# I'm a Space Hobo **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [August 26, 2022, 8:56am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/im-a-space-hobo/374881 "2022-08-26T08:56:12Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Kahna\_Sung](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kahna_sung/32/332492_2.png) [@Kahna\_Sung](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kahna_Sung)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2022, 3:31pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/im-a-space-hobo/374881/90 "2022-08-26T15:31:51Z")
> [@Bernie\_Nator](#): > > Given the number of skills in game, that sounds like an insane grind There is “grind” and there is “play”. I think we can all agree on the differences. If you consider playing the game “grind” then don’t play at all. Getting skill by doing is better and makes more sense than buying them. ---
**Author:** ![Bernie\_Nator](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/bernie_nator/32/390552_2.png) [@Bernie\_Nator](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Bernie_Nator)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2022, 3:34pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/im-a-space-hobo/374881/91 "2022-08-26T15:34:44Z")
That is not what I said. To me, your proposal sounds like a grind, as opposed to spensing a small amount of isk to just buy the skill. ---
**Author:** ![Kahna\_Sung](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kahna_sung/32/332492_2.png) [@Kahna\_Sung](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kahna_Sung)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2022, 3:41pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/im-a-space-hobo/374881/92 "2022-08-26T15:41:23Z")
> [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > At no point did I say you found anything difficult “Solve your own difficulties” to me means that I find things difficult and need to find ways to solve those difficulties. Unless we’re not talking the same language. > [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > Not doing an easy thing means you are lazy, remember? Cutting down a tree with a chainsaw is easy yet if I don’t do it I’m lazy? Lots of things are easy to do, does that mean I’m supposed to do them otherwise I’m lazy? > [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > Though I suppose that DOES mean you find the minimum effort difficult I don’t find the minimum effort difficult, unless you’re suggesting I’m a total moron - which wouldn’t surprise me coming from you. What is so difficult to understand that gaining skills by doing is much more immersive and smart than buying skills in the Skill Store? ---
**Author:** ![Kahna\_Sung](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kahna_sung/32/332492_2.png) [@Kahna\_Sung](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kahna_Sung)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2022, 3:47pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/im-a-space-hobo/374881/93 "2022-08-26T15:47:34Z")
> [@Bernie\_Nator](#): > > To me, your proposal sounds like a grind It may _sound_ like a grind but isn’t. Playing the game doesn’t necessarily mean grinding. > [@Bernie\_Nator](#): > > as opposed to spensing a small amount of isk A small amount of isk is like 100isk or a 1000isk, not a million! Some of those skills cost millions! That’s ridiculous! I’m only a Capsuleer, I’m not Elon Musk! ---
**Author:** ![Bernie\_Nator](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/bernie_nator/32/390552_2.png) [@Bernie\_Nator](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Bernie_Nator)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2022, 3:48pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/im-a-space-hobo/374881/94 "2022-08-26T15:48:47Z")
You can earn a million isk in a very small amount of time. Do some basic research on how to make isk. ---
**Author:** ![Maxine\_Macks](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/maxine_macks/32/330024_2.png) [@Maxine\_Macks](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Maxine_Macks)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2022, 3:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/im-a-space-hobo/374881/95 "2022-08-26T15:50:13Z")
> [@Kahna\_Sung](#): > > I’m only a Capsuleer, I’m not Elon Musk! 🤣 Well, you do have a spaceship 😅 ---
**Author:** ![Kahna\_Sung](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kahna_sung/32/332492_2.png) [@Kahna\_Sung](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kahna_Sung)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2022, 3:51pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/im-a-space-hobo/374881/96 "2022-08-26T15:51:09Z")
> [@Bernie\_Nator](#): > > You can earn a million isk in a very small amount of time. Do some basic research on how to make isk So this game is _all about_ making isk. How boring! ---
**Author:** ![Maxine\_Macks](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/maxine_macks/32/330024_2.png) [@Maxine\_Macks](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Maxine_Macks)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2022, 3:53pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/im-a-space-hobo/374881/97 "2022-08-26T15:53:23Z")
> [@Kahna\_Sung](#): > > So this game is _all about_ making isk This game is about spending your time and/or money just to be able to fly a pixelated ship. I think you’ll like Elite Dangerous/Odyssey more than this one. ---
**Author:** ![Gerard\_Amatin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gerard_amatin/32/481361_2.png) [@Gerard\_Amatin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gerard_Amatin)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2022, 3:54pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/im-a-space-hobo/374881/98 "2022-08-26T15:54:49Z")
Is even getting the couple of thousand ISK for newbie skills too challenging for new players? What is happening to EVE… 🙄 Do career agent missions, mine some ore or explore a few sites to make the ISK, it’s not much at all and gives you something easy to strive for as newbie. Or join a newbie-friendly corporation that gives you the skillbooks for free. Or beg for them in Jita local. You have so many ingame options and you instead choose to complain on the forums that it is too challenging for you? How will you be able to survive the rest of EVE if you cannot even manage to buy skillbooks? ---
