# \[IKAME\] Semiki investigative work **URL:** \ **Category:** Intergalactic Summit\ **Created:** [January 18, 2019, 9:25pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ikame-semiki-investigative-work/134331 "2019-01-18T21:25:54Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![Aria\_Jenneth](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aria_jenneth/32/469792_2.png) [@Aria\_Jenneth](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aria_Jenneth)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2019, 5:22pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ikame-semiki-investigative-work/134331/125 "2019-01-30T17:22:20Z")
Oh, I fully expect CONCORD or someone closely associated to murder basically all of us once we outlive our usefulness, me included. I just kind of accept that. I’d even say it’s something I trust will happen eventually. It doesn’t feel to me like beings that kill so easily have a right to complain about being killed. In the meantime I have a part to play, and I’m happy to play it. (In other words, I of course don’t trust CONCORD to have my best interests at heart. Why would they? … that doesn’t mean I should try to fight them, though.) ---
**Author:** ![Chan\_aar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/chan_aar/32/377560_2.png) [@Chan\_aar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Chan_aar)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2019, 5:41pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ikame-semiki-investigative-work/134331/126 "2019-01-30T17:41:55Z")
So now that Mr Angry Concord Guy has told us that twenty thousand of these things in one place is dangerous, how many of us are building a pile … ---
**Author:** ![Valerie\_Valate](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/valerie_valate/32/386231_2.png) [@Valerie\_Valate](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Valerie_Valate)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2019, 5:56pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ikame-semiki-investigative-work/134331/127 "2019-01-30T17:56:15Z")
> [@Verzak\_Bastrom](#): > > the trinary stuff coalesces into a 7 headed monster and eats us all A frankly ridiculous notion. It would coalesce into a 3 or 9 headed monster. “7”. The very idea is preposterous ! ---
**Author:** ![Galm\_Eskola-Fae](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/galm_eskola-fae/32/511580_2.png) [@Galm\_Eskola-Fae](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Galm_Eskola-Fae)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2019, 5:57pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ikame-semiki-investigative-work/134331/128 "2019-01-30T17:57:00Z")
Normally I’d be inclined to agree. Cases of deception and lack of transparency are nothing new for CONCORD. Notably, they still have failed to deliver their report on Case Green Magic to the public despite the ever present danger it supposedly poses to the cluster. But the tone of apparent urgency presented, combined with the fact that the issue here seems to be the sure concentrated volume of trinary relics rather than possession of individual relics themselves, speaks to this being less about CONCORD manipulation and more genuine shock and a scramble to correct before something goes array. Yes, CONCORD has often hidden knowledge from the public. But likewise, this means CONCORD is aware of certain dangers and threats that the public is not privy to. Yes, their ultimatum is unhelpfully vague and imposing rather than giving anyone a reason to understand their urgency. But if anyone knew of some eldritch existential threat posed by these relics it’d be them. As previously mentioned by other’s there’s already really only one option here, and on even just the chance that there is a significant emergent threat on the horizon isn’t it better that we assume CONCORD to be telling the truth rather than unleashing some danger we barely understand for the sake of your own pride? At the very least, attempt to find a compromise where some of the relics are forwarded for research while the bulk of the stockpile is turned over to the DED to prevent whatever calamity they think they’re heralding. ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2019, 6:17pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ikame-semiki-investigative-work/134331/129 "2019-01-30T18:17:05Z")
