# I'm not really impressed with what I heard today from CCP Helmar **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [May 7, 2022, 12:44am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/im-not-really-impressed-with-what-i-heard-today-from-ccp-helmar/361468 "2022-05-07T00:44:35Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Emotional\_Support\_Clown](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/emotional_support_clown/32/310422_2.png) [@Emotional\_Support\_Clown](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Emotional_Support_Clown)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2022, 12:15pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/im-not-really-impressed-with-what-i-heard-today-from-ccp-helmar/361468/43 "2022-05-07T12:15:27Z")
> [@Cypherous](#): > > Well they can’t exactly promote you finding friends, thats not something they have control over lol The slides on fanfest on stage actually show “MULTI-ACCOUNTING”, that’s a solo pilot feature marketing. It has nothing to do with “friends” or “teams”. It’s a way to sell you the same game, X number of times to the same customer. Milking. Why sell a game once to a customer when you can sell them 2 copies or more. Why sell one sub, when you can sell them 2+. ---
**Author:** ![tutucox\_Khamsi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tutucox_khamsi/32/430743_2.png) [@tutucox\_Khamsi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/tutucox_Khamsi)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2022, 12:20pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/im-not-really-impressed-with-what-i-heard-today-from-ccp-helmar/361468/44 "2022-05-07T12:20:41Z")
im all up for a EVE deck building game in the style of ascension but ccp just don’t listem to me ☹ ---
**Author:** ![Emira\_Sultana](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/emira_sultana/32/298445_2.png) [@Emira\_Sultana](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Emira_Sultana)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2022, 12:55pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/im-not-really-impressed-with-what-i-heard-today-from-ccp-helmar/361468/45 "2022-05-07T12:55:44Z")
> [@Altesse\_Tsukaya](#): > > They might be working hard but not on the right things On things that the community has asked for like ship decals and the ability for player-run corporations to train their own newbros. They’ve also incorporated MS program into the game to facilitate comparisons and management through spreadsheets. There are more things but they’re not on your list. > [@Altesse\_Tsukaya](#): > > The game need a total rebalance of industry and mining Why? Because you’re not making your isk quota? > [@Altesse\_Tsukaya](#): > > Yeah new animations are great but who cares if theres nobody left to look at them. > > The game is declining but it is entirely CCP’s fault Graphs show that new players keep logging in and they’re improving the NPE with more content so new newbros can learn the game. 3d environment is important for immersion, animations too. Maybe you don’t care but I do. The game is always declining in your opinion and I doubt anything will change that. > [@Altesse\_Tsukaya](#): > > all those ‘destroy their dream’ type promotion just hurts the non-hardcore-pvp playerbase a lot and those make up the majority of the playerbase That is just one aspect of EVE. It’s advertised the way CCP think will attract PvPers. There are other advertising for EVE as Exploration and Mining and Industry… it’s not as one-sided as you say. > [@Altesse\_Tsukaya](#): > > Might be too late though, since my post will probably receive a lot of hate from said hardcore-pvp fans. Maybe post something that approaches reality could be the solution. ---
**Author:** ![Cypherous](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cypherous/32/499883_2.png) [@Cypherous](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Cypherous)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2022, 1:03pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/im-not-really-impressed-with-what-i-heard-today-from-ccp-helmar/361468/46 "2022-05-07T13:03:03Z")
> [@Emotional\_Support\_Clown](#): > > The slides on fanfest on stage actually show “MULTI-ACCOUNTING”, that’s a solo pilot feature marketing. It has nothing to do with “friends” or “teams”. Sure, and thats an issue because? Its a feature of the game and has been promoted since the start, you must be new here 😛 > [@Emotional\_Support\_Clown](#): > > It’s a way to sell you the same game, X number of times to the same customer. Milking. Every MMO would do the same if they could find a way to make it work, the difference is other MMO’s are more action and movement based so they just aren’t able to sell you extra accounts, make no mistake if they could they would lol ---