**Author:** ![Kahna\_Sung](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kahna_sung/32/332492_2.png) [@Kahna\_Sung](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kahna_Sung)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2022, 3:56pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/im-a-space-hobo/374881/99 "2022-08-26T15:56:26Z")
> [@Maxine\_Macks](#): > > I think you’ll like Elite Dangerous/Odyssey more than this one I did look at it in Steam. It looks cool. Plus it’s a one-time fee, not 20€ every month. That’s the price of my water bill. Except I can take a shower with that water. What can I do with EVE? ---
**Author:** ![Maxine\_Macks](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/maxine_macks/32/330024_2.png) [@Maxine\_Macks](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Maxine_Macks)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2022, 3:59pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/im-a-space-hobo/374881/100 "2022-08-26T15:59:58Z")
> [@Kahna\_Sung](#): > > What can I do with EVE? You can lose 😃 Lose your isk, lose your ship, lose your time… it’s exciting to lose 😃 Everybody likes losing stuff in a paid game. 🙃 ---
**Author:** ![Gerard\_Amatin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gerard_amatin/32/481361_2.png) [@Gerard\_Amatin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gerard_Amatin)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2022, 4:03pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/im-a-space-hobo/374881/101 "2022-08-26T16:03:45Z")
While the act of losing may not be fun, winning or ‘not losing’ is a lot less meaningful when losing cannot happen. ---
**Author:** ![Kahna\_Sung](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kahna_sung/32/332492_2.png) [@Kahna\_Sung](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kahna_Sung)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2022, 4:03pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/im-a-space-hobo/374881/102 "2022-08-26T16:03:47Z")
> [@Gerard\_Amatin](#): > > Is even getting the couple of thousand ISK for newbie skills too challenging for new players? No one talked about “too challenging” in this thread except the trolls. Again: Paying for Skills is ridiculous. It’s much better to earn them by playing the game. ---
**Author:** ![Gerard\_Amatin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gerard_amatin/32/481361_2.png) [@Gerard\_Amatin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gerard_Amatin)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2022, 4:05pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/im-a-space-hobo/374881/103 "2022-08-26T16:05:00Z")
You earn ISK playing the game. That’s how you earn anything in this game. What do you think ISK is for, if not a currency to earn that you can spend on things you need? ---
**Author:** ![Maxine\_Macks](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/maxine_macks/32/330024_2.png) [@Maxine\_Macks](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Maxine_Macks)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2022, 4:06pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/im-a-space-hobo/374881/104 "2022-08-26T16:06:27Z")
> [@Kahna\_Sung](#): > > No one talked about “too challenging” in this thread except the trolls. This forum is chock-full of trolls. They’ll distort your argument so that they can attack you on strawmen. It’s very easy to understand your point. They just don’t want to. They prefer to harass you with things you never said so that they can insult you later. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2022, 4:08pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/im-a-space-hobo/374881/105 "2022-08-26T16:08:57Z")
> [@Kahna\_Sung](#): > > Cutting down a tree with a chainsaw is easy Yeah I dont think youve ever done that if you think thats the case. > [@Kahna\_Sung](#): > > What is so difficult to understand that gaining skills by doing is much more immersive How is not learning a skill from a book not immersive? You really dont have anything real to say. Stop being a lazy sock puppet and troll properly or not at all. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2022, 4:10pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/im-a-space-hobo/374881/106 "2022-08-26T16:10:08Z")
Its readily apparent this thread is a rant at best and two sock puppets agreeing with each other at worse. ---
**Author:** ![Kahna\_Sung](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kahna_sung/32/332492_2.png) [@Kahna\_Sung](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kahna_Sung)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2022, 4:10pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/im-a-space-hobo/374881/107 "2022-08-26T16:10:09Z")
> [@Gerard\_Amatin](#): > > You earn ISK playing the game. That’s how you earn anything in this game. > > What do you think ISK is for, if not a currency to earn that you can spend on things you need? I think you need to read my posts, you’d understand what I’m talking about because right now you have no idea or you’re purposely not understanding it. ---
**Author:** ![Maxine\_Macks](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/maxine_macks/32/330024_2.png) [@Maxine\_Macks](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Maxine_Macks)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2022, 4:11pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/im-a-space-hobo/374881/108 "2022-08-26T16:11:32Z")
> [@Kahna\_Sung](#): > > or you’re purposely not understanding it Purposely not understanding it is how they troll you so that they call you all sorts of names like “lazy” and so on… ---
**Author:** ![Kahna\_Sung](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kahna_sung/32/332492_2.png) [@Kahna\_Sung](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kahna_Sung)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2022, 4:13pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/im-a-space-hobo/374881/109 "2022-08-26T16:13:16Z")
> [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > Stop being a lazy Okay. Lazy again. I guess you refuse to understand my point. I’m not even demanding you agree, just understand it, but even that is beyond your capabilities. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/im-a-space-hobo/374881.md?page=4) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/im-a-space-hobo/374881.md?page=6)