> [@Galm\_Eskola-Fae](#): > > But the tone of apparent urgency presented, combined with the fact that the issue here seems to be the sure concentrated volume of trinary relics rather than possession of individual relics themselves, speaks to this being less about CONCORD manipulation and more genuine shock and a scramble to correct before something goes array. No it doesn’t. It speaks to CONCORD being embarrassed as hell to suddenly realize that when ARC said _months_ ago that they were collecting and stockpiling these things for their own research, that meant a capsuleer organization that has literally spent _years_ amassing a huge supply of Drifter elements was, you know, _actually collecting and stockpiling these things_. And now CONCORD’s been caught flat-footed and has to come up with some ‘OH NOEZ! THAT MANY IN ONE PLACE IS DANGEROUS!!!’ nonsense. @Makoto_Priano - how _long_ have these things all been in one place? Is this a new thing that hasn’t been perfectly stable for a while now? And if it _is_ a new thing… why not just _break it up again_? If this many trinaries being in the same place is a _legit_ threat, Mr. Eskola-Fae, why hasn’t CONCORD just said ‘or just don’t store them all together. Get them into chunks of no more than X in the same station/system’? Seems that’d fix the ‘threat’ _much_ quicker, and without CONCORD having to steal peoples’ legitimately-obtained property. ---
**Author:** ![Galm\_Eskola-Fae](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/galm_eskola-fae/32/511580_2.png) [@Galm\_Eskola-Fae](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Galm_Eskola-Fae)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2019, 6:28pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ikame-semiki-investigative-work/134331/130 "2019-01-30T18:28:52Z")
> [@Arrendis](#): > > No it doesn’t. It speaks to CONCORD being embarrassed as hell to suddenly realize that when ARC said _months_ ago that they were collecting and stockpiling these things for their own research, that meant a capsuleer organization that has literally spent _years_ amassing a huge supply of Drifter elements was, you know, _actually collecting and stockpiling these things_ . Yeah, weird that bit right? It’s almost as if _we’ve known literally nothing about these artifacts since they emerged and any discoveries about the danger they pose would have had to have been discovered fairly recently._ Or almost like CONCORD wasn’t keeping tabs on people’s individual inventories or anticipated that an organisation would gather enough to be able to dump _20,000 frakking glowing orbs at the drop of a hat_ and that they are probably holding onto many, many more. CONCORD’s incompetence on this doesn’t change the fact that evidently this amount of relics in private hands is a threat to New Eden. Especially when held by an organisation that has been frequently criticized as collaborating with pirate entities. Or the fact that ignoring this threat is childish and irresponsible. ---
**Author:** ![Teinyhr](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/teinyhr/32/374406_2.png) [@Teinyhr](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Teinyhr)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2019, 7:14pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ikame-semiki-investigative-work/134331/131 "2019-01-30T19:14:37Z")
> [@Galm\_Eskola-Fae](#): > > evidently this amount of relics in private hands is a threat to New Eden. Evidently usually implies there is evidence. Which CONCORD has not given. * * * Whole thing sounds totally bogus. If CONCORD has anything to back up its claims that the frakking glowing orbs are dangerous, I’d be glad to hear those. Now, I don’t like ARC as much as the next guy, but if someone told me to cough up my lunch money because holding onto them is dangerous, I’d fight back. After laughing in their face first of course. ---
**Author:** ![Diana\_Kim](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/diana_kim/32/382972_2.png) [@Diana\_Kim](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Diana_Kim)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2019, 7:33pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ikame-semiki-investigative-work/134331/132 "2019-01-30T19:33:03Z")
There are different hands. Some are worse than others. I am glad that CONCORD reacted. ---
**Author:** ![Makoto\_Priano](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/makoto_priano/32/383919_2.png) [@Makoto\_Priano](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Makoto_Priano)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2019, 8:27pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ikame-semiki-investigative-work/134331/133 "2019-01-30T20:27:14Z")
Thank you, pilots, for your many and varied viewpoints on this matter. Please understand that at this time ARC is choosing to utilize the grace period to reach out to appropriate authorities on a variety of matters relating to the Semiki crisis, and to explore our options moving forward. At this time, ARC does not have a formal statement to issue on the matter, as work is on-going. However, I would like to note that our primary interest remains complying with all appropriate authorities as we assist in the Semiki crisis, which in this case involves maximizing research work at our Semiki facilities without risking containment failures. A more in-depth treatment of the matter will be released in coming days. ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2019, 8:35pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ikame-semiki-investigative-work/134331/134 "2019-01-30T20:35:13Z")
