# If the number of players on the server is not higher by this time next year **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [August 16, 2023, 9:32am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/if-the-number-of-players-on-the-server-is-not-higher-by-this-time-next-year/416161 "2023-08-16T09:32:28Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2023, 12:31am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/if-the-number-of-players-on-the-server-is-not-higher-by-this-time-next-year/416161/64 "2023-08-17T00:31:00Z")
> [@Pariah\_Omen](#): > > Its fully within my ability to gank your entire fleet Doubt. ---
**Author:** ![Pariah\_Omen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/pariah_omen/32/379143_2.png) [@Pariah\_Omen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Pariah_Omen)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2023, 12:32am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/if-the-number-of-players-on-the-server-is-not-higher-by-this-time-next-year/416161/65 "2023-08-17T00:32:34Z")
Think what you like but it would be nice if you responded seriously. I think you have no valid replies atm and that why you change the convo to assumptions and dick waving. ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2023, 12:34am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/if-the-number-of-players-on-the-server-is-not-higher-by-this-time-next-year/416161/66 "2023-08-17T00:34:33Z")
I am responding seriously. If ganking freighters is so easy, prove it by ganking freighters. ---
**Author:** ![Pariah\_Omen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/pariah_omen/32/379143_2.png) [@Pariah\_Omen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Pariah_Omen)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2023, 12:36am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/if-the-number-of-players-on-the-server-is-not-higher-by-this-time-next-year/416161/67 "2023-08-17T00:36:37Z")
Thanks for the replies. I miss CODE. ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2023, 12:37am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/if-the-number-of-players-on-the-server-is-not-higher-by-this-time-next-year/416161/68 "2023-08-17T00:37:28Z")
How “boring” could it be to make some quick easy isk? Just take a few minutes to gank a dozen freighters and show everyone how easy it is. It’s easy, right? ---
**Author:** ![Pariah\_Omen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/pariah_omen/32/379143_2.png) [@Pariah\_Omen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Pariah_Omen)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2023, 12:38am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/if-the-number-of-players-on-the-server-is-not-higher-by-this-time-next-year/416161/69 "2023-08-17T00:38:22Z")
You are making assumptions and not willing to have the conversation. Its ok. Lets not go back and forth like children now plz. ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2023, 12:40am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/if-the-number-of-players-on-the-server-is-not-higher-by-this-time-next-year/416161/70 "2023-08-17T00:40:09Z")
I’m merely asking if you have any personal experience to support your claim. I’m certainly not willing to have a conversation in which you continue to spout unevidenced bluster, and refuse to discuss the subject in good faith. Anyone who thinks ganking is easy is welcome to try. Until you’ve done that, it’s pretty obvious you don’t have a clue what you are talking about. ---
**Author:** ![Alice\_Saki](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/alice_saki/32/486142_2.png) [@Alice\_Saki](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Alice_Saki)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2023, 1:07am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/if-the-number-of-players-on-the-server-is-not-higher-by-this-time-next-year/416161/71 "2023-08-17T01:07:16Z")
I shot freighters once with nados, trying to fund our AT squad years ago 😃 It was a pain in the arse xD ---
**Author:** ![Aisha\_Katalen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aisha_katalen/32/387724_2.png) [@Aisha\_Katalen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aisha_Katalen)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2023, 1:20am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/if-the-number-of-players-on-the-server-is-not-higher-by-this-time-next-year/416161/72 "2023-08-17T01:20:10Z")
Didn’t want that gank anyway. ---
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2023, 1:43am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/if-the-number-of-players-on-the-server-is-not-higher-by-this-time-next-year/416161/73 "2023-08-17T01:43:01Z")
> [@Aiko\_Danuja](#): > > Nobody is doing that… Nobody is doing most of what people are riling about here. I don’t recognise what game half these complainers are playing. Is it Eve ? Where do I have to go in Eve to become all whiny and despondent and see the cracks in the sky as it falls down ? And howcome people with hundreds…thousands…of billions of ISK are complaining that something is _wrong_ with the game ? I think a lot of these people are simply way out of touch with the Eve _most_ people play…and whom they claim to speak on behalf of. There’s a huge irony in the people who shout loudest about what needs to be done to help noobs along and retain people are the biggest ‘let them eat cake’ people of the lot who’ve long since lost all remembrance of what it was ever actually like to be a noob. ---
