# If the number of players on the server is not higher by this time next year **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [August 16, 2023, 9:32am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/if-the-number-of-players-on-the-server-is-not-higher-by-this-time-next-year/416161 "2023-08-16T09:32:28Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 30
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2023, 5:26pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/if-the-number-of-players-on-the-server-is-not-higher-by-this-time-next-year/416161/589 "2023-12-21T17:26:09Z")
Fake mail is fake, it is easy enough to get past Aiko, the fifteen minutes criminal timer, the removal of unlimited bumping and the fact that I was breaking up my stuff into smaller loads when passing through choke points and using ships there were harder to catch. Another strategy was to stop just before the choke point and move through. But the most important reason I was successful was that Aiko did not even seem to be aware that I was moving my stuff, because Aiko made no attempt to come after me, not once. I must have done about 100 move ops through Uedama during that period, six were with a freighter and four with bowheads. I kind of enjoy doing sneaky stuff like that, but you have to have a lot of free time to do it. Next I should expect a Dracvlad is elite post coming my way for merely explaining this, but if it makes you happy, feel free. ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2023, 5:28pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/if-the-number-of-players-on-the-server-is-not-higher-by-this-time-next-year/416161/590 "2023-12-21T17:28:11Z")
> [@Dracvlad](#): > > I was breaking up my stuff into smaller loads Ah, so the gankers got you? Too scared to try bigger loads? ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2023, 5:29pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/if-the-number-of-players-on-the-server-is-not-higher-by-this-time-next-year/416161/591 "2023-12-21T17:29:22Z")
Whoa, now _that’s_ a good AI! It sounds _exactly_ like Dracvlad! ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2023, 5:29pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/if-the-number-of-players-on-the-server-is-not-higher-by-this-time-next-year/416161/592 "2023-12-21T17:29:38Z")
> [@Dracvlad](#): > > Another strategy was to stop What a brave hero! ---
**Author:** ![Vuhdo\_Rin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/vuhdo_rin/32/378868_2.png) [@Vuhdo\_Rin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Vuhdo_Rin)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2023, 5:44pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/if-the-number-of-players-on-the-server-is-not-higher-by-this-time-next-year/416161/593 "2023-12-21T17:44:54Z")
> [@Dracvlad](#): > > I must have done about 100 move ops through Uedama during that period, six were with a freighter and four with bowheads. I kind of enjoy doing sneaky stuff like that, but you have to have a lot of free time to do it. then i´m sneaky if i move my stuff through uedama without getting ganked ? oO i dont think so … and i dont think so that youre sneaky xD its not that hard to avoid ganks and only fly in a freighter or in a bowhead through uedama doesnt mean you get ganked … freighters and bowheads without any loading are not the primary target ! and as youre a hero because you dont get ganked … wow … youre a superhero by moving through uedama ! _ironie off_ ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2023, 5:52pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/if-the-number-of-players-on-the-server-is-not-higher-by-this-time-next-year/416161/594 "2023-12-21T17:52:43Z")
LOL, assuming that the freighters and bowheads were empty, they were not, they just had cheap bulky stuff in them. > [@Vuhdo\_Rin](#): > > and as youre a hero because you dont get ganked … wow … youre a superhero by moving through uedama I knew it: > [@Dracvlad](#): > > Next I should expect a Dracvlad is elite post coming my way for merely explaining this, but if it makes you happy, feel free. Not a hero, just smart, cold and calculating, and I had a lot of time on my hands. ---
**Author:** ![Vuhdo\_Rin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/vuhdo_rin/32/378868_2.png) [@Vuhdo\_Rin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Vuhdo_Rin)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2023, 5:56pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/if-the-number-of-players-on-the-server-is-not-higher-by-this-time-next-year/416161/595 "2023-12-21T17:56:28Z")
> [@Dracvlad](#): > > LOL, assuming that the freighters and bowheads were empty, they were not, they just had cheap bulky stuff in them. still the same as empty ! nothing of value and you think youre the greatest because you dont move 50b in one single load in a ship through uedama ? oO like i said … > [@Vuhdo\_Rin](#): > > and as youre a hero because you dont get ganked … wow … youre a superhero by moving through uedama ! _ironie off_ > [@Dracvlad](#): > > Not a hero, just smart, i doubt thats true xD i think youre only to scared to move more stuff … ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2023, 6:00pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/if-the-number-of-players-on-the-server-is-not-higher-by-this-time-next-year/416161/596 "2023-12-21T18:00:40Z")
Instead of flapping his gums about what “real PvP” is and isn’t, Dracvlad should start up EVE and actually _show_ us. Yes, that would require actually playing the game, which is something he hasn’t done in any tangible capacity in the last ten years, but maybe it’s time to dust off those gloves and dive back in? ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2023, 6:01pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/if-the-number-of-players-on-the-server-is-not-higher-by-this-time-next-year/416161/597 "2023-12-21T18:01:13Z")
It’s just a Pk game now, and a niche one at that. ---
**Author:** ![Zaera\_Keena](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zaera_keena/32/449938_2.png) [@Zaera\_Keena](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zaera_Keena)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2023, 6:08pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/if-the-number-of-players-on-the-server-is-not-higher-by-this-time-next-year/416161/598 "2023-12-21T18:08:29Z")
Actually according to the Frostpackers, she is the Witch Princess Goddess, also know as the Goddess of the Hunt. ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2023, 9:18pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/if-the-number-of-players-on-the-server-is-not-higher-by-this-time-next-year/416161/599 "2023-12-21T21:18:11Z")