> [@Galm\_Eskola-Fae](#): > > CONCORD’s incompetence on this doesn’t change the fact that evidently this amount of relics in private hands is a threat to New Eden. ‘Evidently’ by what _evid_-oh, dammit, @Teinyhr 🙂 Seriously though, no. There’s about as much ‘evidence’ that the only threat these things present is to _CONCORD_. You want to establish that there’s ‘evidently’ a threat, _get some evidence_. ---
**Author:** ![Echerie\_Saissore](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/echerie_saissore/32/505998_2.png) [@Echerie\_Saissore](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Echerie_Saissore)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2019, 11:20pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ikame-semiki-investigative-work/134331/135 "2019-01-30T23:20:19Z")
Other interested parties have stockpiles of datastreams as well. I, for one, will continue my own research. ---
**Author:** ![Veikitamo\_Gesakaarin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/veikitamo_gesakaarin/32/314638_2.png) [@Veikitamo\_Gesakaarin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Veikitamo_Gesakaarin)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2019, 12:21am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ikame-semiki-investigative-work/134331/136 "2019-01-31T00:21:58Z")
One of these days we will all be found in violation of CONCORD Special Directive Case Ochre Aleph. The full details of which are sealed by order of Case Cerulean Tau, which is part of the sub-directive, Case Burnt Syenna Sigma. ---
**Author:** ![Jason\_Galente](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jason_galente/32/383984_2.png) [@Jason\_Galente](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jason_Galente)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2019, 2:09am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ikame-semiki-investigative-work/134331/137 "2019-01-31T02:09:03Z")
No, it’s not the only option. They outright demanded the surrender of assets of significant value. They implied the danger was in the concentration of them, and instead of saying “Separate them into many separate caches”, they said “Gimme.” I don’t trust that and I never will. They want capsuleers to do their dirty work for them and then surrender the fruits of that labor at command. **How about no.** ---
**Author:** ![Galm\_Eskola-Fae](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/galm_eskola-fae/32/511580_2.png) [@Galm\_Eskola-Fae](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Galm_Eskola-Fae)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2019, 2:52am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ikame-semiki-investigative-work/134331/138 "2019-01-31T02:52:53Z")
Good luck with that. ---
**Author:** ![Nauplius](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nauplius/32/403015_2.png) [@Nauplius](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nauplius)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2019, 4:32am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ikame-semiki-investigative-work/134331/139 "2019-01-31T04:32:04Z")
> [@Aldrith\_Shutaq](#): > > No, please die. It is sad to see Lady Aspenstar “liking” a post requesting me to die. Since when should a suggestion that artifacts be delivered to a legitimate Khanid Kingdom official (instead of CONCORD!) be worthy of death? Truly, this is a wicked and vile generation. ---
**Author:** ![Trii\_Seo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/trii_seo/32/498139_2.png) [@Trii\_Seo](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Trii_Seo)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2019, 12:08pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ikame-semiki-investigative-work/134331/140 "2019-01-31T12:08:35Z")
Ah, Oveg and a CONCORD intervention. I wondered how long until the lot shows up. I feel the need to be brutally honest, as with the average attention span of a capsuleer these days some people might have forgotten the larger scope of this entire case. The Arataka Research Consortium is far from a bunch of dim-witted idiots with stones to bash a relic open and sticks to prod what falls out. They are, quite frankly, a professional group to the point of having things like standards, things like peer review. Even bloody uniforms. They have worked with Triglavian relics ever since their recovery. Stored large quantities of them, examined them, ran simulations on them. To think, in any way, that no safeguards were ever developed, that there are no contingencies planned is to display a level of short-sightedness that can only be attributed to a panic knee-jerk reaction. While the behavior is understandable given the nature of many capsuleers, shelving everyone under the same label speaks a lot about CONCORD and their prejudices. Similarily do attempts to intervene by force rather than reinforce and offer backup. I ask you - how are we, the capsuleers - those first to raise our weapons at the sign of others trying to impose their will upon us, to react? If a man who is equal to us, one of us, does so he is met with the spooling of chainguns. So, what should we do now that an outsider who makes himself superior makes demands to ne of us? ---