**Author:** ![Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/iceacid_frostpacker/32/505689_2.png) [@Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Iceacid_Frostpacker)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2023, 2:09am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/if-the-number-of-players-on-the-server-is-not-higher-by-this-time-next-year/416161/74 "2023-08-17T02:09:41Z")
How so? Very far from calling out bingo. Perhaps I am the new player to New Eden! ---
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2023, 2:19am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/if-the-number-of-players-on-the-server-is-not-higher-by-this-time-next-year/416161/75 "2023-08-17T02:19:01Z")
> [@Pariah\_Omen](#): > > The dude prob has at least 2b on the line in his cargo and a hull worth 3.5b last one i saw lost. Ive never lost one but I did offer 10 to 20 courier contracts a day. Thats how I get my information. My items are on collateral so it doesnt matter to me either. It matters a lot to the nub who invested all his time and money into a bad line of work. You bring noobs into it…but what sensible noob is flying 2bn in his cargo ? Most noobs in Eve are flying Ventures, frigates, etc. Ventures are essentially free. And if the player can’t be bothered doing the missions again to get one…heck they can set up a Gausian laser fitted one for 350K ISK or so that can pay for itself in a single trip to the asteroid belts. It takes a month just to fully skill up for a Procurer…or get the proper skills and fittings for haulers…and it really isn’t that hard within that time to gain the ISK to pay for it. The slow progress of skills in Eve is precisely what makes week old noobs flying 2bn AFK in appallingly fitted haulers eminently gankable. Eve is a harsh game that _rightly_ treads on those who step ahead of the learning curve. ---
**Author:** ![Anthony\_FatTony\_Amico](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anthony_fattony_amico/32/391106_2.png) [@Anthony\_FatTony\_Amico](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anthony_FatTony_Amico)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2023, 2:33am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/if-the-number-of-players-on-the-server-is-not-higher-by-this-time-next-year/416161/76 "2023-08-17T02:33:58Z")
tbh finding a committed newbie as a corp CEO is like finding gold… That is not an understatement. It’s hard. Look at incursions, most people left. The committed stayed and created alts to multibox HQ sites. We are more alts than real people vs 2020. (COVID-19) ---
**Author:** ![Dreg\_Apc](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dreg_apc/32/381263_2.png) [@Dreg\_Apc](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dreg_Apc)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2023, 7:32am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/if-the-number-of-players-on-the-server-is-not-higher-by-this-time-next-year/416161/77 "2023-08-17T07:32:18Z")
> [@Aisha\_Katalen](#): > > the issue is loss on death where “progress is interrupted” if you lose You are wrong. The developers does not seem comitted to the game, or they just dont know what they are doing. It drives people away. And you can decide how much risk you want to take in EVE. Thats actually the beauty. Its not strictly permadeath and its not strictly no pvp, its not black and white like most other games. So the issue isnt the potential loss aspect, the issue is a lack of commitment and quality content from devs which isnt supposed to happen because of the CSM Also who is going to bother progressing in a game where you cant lose. Your theory makes 0 sense. ---
**Author:** ![Io\_Koval](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/io_koval/32/282426_2.png) [@Io\_Koval](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Io_Koval)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2023, 7:36am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/if-the-number-of-players-on-the-server-is-not-higher-by-this-time-next-year/416161/78 "2023-08-17T07:36:30Z")
> [@Pariah\_Omen](#): > > I find the game play boring. No offense. Yes i think its easy. You sound ridiculous. This is Eve. If Ganking were actually „easy money“ like people think it is, ganking would be everywhere, _boringness be damned_. You already see this everywhere with Homefront sites (boring, easy ISK), 5-man FW Plex Farming (boring, easy ISK), 1 man FW Plex Farming (boring, easy ISK), Ishtar anomaly ratting (boring, easy ISK). It doesn’t have to be _you_ doing it to see the _multiple groups_ doing it. If not _you_ then _who_ are the multitude in Eve lining up multiple operations to gank for the easy ISK? The answer is no one because it isn’t actually easy money. ---
