# Im at a loss here. Help Welcome **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [February 7, 2019, 12:42pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/im-at-a-loss-here-help-welcome/138330 "2019-02-07T12:42:43Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Solstice\_Projekt](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solstice_projekt/32/503293_2.png) [@Solstice\_Projekt](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solstice_Projekt)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2019, 6:27pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/im-at-a-loss-here-help-welcome/138330/22 "2019-02-07T18:27:41Z")
Nono, it does NOT say you can. It only tells us what we _can_ NOT, and it does not tell us that we’re not _allowed_ to use Alphas next to Omegas on a different computer! This legalese-esque crap needs to be taken literally. ---
**Author:** ![Salt\_Foambreaker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salt_foambreaker/32/280119_2.png) [@Salt\_Foambreaker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salt_Foambreaker)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2019, 6:28pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/im-at-a-loss-here-help-welcome/138330/23 "2019-02-07T18:28:06Z")
> [@Jorad\_Todako](#): > > I’ll want to be flying with more than ok ships, blue modules and HG implant pods, in order to have the edge and not to become instant cannon fodder. That’s not a good goal. You want to fly now with cheap ships because it will take 5-10 ships depending on how fast you learn to get familiar with EVE PvP. No matter how good you may have been at PvP in other games. Also ship size/quality advantage is a myth you will discover whilst losing those 10 ships. ---
**Author:** ![Solstice\_Projekt](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solstice_projekt/32/503293_2.png) [@Solstice\_Projekt](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solstice_Projekt)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2019, 6:30pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/im-at-a-loss-here-help-welcome/138330/24 "2019-02-07T18:30:36Z")
They usually don’t do that to those who show regret, or those who report themselves for something. I’ve been surfing exploits all my EVE life, and reported them immediately. I do what I _can_ do until they tell me I’m not _allowed_ to! That’s why I’m so all-over this. Source: - stopping faction police from hunting me - stopping faction police from spawning - warp with GCC - don’t get too curious. : - ) ---
**Author:** ![Ranar\_Linyne](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ranar_linyne/32/378478_2.png) [@Ranar\_Linyne](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ranar_Linyne)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2019, 6:35pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/im-at-a-loss-here-help-welcome/138330/25 "2019-02-07T18:35:03Z")
I don’t know man, that line in the second part seems to speak to their intent. I really did think it was allowed or i wouldn’t have broadcast that i do it on their forums. ---
**Author:** ![Salt\_Foambreaker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salt_foambreaker/32/280119_2.png) [@Salt\_Foambreaker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salt_Foambreaker)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2019, 6:36pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/im-at-a-loss-here-help-welcome/138330/26 "2019-02-07T18:36:05Z")
> [@Jorad\_Todako](#): > > suitable matchfight. Ok, this is not real. Real is: - You will almost never find a 1v1 fight with extremely similar ships - If you have lots of bling 3 ships will just farm you - Bling won’t help you at all, most fights are not close enough for bling to matter My advice, buy and fit 10 T1 Frigates, fly around low fighting what comes until all 10 ships are gone. You will learn so much plus you will earn some respect and possibly meet other PvPers and join a corp because ultimately solo PvP is a tough niche. ---
**Author:** ![Solstice\_Projekt](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solstice_projekt/32/503293_2.png) [@Solstice\_Projekt](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solstice_Projekt)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2019, 6:40pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/im-at-a-loss-here-help-welcome/138330/27 "2019-02-07T18:40:22Z")
Salt’s right. I was so over the ToS thing, I ignored the rest. In EVE we value “When you found yourself in a fair fight, then you did something wrong.”. It’s rare to find ones self in a fair fight, because what matters is winning. EVE is not a pvp arena, unless players specifically make tournaments or agree to it. With a blinged out ship you’re just going to die, because people will pile up on you for the killmail. Equipment doesn’t guarantee you wins. Frigates can take out battleships. ---
**Author:** ![Ranar\_Linyne](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ranar_linyne/32/378478_2.png) [@Ranar\_Linyne](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ranar_Linyne)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2019, 6:41pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/im-at-a-loss-here-help-welcome/138330/28 "2019-02-07T18:41:53Z")
i did mention the kitey condor and face hugging super tank incursus right? Dont forget the scram kite tristan. fw space is super fun even in cheaper ships, and you can(i have) killed very spendy ships with cheap ones. I have also lost blinged out ships to pilot error (in my case it was muscle memory) to a much cheaper ship. the condor is a good trainer for flying the garmur, it will make you careful because it’s made of wet tissue paper. ---
