# I'm tired of the low quality coding **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [December 27, 2025, 1:25pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/im-tired-of-the-low-quality-coding/503917 "2025-12-27T13:25:38Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Gloria\_Exercitus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gloria_exercitus/32/509735_2.png) [@Gloria\_Exercitus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gloria_Exercitus)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2025, 3:33pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/im-tired-of-the-low-quality-coding/503917/42 "2025-12-30T15:33:42Z")
> [@Andlaust](#): > > Like having more than one Overview window open? > > I’ve got Capsuleer ships in their own window, and navigation in a second, narrow window beside it. Never have to scroll for a gate or switch tabs for a warp out in hostile space. It’s a lot more space ( on screen ) effective to create multiple tabs you can switch between…all within one overview. For example I have a tab that shows only suspects. Its one quick click to switch it to a tab for travel, or one for everything. ---
**Author:** ![Andlaust](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/andlaust/32/422007_2.png) [@Andlaust](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Andlaust)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2025, 7:22pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/im-tired-of-the-low-quality-coding/503917/43 "2025-12-30T19:22:59Z")
Thanks, Captain Obvious! Thank you for telling us how the Overview normally works, surely none of us knew that. Obviously, if you have screen space issues, you probably will only use the one overview. _ **However** _, if you’re playing at a resolution of 3840x1080, then that clearly isn’t the case. As I said, a cheap second-hand monitor is a very worthwhile investment. ---
**Author:** ![Meridan\_Night](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/meridan_night/32/488304_2.png) [@Meridan\_Night](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Meridan_Night)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2025, 1:38am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/im-tired-of-the-low-quality-coding/503917/44 "2025-12-31T01:38:08Z")
> [@John\_Rochard](#): > > This is just adware for the game. I don’t see this as a problem. I play EVE, I like EVE, I don’t mind seeing information about the game on the launcher. There have been occasions where CCP has advertised something pertaining to the game – like a sale in the NES store, a new expansion – that I had not heard of and wouldn’t have heard of had it not been on the launcher. If CCP started renting that ad slot for third parties, then I will have a huge problem with it, as I would see it as spam. But EVE ads on the game launcher, this is a non-issue. ---
**Author:** ![Yengwayo\_Zembutoo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/yengwayo_zembutoo/32/456345_2.png) [@Yengwayo\_Zembutoo](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Yengwayo_Zembutoo)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2025, 1:55am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/im-tired-of-the-low-quality-coding/503917/45 "2025-12-31T01:55:52Z")
Bugs, lotsa bugs 🐛 eve will forever have launcher issues, all part of the comprehensive plan. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Rochard](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/john_rochard/32/373864_2.png) [@John\_Rochard](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/John_Rochard)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2025, 3:22am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/im-tired-of-the-low-quality-coding/503917/46 "2025-12-31T03:22:58Z")
@Antihrist_Pripravnik it is very obvious you are deluded or maybe you are a CCP developer. I am not entirely sure which. I am not going to insult everyone’s intelligence here but ask yourself this one question; If the launcher is such a relevant part of this game, how is it, I can shut it off after the client starts? Case closed. @Meridan_Night maybe it is not an issue as much as, it is a nonessential block to this game. When it is bugged or glitched, it keeps us all out in the cold until fixed. One game should have, one program, the client. ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2025, 3:37am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/im-tired-of-the-low-quality-coding/503917/47 "2025-12-31T03:37:02Z")
How do you propose to automatically update the game, or log into your clients, without using a launcher? ---
**Author:** ![Andlaust](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/andlaust/32/422007_2.png) [@Andlaust](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Andlaust)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2025, 4:11am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/im-tired-of-the-low-quality-coding/503917/48 "2025-12-31T04:11:46Z")
The same way they did it before 2013, when they introduced the old launcher. You double clicked the icon, it ran a version check and update if needed, then you got a log in screen. I prefer the launcher now, the one that allows me to bypass the character select screen. ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2025, 4:12am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/im-tired-of-the-low-quality-coding/503917/49 "2025-12-31T04:12:38Z")
What if I need 10 login screens, not just one? What if I want it to update before and without me clicking on an icon? ---