**Author:** ![Emotional\_Support\_Clown](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/emotional_support_clown/32/310422_2.png) [@Emotional\_Support\_Clown](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Emotional_Support_Clown)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2022, 1:05pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/im-not-really-impressed-with-what-i-heard-today-from-ccp-helmar/361468/47 "2022-05-07T13:05:35Z")
> [@Cypherous](#): > > Sure, and thats an issue because? Well, putting up the price helps get rid of them, so I am all for a higher price in that case. No problem then 😏 Turn the milking machine to 11. I would prefer to be ganked by 2 unique players than one with 2+ accounts. I would also like to see more itemisation of feature billing than one size for all. ---
**Author:** ![Cypherous](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cypherous/32/499883_2.png) [@Cypherous](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Cypherous)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2022, 1:08pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/im-not-really-impressed-with-what-i-heard-today-from-ccp-helmar/361468/48 "2022-05-07T13:08:27Z")
> [@Emotional\_Support\_Clown](#): > > I would prefer to be ganked by 2 unique players than one with 2+ accounts. Yeah i don’t think its going to change much, the price is fine from where i’m sitting, i don’t have to pay for expansions and i’ve got access to 18 years worth of content, seems like a 1st world problem ---
**Author:** ![Emotional\_Support\_Clown](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/emotional_support_clown/32/310422_2.png) [@Emotional\_Support\_Clown](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Emotional_Support_Clown)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2022, 1:09pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/im-not-really-impressed-with-what-i-heard-today-from-ccp-helmar/361468/49 "2022-05-07T13:09:48Z")
Irony and hypocracy is CCP pontificates about friends and people bonding at Fanfest, yet depends upon multi-accounting which is solo marketing. ---
**Author:** ![Adm\_Malkaviano](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/adm_malkaviano/32/496610_2.png) [@Adm\_Malkaviano](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Adm_Malkaviano)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2022, 4:42pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/im-not-really-impressed-with-what-i-heard-today-from-ccp-helmar/361468/50 "2022-05-07T16:42:22Z")
> [@Daichi\_Yamato](#): > > It’s had a ton of new half assed pve content. > > Abyssals, pirate fobs, drifters, resource wars, trigs, krabs and dozens of events. > > Trust me, no amount of half assed pve content is going to save eve. I improved it for you my man. I agree EVE has the right amount of PvE and this is not a theme park, but CCP should finish their stuff before starting new stuff. **Agile Thinking : Stop Starting, Start Finishing.** ---
**Author:** ![Jin\_Endares](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jin_endares/32/413291_2.png) [@Jin\_Endares](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jin_Endares)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2022, 6:24pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/im-not-really-impressed-with-what-i-heard-today-from-ccp-helmar/361468/51 "2022-05-07T18:24:34Z")
Everyone is missing the big point: EVE does **NOT** _have_ to be on decline! ☹ There are many great and seemingly simple things CCP could add to the game to keep it going for a long time to come. And if you’re taking RL money makers there are many things players would pay for (and have asked for and indicated willingness to pay for already). ---
**Author:** ![Emotional\_Support\_Clown](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/emotional_support_clown/32/310422_2.png) [@Emotional\_Support\_Clown](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Emotional_Support_Clown)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2022, 6:33pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/im-not-really-impressed-with-what-i-heard-today-from-ccp-helmar/361468/52 "2022-05-07T18:33:58Z")
> [@Jin\_Endares](#): > > There are many great and seemingly simple things CCP could add to the game to keep it going for a long time to come. Yes, #1, customers. ---
**Author:** ![Jin\_Endares](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jin_endares/32/413291_2.png) [@Jin\_Endares](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jin_Endares)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2022, 6:37pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/im-not-really-impressed-with-what-i-heard-today-from-ccp-helmar/361468/53 "2022-05-07T18:37:25Z")
Pretty sure if CCP could manufacture paying customers out of the air they would. 😜 Not a helpful comment. ---