**Author:** ![Nana\_Skalski](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nana_skalski/32/489985_2.png) [@Nana\_Skalski](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nana_Skalski)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2019, 6:45pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/im-at-a-loss-here-help-welcome/138330/29 "2019-02-07T18:45:43Z")
How to PvP in EVE. ![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/7/5/7593d8224e15b0b17ef5c2184d7bd09aadfe6d6d.jpeg) Simplified. ---
**Author:** ![Jorad\_Todako](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jorad_todako/32/195448_2.png) [@Jorad\_Todako](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jorad_Todako)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2019, 7:40pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/im-at-a-loss-here-help-welcome/138330/30 "2019-02-07T19:40:27Z")
To be perfectly clear of what I want to pvp in, Let’s get one thing out of the way first, - Cheap frigate pvp does not interest me. Not anymore. (call me spoiled ?) 😉 - Im not a noob to Eve pvp, my old main goes back to 2010 and did FW for many years. I had enough time back then to sustain pvp with LP through missions. What I want to fly are the likes of : Battlecruisers, Cruisers and some Battleships. For instance: Triplerep Gnosis with Askelpian set, and with blue reps preferably. Kity Cane Navys, or Cynabals , with blue props and Snake set, for the best agility and range dictation. Triple rep Hyperion, again with blue mods and askelpian set. Ashimmu with Talisman set. and so on … Those would be my main hulls to pvp in. Ive tested them myself on their success in pvp many times, and saying you dont need blue modules or HG implants to be efficient with them is a lie, you do need them more than ever when flying solo and fighting the blobs. The only form of frigate pvp I would tolerate fighting with would be Assault frigs, ie: Jaguar, blue mods and crystal set would be my first choice, or Hawk. All those ship and pod choices, all need a lot of isk to run, as I would for sure lose at least a couple of them in a month’s time. I am well aware that my ambitions next to my affordable playtime are too unrealistic though, and so then I’ll just stay clear of that one. ---
**Author:** ![Xuxe\_Xu](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xuxe_xu/32/464660_2.png) [@Xuxe\_Xu](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xuxe_Xu)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2019, 7:57pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/im-at-a-loss-here-help-welcome/138330/31 "2019-02-07T19:57:29Z")
Open up your RL wallet, then (worth it imo as eve actually is a lot cheaper than a lot of entertainment) or cherish the good memories you made in EvE and best to you in future. o7 ---
**Author:** ![Black\_Pedro](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/black_pedro/32/257285_2.png) [@Black\_Pedro](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Black_Pedro)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2019, 8:01pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/im-at-a-loss-here-help-welcome/138330/32 "2019-02-07T20:01:12Z")
> [@Solstice\_Projekt](#): > > This is worded really badly. > > Should it not be “should not be” instead of “can not be”? I clearly **can** not log in Alpha with an Omega _cough_ on the same machine, but it does not state that I am not allowed to. The next column specifically mentions **the same computer**. > > I feel fooled… It does seem poorly worded. From Section 2 of the [EULA](https://community.eveonline.com/support/policies/eve-eula-en/): > You may establish more than one Account for each copy of the Software licensed. You are however not allowed to play EVE by using more than one Account at the same time, unless you pay a subscription fee for each of the Accounts you intend to use for that purpose. It’s pretty black and white that you can’t run an Alpha account while logged in on an Omega, regardless of which computers you use. As usual though, what really matters is how CCP interprets and enforces the EULA you agreed to. ---
**Author:** ![Foggy\_Bernstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/foggy_bernstein/32/407887_2.png) [@Foggy\_Bernstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Foggy_Bernstein)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2019, 8:07pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/im-at-a-loss-here-help-welcome/138330/33 "2019-02-07T20:07:46Z")
> [@Jorad\_Todako](#): > > pvp with if you plan of flying with some level of bling. I don’t think you understand how PVP works in this game. ---
**Author:** ![Jorad\_Todako](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jorad_todako/32/195448_2.png) [@Jorad\_Todako](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jorad_Todako)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2019, 8:08pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/im-at-a-loss-here-help-welcome/138330/34 "2019-02-07T20:08:38Z")
> [@Xuxe\_Xu](#): > > Open up your RL wallet, then (worth it imo as eve actually is a lot cheaper than a lot of entertainment) or cherish the good memories you made in EvE and best to you in future. o7 Nah, Id rather open my RL wallet for all the lesser stuff like, food, rent, wife, life and watnot lol … But ye, had a good run, enjoy yourselves while it lasts ! ---
