# \[IKAME\] Semiki investigative work **URL:** \ **Category:** Intergalactic Summit\ **Created:** [January 18, 2019, 9:25pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ikame-semiki-investigative-work/134331 "2019-01-18T21:25:54Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 12
**Author:** ![Trii\_Seo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/trii_seo/32/498139_2.png) [@Trii\_Seo](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Trii_Seo)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2019, 10:14am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ikame-semiki-investigative-work/134331/225 "2019-02-15T10:14:10Z")
This is a sad point of view. After what was done to aid the four. After Kyonoke, after the Drifter incursions. Still to be treated like a dog on a chain. ---
**Author:** ![Samira\_Kernher](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/samira_kernher/32/244840_2.png) [@Samira\_Kernher](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Samira_Kernher)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2019, 10:18am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ikame-semiki-investigative-work/134331/226 "2019-02-15T10:18:32Z")
You can’t expect anything more from capsuleers. We’re spoiled brats who think we’re owed the world, throwing temper tantrums whenever an authority figure tells us something we don’t want to hear. > [@Trii\_Seo](#): > > Still to be treated like a dog on a chain. If only capsuleers actually were treated like that. ---
**Author:** ![Annisir\_Kaugan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/annisir_kaugan/32/388372_2.png) [@Annisir\_Kaugan](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Annisir_Kaugan)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2019, 10:18am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ikame-semiki-investigative-work/134331/227 "2019-02-15T10:18:42Z")
Looking back, it could well be that CONCORD, via SARO, instigated the original Drifter Incursions through their actions. If so, then what we are seeing is an attempt by Drust to compound the cover up. ---
**Author:** ![Trii\_Seo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/trii_seo/32/498139_2.png) [@Trii\_Seo](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Trii_Seo)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2019, 10:25am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ikame-semiki-investigative-work/134331/228 "2019-02-15T10:25:55Z")
It’s not uncommon for us having to take out their trash. Wouldn’t be the first time around now, would it. ---
**Author:** ![Annisir\_Kaugan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/annisir_kaugan/32/388372_2.png) [@Annisir\_Kaugan](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Annisir_Kaugan)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2019, 10:28am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ikame-semiki-investigative-work/134331/229 "2019-02-15T10:28:42Z")
Absolutely not. They lost a pile of ships trying to respond, after we had taken out a huge amount of Drifters. When they did provide an adequate response force we were still coping with the onslaught. ---
**Author:** ![Aradina\_Varren](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aradina_varren/32/398702_2.png) [@Aradina\_Varren](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aradina_Varren)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2019, 10:37am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ikame-semiki-investigative-work/134331/230 "2019-02-15T10:37:38Z")
Drust has on two confirmed occasions killed multiple Drifters and Lancers in Semiki, or rather he’s been seen with wrecks belonging to him, he’s yet to have been seen fighting them. Last night he was on grid with 10 Lancer wrecks and 5 Drifter Battleship wrecks, his only support was 4 Ishukone Watch Ravens. For the uninitiated, a Marshal and 4 Ravens can’t fight off 5 Drifters and 10 Lancers. So clearly they have something very effective to use against the Drifters, they simply chose not to when the Drifters were hitting the citadel of people who had questioned their authority and refused to give into their demands, instead preferring to pointlessly throw multiple ships at the Drifters knowing this would cost the crews their lives. Boy, I wonder why. ---
**Author:** ![Auriga\_Menkalinan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/auriga_menkalinan/32/351666_2.png) [@Auriga\_Menkalinan](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Auriga_Menkalinan)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2019, 10:38am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ikame-semiki-investigative-work/134331/231 "2019-02-15T10:38:19Z")
None of that means Concord are not trying to help. Suggesting they are the cause of drifter incursions when capsuleers have been raiding drifter space for years is just odd. ---
**Author:** ![Trii\_Seo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/trii_seo/32/498139_2.png) [@Trii\_Seo](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Trii_Seo)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2019, 10:39am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ikame-semiki-investigative-work/134331/232 "2019-02-15T10:39:35Z")
The problem runs much deeper than just raids. ---
**Author:** ![Teinyhr](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/teinyhr/32/374406_2.png) [@Teinyhr](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Teinyhr)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2019, 10:40am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ikame-semiki-investigative-work/134331/233 "2019-02-15T10:40:01Z")
> [@Auriga\_Menkalinan](#): > > Suggesting they are the cause of drifter incursions when capsuleers have been raiding drifter space for years is just odd. Ssh! They don’t like people bringing that up. ---
**Author:** ![Teinyhr](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/teinyhr/32/374406_2.png) [@Teinyhr](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Teinyhr)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2019, 10:42am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ikame-semiki-investigative-work/134331/234 "2019-02-15T10:42:27Z")
> [@Mahazkei\_Vas\_Hiigara](#): > > and will provide you with the fitting doctrines, but be warned, it is not a light price to pay to stand toe to toe with them. Confirmed, I have received your instruction booklet and will study it. I don’t intend to fight them, but if I have to, I will, and aim to come prepared. ---