**Author:** ![Emotional\_Support\_Clown](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/emotional_support_clown/32/310422_2.png) [@Emotional\_Support\_Clown](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Emotional_Support_Clown)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2022, 6:38pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/im-not-really-impressed-with-what-i-heard-today-from-ccp-helmar/361468/54 "2022-05-07T18:38:00Z")
> [@Jin\_Endares](#): > > Pretty sure if CCP could manufacture paying customers out of the air they would. 😜 They did, “power of 2” (or 3). ---
**Author:** ![LowKey\_Chandler](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lowkey_chandler/32/441798_2.png) [@LowKey\_Chandler](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/LowKey_Chandler)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2022, 6:55pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/im-not-really-impressed-with-what-i-heard-today-from-ccp-helmar/361468/55 "2022-05-07T18:55:49Z")
Oh we’ve seen decline before, but historical memory is not homo unsapien’s strong point. > **[The History of Rome](https://open.spotify.com/show/6wiEd40oPbQ9UK1rSpIy8I)** > > Listen to The History of Rome on Spotify. A weekly podcast tracing the rise, decline and fall of the Roman Empire. ---
**Author:** ![Rovinia](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/rovinia/32/483428_2.png) [@Rovinia](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Rovinia)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2022, 7:33pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/im-not-really-impressed-with-what-i-heard-today-from-ccp-helmar/361468/56 "2022-05-07T19:33:10Z")
The whole thing was embarassing for CCP. It’s nice that they FINALY want to work on Faction warfare, but what they have shown us was in such an early concept stage that it will take them years to deliver something. It was probably writen on a beermat the week before fanfest when they panicked, realizing they have nothing to showcase. And all this after CCP Dev’s bragging about the “Biggest Content Update so far” and the CEO himself firing up the hypetrain with twitter posts like this [[https://twitter.com/HilmarVeigar/status/1521406178571476993](https://twitter.com/HilmarVeigar/status/1521406178571476993)]… Hinting a WiS relaunch or whatever… CCP, what the hell have you worked on the last 2 years? This must be a late April Fools joke, right? ---
**Author:** ![Dingy\_big\_Johnson](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dingy_big_johnson/32/319268_2.png) [@Dingy\_big\_Johnson](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dingy_big_Johnson)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2022, 7:45pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/im-not-really-impressed-with-what-i-heard-today-from-ccp-helmar/361468/57 "2022-05-07T19:45:28Z")
Promote finding friends that want to fly dictors only and nothing else. There are tailor suited jobs to alts in this game, where most online games want to stop players from multi boxing eve online not only encourages it but they have systems that are designed for it. ---
**Author:** ![Daichi\_Yamato](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/daichi_yamato/32/252995_2.png) [@Daichi\_Yamato](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Daichi_Yamato)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2022, 9:55pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/im-not-really-impressed-with-what-i-heard-today-from-ccp-helmar/361468/58 "2022-05-07T21:55:14Z")
Get used to the ‘half assed’ pve. CCP doesn’t have the resources nor eve the infrastructure to do ‘good pve’. Eve’s very combat system does not allow for things like evasive manoeuvres or aiming for weak spots. You can’t block shots or hide behind cover. No to mention the players vehemently reject anything that isn’t brain dead farmable. Like the drifter doomsday nerf, local blackout or the outrage during the resist nerf. If people are still holding out for complex and engaging pve in eve they are a special kind of naive. ---
