# I'm making a thesis about the CSM and I want to hear your thoughts! **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Tags:** csm\ **Created:** [August 30, 2020, 8:41pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/im-making-a-thesis-about-the-csm-and-i-want-to-hear-your-thoughts/263835 "2020-08-30T20:41:49Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Mike\_Azariah](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mike_azariah/32/512626_2.png) [@Mike\_Azariah](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mike_Azariah)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2020, 12:50am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/im-making-a-thesis-about-the-csm-and-i-want-to-hear-your-thoughts/263835/21 "2020-08-31T00:50:21Z")
> [@Archer\_en\_Tilavine](#): > > Speaking of which… @Mike_Azariah you previously said on the forums you don’t have / have no intention of using Discord… I was already on the CSM Discord message before this poll and was surprised to find you on it. I visit it occasionally or forget the damn thing is open so I would consider it a very unreliable method of contacting me. Funny thing? WHICH CSM Discord? As I know of at least 2. That is the worst part about it as too many channels, too much noise for an old man. m ---
**Author:** ![Xeux](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xeux/32/428022_2.png) [@Xeux](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xeux)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2020, 1:01am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/im-making-a-thesis-about-the-csm-and-i-want-to-hear-your-thoughts/263835/22 "2020-08-31T01:01:10Z")
You should totally join Archer’s discord. He has more channels than stars in the sky. ---
**Author:** ![MB\_ThePhotographer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mb_thephotographer/32/373722_2.png) [@MB\_ThePhotographer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MB_ThePhotographer)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2020, 1:15am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/im-making-a-thesis-about-the-csm-and-i-want-to-hear-your-thoughts/263835/23 "2020-08-31T01:15:47Z")
But I dont want to hear a lecture! 😭 That’s my wife’s job! 🙃 ---
**Author:** ![Archer\_en\_Tilavine](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/archer_en_tilavine/32/461718_2.png) [@Archer\_en\_Tilavine](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Archer_en_Tilavine)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2020, 1:52am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/im-making-a-thesis-about-the-csm-and-i-want-to-hear-your-thoughts/263835/24 "2020-08-31T01:52:00Z")
After you left I removed about 15 channels. Make AeT Discord Great Again! MAeTDGA!!! ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2020, 1:56am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/im-making-a-thesis-about-the-csm-and-i-want-to-hear-your-thoughts/263835/25 "2020-08-31T01:56:01Z")
The CSM exists to reinforce a line between They and everyone else, like all forms of democracy. ---
**Author:** ![Xeux](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xeux/32/428022_2.png) [@Xeux](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xeux)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2020, 2:01am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/im-making-a-thesis-about-the-csm-and-i-want-to-hear-your-thoughts/263835/26 "2020-08-31T02:01:02Z")
Not only that - but Archer has two discords - I never got invited to the other one. ---
**Author:** ![Archer\_en\_Tilavine](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/archer_en_tilavine/32/461718_2.png) [@Archer\_en\_Tilavine](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Archer_en_Tilavine)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2020, 5:18am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/im-making-a-thesis-about-the-csm-and-i-want-to-hear-your-thoughts/263835/27 "2020-08-31T05:18:07Z")
You have: - The USIA Discord for clients and runners - The AeT Discord for… stuff - The Lotek Discord, which is temporarily unused; I deleted/disabled all channels so the only thing current/new users see is a read-only bulletin bumping them to the other two discords. Dooku demands to know why you’re being such a player hater ---
**Author:** ![Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/uriel_the_flame/32/490165_2.png) [@Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Uriel_the_Flame)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2020, 7:06am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/im-making-a-thesis-about-the-csm-and-i-want-to-hear-your-thoughts/263835/28 "2020-08-31T07:06:23Z")
> [@Devblog: CSM Winter Summit 2019 Meeting Minutes](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-csm-winter-summit-2019-meeting-minutes/147215/3): > > [image] ---
**Author:** ![Surly\_Bill](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/surly_bill/32/221329_2.png) [@Surly\_Bill](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Surly_Bill)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2020, 7:35am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/im-making-a-thesis-about-the-csm-and-i-want-to-hear-your-thoughts/263835/29 "2020-08-31T07:35:52Z")
The CSM is just a tool used by the Government to keep us down man! ![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/9/a/9a91ad2937f49d8ce677ff364b79246ef5260993.gif) ---
**Author:** ![John\_Holt](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/john_holt/32/242651_2.png) [@John\_Holt](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/John_Holt)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2020, 10:19am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/im-making-a-thesis-about-the-csm-and-i-want-to-hear-your-thoughts/263835/30 "2020-08-31T10:19:17Z")
> [@I'm making a thesis about the CSM and I want to hear your thoughts!](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/im-making-a-thesis-about-the-csm-and-i-want-to-hear-your-thoughts/263835/21): > > I visit it occasionally or forget the damn thing is open so I would consider it a very unreliable method of contacting me. Funny thing? WHICH CSM Discord? As I know of at least 2. That is the worst part about it as too many channels, too much noise for an old man. m How old are you Mike. I’m 63 and actually do live in a senior setting. ---
**Author:** ![Archer\_en\_Tilavine](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/archer_en_tilavine/32/461718_2.png) [@Archer\_en\_Tilavine](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Archer_en_Tilavine)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2020, 5:11pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/im-making-a-thesis-about-the-csm-and-i-want-to-hear-your-thoughts/263835/31 "2020-08-31T17:11:42Z")
> [@Proving of Kybernauts for Glorification in the Flow Unfolds](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proving-of-kybernauts-for-glorification-in-the-flow-unfolds/252073/754): > > I am 60, yes. Still play. 11 years and counting so I might be considered late to the game. 😐🤢🤮 ---