I see the PK’rs and wannabe PK’rs are all a bit toasty, merry Christmas to you all. ---
**Author:** ![Vuhdo\_Rin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/vuhdo_rin/32/378868_2.png) [@Vuhdo\_Rin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Vuhdo_Rin)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2023, 9:21pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/if-the-number-of-players-on-the-server-is-not-higher-by-this-time-next-year/416161/600 "2023-12-21T21:21:52Z")
> [@Dracvlad](#): > > wannabe PK’rs are all a bit toasty, you dont need to blame yourself only because you dont know the difference between a PK game and eve as PvP game 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2023, 9:55pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/if-the-number-of-players-on-the-server-is-not-higher-by-this-time-next-year/416161/601 "2023-12-21T21:55:37Z")
Come on Dracvlad, get back into EVE, make a new corporation, and take us on some of your “real PvP” ops. Don’t you want to prove to everyone how you’re right about all of this? Don’t you want to prove that all the legends you’ve been spreading about yourself being a fearsome and respected warrior are true? There’s never been a better time. ---
**Author:** ![Imminent\_Conclusion](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/imminent_conclusion/32/396965_2.png) [@Imminent\_Conclusion](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Imminent_Conclusion)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2023, 10:09pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/if-the-number-of-players-on-the-server-is-not-higher-by-this-time-next-year/416161/602 "2023-12-21T22:09:17Z")
> [@Dracvlad](#): > > I have only lost an AF to gankers > [@Aiko\_Danuja](#): > > or even > [@Aiko\_Danuja](#): > > Dracvlad… you are just a pleb > [@Zaera\_Keena](#): > > also know as the Goddess of the \_unt. @Dracvlad I think you’re onto something. You’ve certainly struck a nerve. Everyone knows that PK’s seek ONLY the low hanging fruit. The Catalyst CANNOT be used in ANY PvP engagement. ONLY in PK scenerios. It’s a good thing the PK’s can’t reproduce, it’s only a matter of time before they become extinct. ![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/3/7/2/372181b4eb422e54bf49e5b2fb09784649f4638d.gif) ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2023, 8:50am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/if-the-number-of-players-on-the-server-is-not-higher-by-this-time-next-year/416161/603 "2023-12-23T08:50:10Z")
That made me laugh. ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2023, 11:24am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/if-the-number-of-players-on-the-server-is-not-higher-by-this-time-next-year/416161/604 "2023-12-23T11:24:46Z")
That’s good to know. What kind of post will make you log in and play the game? ---
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2023, 1:05pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/if-the-number-of-players-on-the-server-is-not-higher-by-this-time-next-year/416161/605 "2023-12-23T13:05:46Z")
> [@Imminent\_Conclusion](#): > > it’s only a matter of time before they become extinct. It’s comforting to be able to work out from the year end stats on my various chars that more than 50% of Eve players engage in PvP. ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2023, 10:08pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/if-the-number-of-players-on-the-server-is-not-higher-by-this-time-next-year/416161/606 "2023-12-23T22:08:56Z")
> [@Altara\_Zemara](#): > > It’s comforting to be able to work out from the year end stats on my various chars that more than 50% of Eve players engage in PvP. There’s no way that statistic is true. It just goes to show that CCP is [extremely bad at statistics](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-ccp-stopped-me-from-playing-my-game-style/417059/81). Possibly even intentionally, in order to present a certain unrealistic portrayal of their game. If you look at some pics people are posting of their stats, characters that play for about 3 hours are in the 50th percentile. There’s no way that that’s the demarcation point for when the bulk of all characters (not players, _characters_) start aggressively engaging in PvP. When analyzed a zKill snapshot maybe around two years ago, the figure I arrived at was something like 8% of the active _player_ base engages in aggressive PvP in _any_ capacity (most of those on the extreme low end of being part of like 1 total kill or something), and that was assuming 200,000 unique players. What’s likely happening here is that either CCP is cherry-picking characters for their statistics, or are including all PvP activity and not just the “kill” side in their statistics (which would come closer to 50%). ---
**Author:** ![Zaera\_Keena](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zaera_keena/32/449938_2.png) [@Zaera\_Keena](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zaera_Keena)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2023, 11:28pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/if-the-number-of-players-on-the-server-is-not-higher-by-this-time-next-year/416161/607 "2023-12-23T23:28:35Z")
> [@Imminent\_Conclusion](#): > > it’s only a matter of time before they become extinct Where there are vermin , there are pest controllers. ![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/a/0/c/a0cec908bd9a4b135f1474bc8674685af4320fa7.webp) ---
**Author:** ![Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/iceacid_frostpacker/32/505689_2.png) [@Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Iceacid_Frostpacker)\ **Post date:** [December 25, 2023, 2:39am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/if-the-number-of-players-on-the-server-is-not-higher-by-this-time-next-year/416161/608 "2023-12-25T02:39:40Z")
I sort of wish that Autopilot could be set before undocking so I don’t have to manually undock. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/if-the-number-of-players-on-the-server-is-not-higher-by-this-time-next-year/416161.md?page=29) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/if-the-number-of-players-on-the-server-is-not-higher-by-this-time-next-year/416161.md?page=31)