**Author:** ![Altesse\_Tsukaya](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altesse_tsukaya/32/318147_2.png) [@Altesse\_Tsukaya](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altesse_Tsukaya)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2022, 10:33pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/im-not-really-impressed-with-what-i-heard-today-from-ccp-helmar/361468/59 "2022-05-07T22:33:59Z")
Abyssals are popular and they arent as braindead as you say… I do agree eve’s combat system is anything but fun, but if CCP wasnt always listening to the few, very vocal, hardcore-pvp players who hate anything that isn’t blowing up other people’s stuff, the game would have a chance to be a lot more popular. Sure the game needs risk, but the industry system can be great, such a shame it’s worthless since they broke it, to please whom? The largest nul sec blocs and high sec gankers scrubs. Funny how gankers cry too nowadays they have nothing to gank and ships are more expensive than ever, who would’ve thought… ---
**Author:** ![Jerichow](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jerichow/32/440569_2.png) [@Jerichow](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jerichow)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2022, 10:51pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/im-not-really-impressed-with-what-i-heard-today-from-ccp-helmar/361468/60 "2022-05-07T22:51:57Z")
> [@Altesse\_Tsukaya](#): > > They might be working hard but not on the right things. THIS. This right here sums up what I’m seeing wrong with CCP’s development direction. They might be putting a lot of effort into developing parts of the game, but it’s not the parts of the game that are going to help keep revenue flowing, and keep player interest for the long haul. Players need more things to do to keep them invested, not have those pre-existing things be shinier and have special VFX. As an industrial, I want them to bring back hisec mining anomalies that require you to scan them down, and make it so ice belts can spawn in any system instead of just a few. Make things require me to do actively participate in the game again and get rewarded for it. ---
**Author:** ![Daichi\_Yamato](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/daichi_yamato/32/252995_2.png) [@Daichi\_Yamato](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Daichi_Yamato)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2022, 10:58pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/im-not-really-impressed-with-what-i-heard-today-from-ccp-helmar/361468/61 "2022-05-07T22:58:54Z")
> [@Altesse\_Tsukaya](#): > > Abyssals are popular and they arent as braindead as you say… There are guides on how to farm it at every tier. You might think they are difficult, I assure you they are not. > [@Altesse\_Tsukaya](#): > > but if CCP wasnt always listening to the few, very vocal, hardcore-pvp players who hate anything that isn’t blowing up other people’s stuff, the game would have a chance to be a lot more popular. The only thing eve has ever done well is be a non-consensual PvP sandbox. You can pretty much pinpoint the exact moment CCP deviated from that design philosophy on the login graphs above. CCP **haven’t** been listening to the PvP crowd. That’s why barge tanks are so huge now and wardecs are in the toilet. And that’s the problem. They did it before in the interest of ‘popularity’ and it had the opposite effect. Even now after the semi-reversal of surgical strike, it’s still done nothing to stop the hemorrhage. > [@Altesse\_Tsukaya](#): > > but the industry system can be great, such a shame it’s worthless since they broke it, to please whom? The largest nul sec blocs and high sec gankers scrubs. Gankers asked for the industry changes. Yeah that sounds about right. 🙄 > [@Altesse\_Tsukaya](#): > > Funny how gankers cry too nowadays they have nothing to gank and ships are more expensive than ever, who would’ve thought… Link? > [@Jerichow](#): > > Make things require me to do actively participate in the game again and get rewarded for it. That was literally scarcity and the industry changes. That is exactly what they did. And the players widely rejected it. Do you see what I mean? Edit- Look at the Orca nerf for crying out loud. Encouraging people to use barges rather than afk Orcas. And CCP had to **buff** the Orca to stop the REEEE! ---
**Author:** ![Adm\_Malkaviano](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/adm_malkaviano/32/496610_2.png) [@Adm\_Malkaviano](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Adm_Malkaviano)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2022, 10:59pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/im-not-really-impressed-with-what-i-heard-today-from-ccp-helmar/361468/62 "2022-05-07T22:59:01Z")
I get that part, I have lower expectations like a final step to reputation with empires. Maybe some criminal restrictions, but I’m being too bold here!!! [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/im-not-really-impressed-with-what-i-heard-today-from-ccp-helmar/361468.md?page=2) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/im-not-really-impressed-with-what-i-heard-today-from-ccp-helmar/361468.md?page=4)