**Author:** ![Jorad\_Todako](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jorad_todako/32/195448_2.png) [@Jorad\_Todako](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jorad_Todako)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2019, 8:11pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/im-at-a-loss-here-help-welcome/138330/35 "2019-02-07T20:11:01Z")
> [@Foggy\_Bernstein](#): > > I don’t think you understand how PVP works in this game. I dont think you understand the meaning of the word “IF”. As in, it’s a personal choice. Ive flown cheap frigs and ships, ive burned so many i lost the count, but Ive also had the experience of what flying bling ships felt like, and I simply prefer it, for my personal choice of gameplay anyway. Like for instance, Cane Navy with snake set and blue props, has that insane level of range dictation, unmatched by any other BCs, it can engage and disengage at will while still maintaining decent firepower on targets. But anyway, I digress, this wasnt meant to be a goodbye thread, plenty of those, just wondering if anything could be done to sustain my needs, and turns out no, so. Signing off ! ---
**Author:** ![Ranar\_Linyne](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ranar_linyne/32/378478_2.png) [@Ranar\_Linyne](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ranar_Linyne)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2019, 10:56pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/im-at-a-loss-here-help-welcome/138330/37 "2019-02-07T22:56:02Z")
> [@Black\_Pedro](#): > > You may establish more than one Account for each copy of the Software licensed. You are however not allowed to play EVE by using more than one Account at the same time, unless you pay a subscription fee for each of the Accounts you intend to use for that purpose. There is still a lot not covered by that statement, specifically multiple individually licensed copies of the software running on different physically separate hardware sets. Which does btw seem to be in compliance with their other published materials on the subject. it’s also been over 5 hours since i opened that ticket with no response whatsoever. All i have left to say on this topic for now is we’ll see what they say, and I’ll abide whatever that may be. I may however ask them, regardless of the outcome, to clarify their eula and reference materials to help avoid any future incidents. ---
**Author:** ![Dravick\_Afterthought](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dravick_afterthought/32/282017_2.png) [@Dravick\_Afterthought](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dravick_Afterthought)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2019, 9:51am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/im-at-a-loss-here-help-welcome/138330/38 "2019-02-08T09:51:19Z")
> [@Loutro\_Fift](#): > > Wrong. I do it all the time. Alpha on the laptop main on the desktop. Get over it, you’re not the forum police Could an ISD or DEV please confirm or deny this interpretation of the rules, as I’d like to do this as well if it’s legal. ---
**Author:** ![Ranar\_Linyne](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ranar_linyne/32/378478_2.png) [@Ranar\_Linyne](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ranar_Linyne)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2019, 4:44pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/im-at-a-loss-here-help-welcome/138330/39 "2019-02-08T16:44:30Z")
Ticket response: “That is correct, you are not allowed to do that.” -paraphrasing I asked them to clarify that bit about another computer so folks don’t think, as i did, that this is allowed. Don’t know if they will though. ---
**Author:** ![3nki](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/3nki/32/116752_2.png) [@3nki](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/3nki)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2019, 4:52pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/im-at-a-loss-here-help-welcome/138330/40 "2019-02-08T16:52:29Z")
> [@Jorad\_Todako](#): > > I’ll want to be flying with more than ok ships, blue modules and HG implant pods, in order to have the edge and not to become instant cannon fodder. This is where you are going wrong. Don’t PvP with blue modules or HG implants. Too expensive. And more expensive modules won’t hide deficiencies in piloting skills. I fly just normal T2 stuff and have successfully solo’d many blinged our faction, pirate, and other T2 ships. Feels great to use an Ishkur to kill ships worth 4-5x my ships value Also FYI if you fly solo with bling ships you’re going to get shat on very quickly. I can’t ever recommend to anyone that they should go solo with no support when they pilot expensive fits. It’s a bad idea. ---
**Author:** ![Lylyth\_LSG](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lylyth_lsg/32/119440_2.png) [@Lylyth\_LSG](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lylyth_LSG)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2019, 5:02pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/im-at-a-loss-here-help-welcome/138330/41 "2019-02-08T17:02:44Z")
> [@Jorad\_Todako](#): > > Im personally beginning to think that Eve has finally become too time-investment heavy of a game for me to be able play it, and would regrettably have to let it go. [![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/1/5/150c02145294153999619aa7934bdad0afcd7c62.jpeg "You Serious?") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ztVMib1T4T4) ---
**Author:** ![Doktorica\_LSG](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/doktorica_lsg/32/119474_2.png) [@Doktorica\_LSG](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Doktorica_LSG)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2019, 7:35pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/im-at-a-loss-here-help-welcome/138330/42 "2019-02-08T19:35:22Z")
> [@Lylyth\_LSG](#): > > Im personally beginning to think that Eve has finally become too time-investment heavy of a game for me to be able play it, and would regrettably have to let it go. yess 👍 [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/im-at-a-loss-here-help-welcome/138330.md?page=1) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/im-at-a-loss-here-help-welcome/138330.md?page=3)