**Author:** ![Jaret\_Victorian](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jaret_victorian/32/42951_2.png) [@Jaret\_Victorian](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jaret_Victorian)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2019, 1:20pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ikame-semiki-investigative-work/134331/141 "2019-01-31T13:20:00Z")
Splendid, Captain Drust’s statement already gives us an exceptional amount of CRG related information by its mere existence. Cpt. Drust, surely you understand that it is not our intent to worsen the situation, or cause an incident involving the entities “A” and/or “B” at the given moment, although I recall my colleagues having an exceptional history with taking care of containment challenges of the sort. Still, I am sure, given the circumstances in Semiki, and officer Kauntora Itkaku of the Ishukone Watch specifically requesting rogue drone nexus chips, artificial intelligences, and materials, as well as trinary datastreams for the purposes of resolving the malware situation and securing the wellbeing of State citizens (and anyone else caught in the crisis), such orders (and by a CONCORD official no less) put quite a handful of lives at risk. Therefore, before we proceed in any direction, it would be prudent for the current situation and probable future encounters to share the specification on the stable-and-safe amount of the samples and guarantees that the stockpile is indeed headed for safekeeping to be used in resolving the Semiki situation. ---
**Author:** ![Krzysztof\_Niwinski](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/krzysztof_niwinski/32/138771_2.png) [@Krzysztof\_Niwinski](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Krzysztof_Niwinski)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2019, 5:10pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ikame-semiki-investigative-work/134331/142 "2019-01-31T17:10:25Z")
Triglavian sends message to pilots of New Eden: “You can’t have more fear ■■■■ in your spacesuits than you have already had. Stop talking. Move forward” ---
**Author:** ![Akrasjel\_Lanate](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/akrasjel_lanate/32/389758_2.png) [@Akrasjel\_Lanate](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Akrasjel_Lanate)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2019, 11:03am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ikame-semiki-investigative-work/134331/143 "2019-02-02T11:03:01Z")
One day left till the end of the ultimatum deadline. ---
**Author:** ![DutchGunner](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dutchgunner/32/378183_2.png) [@DutchGunner](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/DutchGunner)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2019, 12:13am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ikame-semiki-investigative-work/134331/144 "2019-02-03T00:13:13Z")
In order of transparency, I have a small update. The last few days I have been hard at work at collecting as many Triglavian Datastreams as possible. I am happy to report that I will deliver these on sunday to replace the ones that have been seized. I am once again offering to transport the seized batch completely, or part of it, to Mastakomon XI - Moon 2 - DED Assembly Plant after delivering the newly collected samples. I will carry several secured containers in order to keep the Datastreams as seperated as possible. Both for delivering the new samples and, if my offer is accepted, I would be transporting the seized samples this way. The replacement samples consists of: 187x Triglavian Trinary Datastream AEA1 172x Triglavian Trinary Datastream AEA2 157x Triglavian Trinary Datastream AEA3 165x Triglavian Trinary Datastream AFN1 162x Triglavian Trinary Datastream AFN2 164x Triglavian Trinary Datastream AFN3 168x Triglavian Trinary Datastream DAV1 181x Triglavian Trinary Datastream DAV2 180x Triglavian Trinary Datastream DAV3 170x Triglavian Trinary Datastream HFN1 187x Triglavian Trinary Datastream HFN2 181x Triglavian Trinary Datastream HFN3 Delivery will once again be at the Aliastra Liason Center in Semiki. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ikame-semiki-investigative-work/134331.md?page=6) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ikame-semiki-investigative-work/134331.md?page=8)