**Author:** ![Antihrist\_Pripravnik](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/antihrist_pripravnik/32/502236_2.png) [@Antihrist\_Pripravnik](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Antihrist_Pripravnik)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2025, 4:24am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/im-tired-of-the-low-quality-coding/503917/50 "2025-12-31T04:24:05Z")
> [@John\_Rochard](#): > > If the launcher is such a relevant part of this game, how is it, I can shut it off after the client starts? Because maintenance of cache and updates is happening before the game is ready to launch. Simple. ---
**Author:** ![Andlaust](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/andlaust/32/422007_2.png) [@Andlaust](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Andlaust)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2025, 4:27am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/im-tired-of-the-low-quality-coding/503917/51 "2025-12-31T04:27:06Z")
> [@John\_Rochard](#): > > If the launcher is such a relevant part of this game, how is it, I can shut it off after the client starts? Because the launcher is how they assure that everyone is using the same version of the client to connect to the server. The client now just has to do a final comparison with the server, and lets the dedicated program deal with file comparisons and update logs. That’s really all it is, it’s not complicated. ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2025, 4:27am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/im-tired-of-the-low-quality-coding/503917/52 "2025-12-31T04:27:54Z")
The coolest thing about the launcher is the integrated IRC chatroom that lets you talk to other people. It’s like a mini-Discord. ---
**Author:** ![Andlaust](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/andlaust/32/422007_2.png) [@Andlaust](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Andlaust)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2025, 4:34am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/im-tired-of-the-low-quality-coding/503917/53 "2025-12-31T04:34:18Z")
Oh, you’re part of that generation that “discovered” a couple years ago that wind can be used to push cargo ships across the ocean. Nevermind… ---
**Author:** ![Yengwayo\_Zembutoo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/yengwayo_zembutoo/32/456345_2.png) [@Yengwayo\_Zembutoo](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Yengwayo_Zembutoo)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2025, 4:41am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/im-tired-of-the-low-quality-coding/503917/54 "2025-12-31T04:41:41Z")
Knuckle draggers, lotsa Knuckle draggers. ---
**Author:** ![Gloria\_Exercitus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gloria_exercitus/32/509735_2.png) [@Gloria\_Exercitus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gloria_Exercitus)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2025, 10:27am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/im-tired-of-the-low-quality-coding/503917/55 "2025-12-31T10:27:18Z")
> [@Andlaust](#): > > Thank you for telling us how the Overview normally work You’re welcome. Do you need any more help ? ---
**Author:** ![Vokan\_Narkar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/vokan_narkar/32/326293_2.png) [@Vokan\_Narkar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Vokan_Narkar)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2025, 5:53pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/im-tired-of-the-low-quality-coding/503917/56 "2025-12-31T17:53:14Z")
> [@Meridan\_Night](#): > > I have no problems with my launcher. If I find anything to complain about, it’s that the downloads are sometimes too data-heavy, but that’s not the fault of the launcher. Ergo, no problems with launcher at all. And I am playing on an 8-year-old Macbook Pro. > > All these ‘problems’ that don’t universally affect every/most EVE player/s are in some way or another the ‘fault’ of the system they play on, and their settings. Like the recent graphics complaints. Thats great that you have no issues with launcher! I envy you. Launcher is super buggy. Not so long ago it was occassionally freezing and one had to minimalise it and maximalize to unfreeze it. They fixed that, but as usual with CCP they just created a new issue. Surely not that impactful, but it is still not right. So what happens is that when you alt-tab to the launcher it starts scrolling in the account list. I have about 20 accounts as I am always abusing that “free” omega week for ganking, so it is a bit annoying when it does that. What is much more annoying is that some of my accounts won’t start up. It doesn’t matter whether I use launch group feature or I try to launch them manually, launcher will show the account as launched, but the window with it isn’t there. When I realize that, I need to quit the account using the launcher a boot it up again. This has costed me several targets already. And this issue is now worse than before. This is happening to me from start when I returned to EVE about half year ago. But till now, this issue was happening only at the beginning, ie. when I booted up my PC and EVE. After I launched all my accounts for the first time, then subsequent boting didn’t fail. Now it fails anytime and it is really annoying. Except that, there are several less impactful bugs like that some accounts that I already closed (as I only collected the battlepass reward and quit) still shows as launched in the launcher. Also when I biomassed one of my toons, launcher still showed the original character in there. And some clients seems to just disappear by itself, and launcher will still show them as launched despite the window with it just isn’t there anymore yet I am sure I didn’t close it myself. And of course the launcher would show my accounts that I subbed as alpha until next day (or possibly until restarting the launcher, it didn’t bother me so I didn’t try that). This is another non-impactful issue but shows exactly what OP says - low quality of coding. Note I play on a PC with