# If the number of players on the server is not higher by this time next year **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [August 16, 2023, 9:32am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/if-the-number-of-players-on-the-server-is-not-higher-by-this-time-next-year/416161 "2023-08-16T09:32:28Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 26
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2023, 8:32am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/if-the-number-of-players-on-the-server-is-not-higher-by-this-time-next-year/416161/508 "2023-12-18T08:32:15Z")
It is not a secret, it is pretty evident. Anyway, I wonder if you will still be active when the number of low hanging fruit is so limited. You are not active at the moment, last kill is 7th September. That Stork loss to a Rupture is interesting, you met a real PvP player at a guess. ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2023, 8:38am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/if-the-number-of-players-on-the-server-is-not-higher-by-this-time-next-year/416161/509 "2023-12-18T08:38:43Z")
Dracvlad, I hope that the irony of making fun of my inability to “keep a war HQ up” isn’t lost on you. Doing so makes about as much sense as making fun of _your_ inability to keep your Johnson up. Because whether we’re talking about conducting EVE high-sec wars in 2023, or making passion with your wife, we’re both fully aware and cognizant of the fact that neither can be properly accomplished with just one barely-functional member. So why even bother bringing it up? It just makes you look even _more_ impotent than you already are. ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2023, 8:41am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/if-the-number-of-players-on-the-server-is-not-higher-by-this-time-next-year/416161/510 "2023-12-18T08:41:25Z")
You sound really upset now, but tell me about that Stork loss. From his Rupture losses he obviously had an ancillary armour repper. and knew how to fly that Rupture well with the right skills. Twin webs, scram, medium neut and an AB, he got you good. ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2023, 8:55am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/if-the-number-of-players-on-the-server-is-not-higher-by-this-time-next-year/416161/511 "2023-12-18T08:55:04Z")
Yo, imagine running out of straws so bad, that you have to resort to trying to shame a solo-PvPer with a 99% combat efficiency by making fun of one of their losses, all the while the only kill mails you ever got have CONCORD on them. Like, I can’t even deal with the level of self-cuckoldry I’m observing right now. College never prepared me for _this._ ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2023, 8:57am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/if-the-number-of-players-on-the-server-is-not-higher-by-this-time-next-year/416161/512 "2023-12-18T08:57:24Z")
You met a real PvP player there and lost, he was just better. **He was a lot different to your normal prey, just saying…** ---
**Author:** ![Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/uriel_the_flame/32/490165_2.png) [@Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Uriel_the_Flame)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2023, 8:57am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/if-the-number-of-players-on-the-server-is-not-higher-by-this-time-next-year/416161/513 "2023-12-18T08:57:34Z")
> [@Dracvlad](#): > > You seem to be under a massive misconception that I am crying in some way. Is this the thread where people try to convince each other they are crying and not crying? 🤔 ![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/e/3/9/e39e1d4f34187a19bbaee33b8a3851109f5d75ca.jpeg) Maybe both can be true at the same time. ![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/9/d/5/9d53b9120b7fefff628328e400f777618b59f60a.jpeg) ![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/4/5/c/45c37fbe1077c3eded32f18208938db332a39518.jpeg) 😊 ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2023, 9:00am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/if-the-number-of-players-on-the-server-is-not-higher-by-this-time-next-year/416161/514 "2023-12-18T09:00:28Z")
I thought you were referring to Destiny. In truth, what do you think about this: > [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > a solo-PvPer with a 99% combat efficiency I should re-write that as “a solo PK with a 99% combat efficiency.” As compared to that PvP player who defeated Destiny’s Stork in a Rupture who has 82.6% efficiency, OK, he is a Goon so does fleet and gang combat too, hence his high efficiency. Destiny was caught out by surprise PvP, he was expecting yet another turkey in a turkey shoot, but instead he met a PvP player in a perfect PvP fit who knew what he was doing, so Destiny lost his ship. I will give you another example, the last person to get a kill on me as Dracvlad was Lussy Lou (with two others) in GW, it is not on ZKill by the way, I went in using a Praxis to save a bling fit Trig HAC, it got out, but his tank was masterful in any case. That is the second time I had lost a ship to Lussy Lou, the previous one was in a low sec system next to Querious, he had an alt there. Lussy Lou has a 92.3% efficiency ratio, I would define Lussy Lou as a real PvP’r. though many of his kills are now small gang. Does this help in answering my question? Or is posting memes the height of your posting, live up to the word Veteran in your forum title please… So I repeat, EVe is now a niche PK game. ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2023, 9:02am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/if-the-number-of-players-on-the-server-is-not-higher-by-this-time-next-year/416161/515 "2023-12-18T09:02:52Z")
> [@Dracvlad](#): > > You seem to be under a massive misconception that I am crying in some way. Spending years complaining about a game you haven’t played in years would definitely constitute crying, whining some might say. ---
**Author:** ![Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/uriel_the_flame/32/490165_2.png) [@Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Uriel_the_Flame)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2023, 10:47am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/if-the-number-of-players-on-the-server-is-not-higher-by-this-time-next-year/416161/516 "2023-12-18T10:47:55Z")
> [@Dracvlad](#): > > thought you were referring Nobody in particular, I let everyone decide for themselves if it fits them and do whatever with the fact as they want. In this thread both sides try to convince the other about whether there was crying or not so it was just a general observation without taking into account who is “right” or “wrong” as I find it a funny sight in general. On note of “right and wrong” it is kinda ridiculous how people trying hard to convince the other when they also claim the other’s views don’t matter as they are wrong. I mean at this point (since how many years this is ongoing between the same people? 🤔) that neither side will change their view nor think the other is right so kinda obvious these back and forths are totally fruitless. Though it is kinda funny to me (maybe the ones involved as well I guess) so by no means take this as discouragement. Just shared a funny moment I’ve witnessed that’s all. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2023, 10:51am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/if-the-number-of-players-on-the-server-is-not-higher-by-this-time-next-year/416161/517 "2023-12-18T10:51:36Z")