**Author:** ![Dreg\_Apc](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dreg_apc/32/381263_2.png) [@Dreg\_Apc](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dreg_Apc)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2023, 7:48am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/if-the-number-of-players-on-the-server-is-not-higher-by-this-time-next-year/416161/79 "2023-08-17T07:48:05Z")
Quick thought, Super Mario Bros for the NES was a hardcore game. You only had a few lives/attempts, and you had to start over if you lost them. Few people made it to the end, but everyone played it. Im not sure why people stopped playing it. Maybe many people still do. But what about the arcade machines? You had to put in money and you got 3 lives or something and had to put in money and start over if you lost them. Yet arcades were extremely popular. So It seems wrong to paint a picture of gamers as not wanting to spend money and not interested in a challenge and what not. ---
**Author:** ![Io\_Koval](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/io_koval/32/282426_2.png) [@Io\_Koval](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Io_Koval)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2023, 7:53am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/if-the-number-of-players-on-the-server-is-not-higher-by-this-time-next-year/416161/80 "2023-08-17T07:53:01Z")
Which one of the concrete examples I gave is a myth. Edit to add: If you actually care to read what I said, I didn’t say „all Eve players are lazy“ and not even „a lot of Eve players are lazy“. I don’t care how many or few there are. They do exist though. There are _some number_ of lazy players looking for easy money. They exist. I used them in my example. If that bothers you so much that you have to misinterpret what I say and write a giant philosophical treatise over it, all I can really say is get a grip on the reality of the game, dude. ---
**Author:** ![Wadiest\_Yong](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wadiest_yong/32/426921_2.png) [@Wadiest\_Yong](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Wadiest_Yong)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2023, 8:30am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/if-the-number-of-players-on-the-server-is-not-higher-by-this-time-next-year/416161/81 "2023-08-17T08:30:37Z")
> [@Pariah\_Omen](#): > > 10-12b hull? Its just a t1 freighter. Okay, a 3-4B unfitted hull (my bad, got distracted by your lancers comment and was thinking jumpfreighters) transporting 2B piloted by a high grade clone. What makes him so privileged to be exempt from legitimate attacks that even require some serious player skills ? That he’s rich enough to blunder around in his big ship with a head full of expensive implants, so gloriously oblivious to any kind of danger on his trajectory, so over-confident that he doesn’t even use a single scout to warn him of a bunch of locals with highly suspect killboards involving torps and bombs, if not a notorious outfit known from bombing or cloaky gate camping ? A guy who obviously doesn’t respect the work and isk going into that ship he’s flying ? I’m not saying yes. I’m Shouting “Yes”. I’m jumping in my seat at the very thought, LOL. A reward for the countless and fruitless gate camps at last, a “person of low-insight”, and in a freighter !! The only thing that is better is a “person of low-insight” in a cap jumping to MY beacon, lol. > [@Pariah\_Omen](#): > > a guy mulitiboxing free accounts it takes omega to 1) have more than 1 ship online and 2) fly a stealth bomber… ---
**Author:** ![Erik\_Doshu](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/erik_doshu/32/369845_2.png) [@Erik\_Doshu](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Erik_Doshu)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2023, 8:51am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/if-the-number-of-players-on-the-server-is-not-higher-by-this-time-next-year/416161/82 "2023-08-17T08:51:13Z")
> [@Tipa\_Riot](#): > > No, because EvE attracts a certain demography of players with a certain mindset, only. This demography in societies was already small from the beginning, but got smaller in recent years. The mindset I mean can best be described as being affin to all-out competition with minimal handholding and rules. People have kids and lives change. ---
**Author:** ![Erik\_Doshu](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/erik_doshu/32/369845_2.png) [@Erik\_Doshu](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Erik_Doshu)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2023, 8:52am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/if-the-number-of-players-on-the-server-is-not-higher-by-this-time-next-year/416161/83 "2023-08-17T08:52:12Z")
> [@Dreg\_Apc](#): > > Source? Life itself. Also 20 years. People have kids and lives change. Deal with it. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/if-the-number-of-players-on-the-server-is-not-higher-by-this-time-next-year/416161.md?page=3) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/if-the-number-of-players-on-the-server-is-not-higher-by-this-time-next-year/416161.md?page=5)