**Author:** ![Trii\_Seo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/trii_seo/32/498139_2.png) [@Trii\_Seo](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Trii_Seo)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2019, 10:44am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ikame-semiki-investigative-work/134331/235 "2019-02-15T10:44:24Z")
Because prior to hives there were seekers, observatories, carthum, entosis. This crisis runs a bit deeper than it may seem. ---
**Author:** ![Samira\_Kernher](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/samira_kernher/32/244840_2.png) [@Samira\_Kernher](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Samira_Kernher)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2019, 10:51am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ikame-semiki-investigative-work/134331/236 "2019-02-15T10:51:10Z")
And prior to those were the looting of sleeper complexes in wormhole space. While this is actually an area I _won’t_ blame capsuleers for – exploration of ruins belonging to what was thought to be a long-dead civilization is not something I’d hold against people – capsuleers _are_ a major instigator in the current state of affairs. ---
**Author:** ![Trii\_Seo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/trii_seo/32/498139_2.png) [@Trii\_Seo](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Trii_Seo)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2019, 10:52am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ikame-semiki-investigative-work/134331/237 "2019-02-15T10:52:52Z")
This is a tad too much credit and it shows. We are a side target at best. We did not magically bring upon the empires the Vigilant Tyrannos. They did it themselves. Jamyl included. ---
**Author:** ![Teinyhr](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/teinyhr/32/374406_2.png) [@Teinyhr](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Teinyhr)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2019, 11:02am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ikame-semiki-investigative-work/134331/238 "2019-02-15T11:02:40Z")
> [@Aradina\_Varren](#): > > instead preferring to pointlessly throw multiple ships at the Drifters knowing this would cost the crews their lives. This is quite an assumption, are you sure they’re not using the skeleton crew approach you do? And given CONCORDs resources the crew is most likely backed up with softclones. ---
**Author:** ![Aradina\_Varren](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aradina_varren/32/398702_2.png) [@Aradina\_Varren](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aradina_Varren)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2019, 11:06am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ikame-semiki-investigative-work/134331/239 "2019-02-15T11:06:42Z")
They threw battleships at them. Hard to have a skeleton crew. Even if they were backed up though, it’s still an intentional and pointless waste of resources. ---
**Author:** ![Teinyhr](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/teinyhr/32/374406_2.png) [@Teinyhr](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Teinyhr)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2019, 11:10am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ikame-semiki-investigative-work/134331/240 "2019-02-15T11:10:22Z")
> [@Aradina\_Varren](#): > > They threw battleships at them. Hard to have a skeleton crew. Skeleton crew means minimal operational status. Nothing hard about that. > [@Aradina\_Varren](#): > > Even if they were backed up though, it’s still an intentional and pointless waste of resources. Not arguing otherwise. ---
**Author:** ![Aradina\_Varren](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aradina_varren/32/398702_2.png) [@Aradina\_Varren](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aradina_Varren)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2019, 11:12am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ikame-semiki-investigative-work/134331/241 "2019-02-15T11:12:07Z")
A skeleton crew for a battleship is still a lot of people. ---
**Author:** ![Annisir\_Kaugan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/annisir_kaugan/32/388372_2.png) [@Annisir\_Kaugan](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Annisir_Kaugan)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2019, 11:12am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ikame-semiki-investigative-work/134331/242 "2019-02-15T11:12:50Z")
A lot of the Sleeper complexes had already been broken into. Those they had not been were in a poor state. Its difficult to be sure what condition the Sleeper civilization is actually in. Could be that we are simply seeing isolated installations. The Jove are conspicuous by their absence, and I don’t believe they raised any objections. Regardless of how benign the Sleepers could have been potentially, the Drifters are something else entirely. They appear to be an offshoot but have always been hostile, perhaps not aggressively so, but hostile nonetheless. Certainly their actions in the Abyss leave no question as to their capacity for violent action. Against the Triglavians, who while justifiably defending their territory do seem to be making tentative steps towards some sort of communication with us. ---
**Author:** ![Samira\_Kernher](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/samira_kernher/32/244840_2.png) [@Samira\_Kernher](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Samira_Kernher)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2019, 11:23am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ikame-semiki-investigative-work/134331/243 "2019-02-15T11:23:12Z")
> [@Annisir\_Kaugan](#): > > The Jove are conspicuous by their absence, and I don’t believe they raised any objections. Absent? The drifters are Jove. ---
**Author:** ![Teinyhr](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/teinyhr/32/374406_2.png) [@Teinyhr](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Teinyhr)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2019, 11:23am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ikame-semiki-investigative-work/134331/244 "2019-02-15T11:23:26Z")
> [@Trii\_Seo](#): > > This is a tad too much credit and it shows. We are a side target at best. We did not magically bring upon the empires the Vigilant Tyrannos. Well, there’s just the problem that they don’t seem all that interested in the empires, indeed they’ve only shown heightened interest in the Amarr Empire - and that was years ago. How much of that recent disinterest is to the Triglavian’s credit is of course fertile ground for theories. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ikame-semiki-investigative-work/134331.md?page=11) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ikame-semiki-investigative-work/134331.md?page=13)