**Author:** ![Xeux](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xeux/32/428022_2.png) [@Xeux](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xeux)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2020, 5:15pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/im-making-a-thesis-about-the-csm-and-i-want-to-hear-your-thoughts/263835/32 "2020-08-31T17:15:53Z")
What is this supposed to mean? ---
**Author:** ![Buoytender\_Bob](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/buoytender_bob/32/374377_2.png) [@Buoytender\_Bob](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Buoytender_Bob)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2020, 5:44pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/im-making-a-thesis-about-the-csm-and-i-want-to-hear-your-thoughts/263835/33 "2020-08-31T17:44:22Z")
Kid, act like an adult…oh, and get off my Space Lawn! 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Shipwreck\_Jones](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/shipwreck_jones/32/274382_2.png) [@Shipwreck\_Jones](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Shipwreck_Jones)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2020, 5:48pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/im-making-a-thesis-about-the-csm-and-i-want-to-hear-your-thoughts/263835/34 "2020-08-31T17:48:54Z")
I’m sure you know this, but regular eve forum users are by no means a representative sample. First, we tend to be more hardcore and less casual. Second, bitter vets are more likely to take to the forums to complain, while happier players tend to stay in-game playing. So, our perceptions are not necessarily representative of the average player’s perceptions. Also, the CSM is somehow simultaneously ineffectual and a group of self-serving meta-gamers that are tricking CCP into making changes that benefit the null-blocs at the expense of other play styles. Wake up sheeple. ---
**Author:** ![Archer\_en\_Tilavine](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/archer_en_tilavine/32/461718_2.png) [@Archer\_en\_Tilavine](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Archer_en_Tilavine)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2020, 6:04pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/im-making-a-thesis-about-the-csm-and-i-want-to-hear-your-thoughts/263835/35 "2020-08-31T18:04:27Z")
> [@Buoytender\_Bob](#): > > Kid, act like an adult…oh, and get off my Space Lawn! 😉 That reaction is an [inside joke](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proving-of-kybernauts-for-glorification-in-the-flow-unfolds/252073/763) shared between Mike and myself. He knows what I’m referring to. ---
**Author:** ![Serene\_Repose](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/serene_repose/32/384960_2.png) [@Serene\_Repose](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Serene_Repose)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2020, 6:29pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/im-making-a-thesis-about-the-csm-and-i-want-to-hear-your-thoughts/263835/36 "2020-08-31T18:29:20Z")
Looks like you decided to just write your thesis here. I always doubt the veracity of such claims anyway…even though I do believe EVE is a great place to study anti-social behavior…all the way up to the headshed…which brings us to the issue at hand; CSM. CSM, as was already said by someone else, was not implemented by CCP to represent the player’s points of view. There’s sufficient evidence CCP doesn’t give a rat’s @$$ about the player’s points of view. It was created so CCP can claim it has player input in development. Since it doesn’t really DO that, and Goonsquirts et al have already made it quite public how they’re in the position to pad the membership, those who aren’t in on it, but “serving” on CSM, can’t help but be suspect as to their integrity. You lie down with dogs. You get up with fleas. In my opinion, any professor or official educational entity that would accept such a thesis as this, unless its intention is to show the lengths corporations will go to in order to fabricate a public persona which has none of the qualities of the actuality, is of no credible use to the profession of education. And…right, good luck with your…paper. ---
**Author:** ![Vals\_Loeder](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/vals_loeder/32/192416_2.png) [@Vals\_Loeder](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Vals_Loeder)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2020, 6:29pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/im-making-a-thesis-about-the-csm-and-i-want-to-hear-your-thoughts/263835/37 "2020-08-31T18:29:44Z")
The CSM is corrupt, just like any other “political” institute. ---
**Author:** ![Daichi\_Yamato](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/daichi_yamato/32/252995_2.png) [@Daichi\_Yamato](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Daichi_Yamato)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2020, 1:19am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/im-making-a-thesis-about-the-csm-and-i-want-to-hear-your-thoughts/263835/38 "2020-09-01T01:19:26Z")
The CSM act as a sound board as someone said, but they also have the Dev’s ears on a near daily basis. And, being mostly nullsec players hanging out in null sec forums and discussion, means that a disproportionate amount of feedback and ideas on game design are coming from a null sec perspective. I believe this is why null sec gets so much attention despite being a minority playerbase. And as such they absolutely do have an effect on game design. The CSM are why there is no vulnerability window for shields on structures anymore. They are why carriers no longer use drones and the drone assist cap is at 50. They are why the watch list was changed to a buddy list. For game design, they are essentially a null-sec focus group, and it’d be great if we could get focus groups for other features/areas of the game. ---
**Author:** ![Karak\_Terrel](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/karak_terrel/32/373453_2.png) [@Karak\_Terrel](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Karak_Terrel)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2020, 10:03am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/im-making-a-thesis-about-the-csm-and-i-want-to-hear-your-thoughts/263835/39 "2020-09-01T10:03:26Z")
It’s basically a bunch of nerds that think this space ship game is so important that they work for free for CCP. They probably think of themselves as some kind of important space politician with the crucial task to keep the super important space game running. In reality they are just free consumer feedback aggregators for CCP which they can ask for their opinion or just ignore at will. ---
**Author:** ![Xeux](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xeux/32/428022_2.png) [@Xeux](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xeux)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2020, 1:44pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/im-making-a-thesis-about-the-csm-and-i-want-to-hear-your-thoughts/263835/40 "2020-09-01T13:44:26Z")
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