Epic Uriel salt and tears. 😭 🧂 ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2023, 10:52am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/if-the-number-of-players-on-the-server-is-not-higher-by-this-time-next-year/416161/518 "2023-12-18T10:52:41Z")
I found it funny, if that helps. Still I would have liked to see what your feeling was on Destiny’s claim of being a solo PvP player with a 99% efficiency ratio. Solo PK yes, in my opinion of course. ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2023, 10:52am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/if-the-number-of-players-on-the-server-is-not-higher-by-this-time-next-year/416161/519 "2023-12-18T10:52:44Z")
I cry all the time! I’m totally in tune with my own feelings. I just don’t cry _because_ of other people. ---
**Author:** ![Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/uriel_the_flame/32/490165_2.png) [@Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Uriel_the_Flame)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2023, 10:52am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/if-the-number-of-players-on-the-server-is-not-higher-by-this-time-next-year/416161/520 "2023-12-18T10:52:50Z")
Aiko is just jealous of my `Veteran` status. 🤭 ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2023, 10:53am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/if-the-number-of-players-on-the-server-is-not-higher-by-this-time-next-year/416161/521 "2023-12-18T10:53:09Z")
My one was removed by the ISD. ---
**Author:** ![Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/uriel_the_flame/32/490165_2.png) [@Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Uriel_the_Flame)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2023, 10:56am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/if-the-number-of-players-on-the-server-is-not-higher-by-this-time-next-year/416161/522 "2023-12-18T10:56:42Z")
> [@Dracvlad](#): > > feeling Maybe you meant opinion. Can’t really have a feeling about whether it is true or not at least doesn’t seem like I’m involved with the subject enough to have any. And in general don’t know enough about her nor care to research the subject to make a “judgement” either way. Not really involved with the subject as it is beyond the topic of this thread and is part of an ongoing years old debate between the two sides so I’m just watching the chaos and munching popcorn is all. > [@Dracvlad](#): > > removed by the ISD Oh what did you do to trigger such a reaction? 👀 🤔 🤭 ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2023, 11:00am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/if-the-number-of-players-on-the-server-is-not-higher-by-this-time-next-year/416161/523 "2023-12-18T11:00:31Z")
Maybe I should have not used the word feeling, so let me be more direct, is that really a solo PvP player with a 99% efficiency ratio? It is rather akin to a guard who executes prisoners as a member of a firing squad telling people he was a combat soldier. As for Veteran, it disappeared after I got a short term ban, I was a bit amused because I thought it was funny that they would be as petty as that. ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2023, 11:07am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/if-the-number-of-players-on-the-server-is-not-higher-by-this-time-next-year/416161/524 "2023-12-18T11:07:47Z")
> [@Dracvlad](#): > > It is rather akin to a guard who executes prisoners as a member of a firing squad telling people he was a combat soldier. Well, historically, that was often the case. ---
**Author:** ![Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/uriel_the_flame/32/490165_2.png) [@Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Uriel_the_Flame)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2023, 11:10am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/if-the-number-of-players-on-the-server-is-not-higher-by-this-time-next-year/416161/525 "2023-12-18T11:10:31Z")
> [@Dracvlad](#): > > 99% efficiency Only checked her first four pages of zKillboard which was mostly solo and a loss or two so I guess it’s possible. Am not going to do any more than that to see if it is actually 99% or whatever. 😛 > [@Dracvlad](#): > > member of a firing squad It comes down to the definition of what counts and that is why I mentioned this is an ongoing debate so I find it pointless to participate as you two (and others) try to convince each other since years without results so the usual EVE answer is: `it depends`. 😈 Though as you often go for the `technically correct` argument I gues it can be argued even based on your perspective that any engagement that involves players (or at least one) shooting (each) other is PvP. 😏 > [@Dracvlad](#): > > ban I think it is an automatic system that removes your trusted tier depending on such circumstances so don’t think anyone from CCP / ISD manually removed it. Can’t be 100% sure though. ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2023, 11:12am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/if-the-number-of-players-on-the-server-is-not-higher-by-this-time-next-year/416161/526 "2023-12-18T11:12:51Z")
Fair enough, I was working on precise definition, which was why I used PK instead of PvP. I always wanted to ask the ISD concerned, but alas he is no longer with us, I knew he was a bit disgruntled with me because I took the P out of WH’rs complaining about local in nullsec. ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2023, 11:21am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/if-the-number-of-players-on-the-server-is-not-higher-by-this-time-next-year/416161/527 "2023-12-18T11:21:36Z")
I don’t know why this boomer is so obsessed with my record and skills as an EVE player. Usually someone acting this way does it as a means of provoking the other person into a confrontation, but that’s obviously the furthest thing from his mind since I _offered_ him one and he spent like a _year_ making excuses about it (watch, he will do it again right after this post). He’s like one of those sports fans who stalk a professional player and constantly point out their mistakes and/or give them instructions on how to play. It’s quite creepy and unsettling, to be honest. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/if-the-number-of-players-on-the-server-is-not-higher-by-this-time-next-year/416161.md?page=25) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/if-the-number-of-players-on-the-server-is-not-higher-by-this-time-next-year/416161.md?page=27)