Windows 10. > [@Aiko\_Danuja](#): > > I would suggest that programming a persistent MMO is exceptionally difficult, which is why no other video game company has tried to do what CCP has done. It might not be perfect, but it’s hardly “low quality”. This argument might apply for actual game, but launcher is no special. Except perhaps the multiboxing support which other games and their launchers don’t have because thsoe games are not supporting multiboxing and are typically not easy to multibox as they have higher apm than EVE. So why other game developers can code a quality launcher for their game, but CCP cannot? But even if we apply your argument to the actual game, there is not that much that is really unique and that nobody else did. The only thing that is unique in EVE is its single worldwide server and no instances. That allows thousands of players to gather and do sh\*t at the same place and same time, but we all know how poor experience is that and it is getting abused a lot. And this is just not an excuse for the game being so buggy. EVE is by far the most bugged MMO on the market. There are hundreds of gamebreaking bugs that were reported by thousands of players (surely I am not the only one reporting bugs am I? so considerinng these bugs are there since I started playing in 2016, hundreds is lowball, there were possibly thousands of reports) and they are there for years and CCP is not even trying to fix them. Because monetization takes priority, more and more skins and packages and whatsnot (SKINR) are added for us to pay more and more cash or spend more PLEX (that someone has to buy for cash first). I would love to be loyal boot licker like you, but I am realist and I have experiences with coding and basically every other part of the gaming industry except HR lol. So I can spot a bad code and design when I see one. ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2025, 8:36pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/im-tired-of-the-low-quality-coding/503917/57 "2025-12-31T20:36:04Z")
> [@Vokan\_Narkar](#): > > I would love to be loyal boot licker like you Bro, I’m sorry I ganked you again, but your alliance leader made it very clear he wants to be hostile, and I’m just so sorry that I’m a PvP player who shoots people when they are in a hostile alliance. Why wouldn’t I? There’s just no need to be so salty at me for years. Like, I’m so sorry you got scammed back in 2018, but that was before I even came to the game. What did the Venture contest ever have to do with me? Anyways, I think if you blocked me in game, you should have enough sense to not try and insult me in the forums. If you don’t want to talk to me, stop talking about me. Yes, I’m enjoying EvE very much, but that doesn’t make me a bootlicker. Maybe you should try running an appropriate number of accounts for your computer. The problem isn’t that CCP is bad at computer programming, it’s just that you are bad at balancing your goals against technical realities. o7 capsuleer! > [@Vokan\_Narkar](#): > > I am realist and I have experiences with coding 🙄 🤓 🙄 ---
**Author:** ![Vokan\_Narkar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/vokan_narkar/32/326293_2.png) [@Vokan\_Narkar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Vokan_Narkar)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2025, 9:00pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/im-tired-of-the-low-quality-coding/503917/58 "2025-12-31T21:00:38Z")
> [@Aiko\_Danuja](#): > > Bro, I’m sorry I ganked you again World is not rotating around you honey. I don’t give a ■■■■ about your antiganking alliance. So you saved one miner that I was about to kill, who cares. I found another few minutes later. Couldn’t care less. I am not so petty nor salty to disagree with you on the forum just because we met and interacted ingame. You might be doing that, but not me. I simply discuss here free of personal emotions. I know that you might find it odd because you clearly don’t do that, but some of us who are here on forums do discuss objectively. Btw I stopped reading this paragraph after the line I quoted. I bet it is the same nonsense where you try to put emotions into my loss and call me salty, angry and where you try to mock my alliance and try to offer me a better one, yours. You are like a broken record. > [@Aiko\_Danuja](#): > > 🙄 🤓 🙄 Oh yes. That is the only argument you CCP bootlickers always use. No need to add anything. ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2025, 9:02pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/im-tired-of-the-low-quality-coding/503917/59 "2025-12-31T21:02:59Z")
> [@Vokan\_Narkar](#): > > Couldn’t care less. You care a lot, and it’s cringe you are too immature to talk about your feelings. I’m here if you change your mind, until then I will consider you hostile. Good luck out there buddy. ---
**Author:** ![Andlaust](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/andlaust/32/422007_2.png) [@Andlaust](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Andlaust)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2025, 9:32pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/im-tired-of-the-low-quality-coding/503917/60 "2025-12-31T21:32:27Z")
> [@Vokan\_Narkar](#): > > I am not so petty nor salty that’s a lot of text for someone who’s not salty… ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2025, 9:33pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/im-tired-of-the-low-quality-coding/503917/61 "2025-12-31T21:33:23Z")
I like the part where he repeatedly calls me a bootlicker, while pretending that he isn’t letting emotions dictate his replies. 🤪 [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/im-tired-of-the-low-quality-coding/503917.md?page=2) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/im-tired-of-the-low-quality-coding/503917.md?page=4)