# Imperial Pharmacy's miner militia is mobilizing for crusade **URL:** \ **Category:** Intergalactic Summit\ **Created:** [August 3, 2018, 4:39am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/imperial-pharmacys-miner-militia-is-mobilizing-for-crusade/94886 "2018-08-03T04:39:26Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2018, 5:17am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/imperial-pharmacys-miner-militia-is-mobilizing-for-crusade/94886/41 "2018-08-10T05:17:02Z")
They’re a cruiser-sized hull. ---
**Author:** ![Mizhara\_Del\_thul](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mizhara_del_thul/32/486150_2.png) [@Mizhara\_Del\_thul](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mizhara_Del_thul)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2018, 5:30am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/imperial-pharmacys-miner-militia-is-mobilizing-for-crusade/94886/42 "2018-08-10T05:30:58Z")
178m on average, which is higher than my own. Not by much, but still. The frightening thing is that we still have a pretty decent isk efficiency. ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2018, 5:36am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/imperial-pharmacys-miner-militia-is-mobilizing-for-crusade/94886/43 "2018-08-10T05:36:58Z")
> [@Isha\_Vuld](#): > > You seem to know that and are just lashing out for the sake of being edgy Or, you know, Mizhara could be one of those people who really despises it when people gang up on one person to mock that person for something while the group is guilty of far worse. Sure, ISK efficiency is a thing. But speaking as someone whose job it is to design the doctrines a coalition uses? It’s a _stupid_ thing. ISK efficiency gets measured by who killed what in this fight. And that’s nonsense. The only true measure of ‘ISK efficiency’ is how your expenditures compare to your budget. Either your losses are recoverable and well within your budget, or they’re not. If they are? Who _gives_ a fedo fart if the other guy is being more ‘ISK efficient’ on a killboard than you are? It’s like comparing a PIE fleet to the fleet that won in X47 a week and change ago. We lost 28 titans. We lost 4.7 Trillion ISK to the other side’s 4.0 Trillion ISK. We _won_. ISK efficiency meant _nothing_. We took the objective, and we forced them to cede the field. And then we _handed out 28 more titans_. And the other 2700 ships we lost. Because we can. And we can do that at least a few more times if we have to. And no, this isn’t ‘see how awesome we are’, it’s ‘see how ridiculous your metric is’. If Vaari can’t afford to lose Skiffs? Then yeah, it’s irresponsible of him to risk the financial well-being of his organization. If he _can_? Then good on him for risking Skiffs. How close to your margins are _you_ running? How responsible for U’K’s balance sheet are you? ‘ISK efficiency’ the way killboards measure it is a _joke_. ---
**Author:** ![Valerie\_Valate](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/valerie_valate/32/386231_2.png) [@Valerie\_Valate](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Valerie_Valate)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2018, 5:43am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/imperial-pharmacys-miner-militia-is-mobilizing-for-crusade/94886/44 "2018-08-10T05:43:00Z")
I’m not sure if barges or exhumers can enter complexes, other than the ungated ones, or the gated one with no restrictions. They’re classified differently from Industrials. Industrial ships can enter smaller ones, there was a brief fad for sending in Badgers with unfitted Drakes in cargo, because even unfitted, a Drake had enough shield strength to be a nuisance sponge for long enough for backup to arrive. ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2018, 6:05am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/imperial-pharmacys-miner-militia-is-mobilizing-for-crusade/94886/45 "2018-08-10T06:05:36Z")
> [@Mizhara\_Del\_thul](#): > > The frightening thing is that we still have a pretty decent isk efficiency. Do we? That’s kinda freaky, especially since most of the time, I’ll only show up if I lose a ship. Lessee where I come in compared to some other folks in here… Huh. Ain’t _that_ interesting? ---
**Author:** ![Utari\_Onzo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/utari_onzo/32/378493_2.png) [@Utari\_Onzo](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Utari_Onzo)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2018, 6:48am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/imperial-pharmacys-miner-militia-is-mobilizing-for-crusade/94886/46 "2018-08-10T06:48:35Z")
I deal with folks on who they are and what they do rather then by their killboard, unless it’s topical. I also can’t bad mouth skiffs, for my birthday one time under Jay Joringer, we baited out fights with mining vessels to great success. ---
**Author:** ![Isha\_Vuld](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/isha_vuld/32/470113_2.png) [@Isha\_Vuld](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Isha_Vuld)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2018, 5:24pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/imperial-pharmacys-miner-militia-is-mobilizing-for-crusade/94886/47 "2018-08-16T17:24:19Z")
Vaari was actually sighted in a warzone system today, unfortunately only on public channels as neither he nor his skiffs where seen. Oh where are you? I mean, good of you to actually come out here, but staying docked in stations hardly counts as a crusade! ---
**Author:** ![Vaari](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/vaari/32/373419_2.png) [@Vaari](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Vaari)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2018, 5:52pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/imperial-pharmacys-miner-militia-is-mobilizing-for-crusade/94886/48 "2018-08-16T17:52:25Z")
Nor is the crusade to attack alone against 15-20 enemy. ---
**Author:** ![Utari\_Onzo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/utari_onzo/32/378493_2.png) [@Utari\_Onzo](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Utari_Onzo)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2018, 6:05pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/imperial-pharmacys-miner-militia-is-mobilizing-for-crusade/94886/49 "2018-08-16T18:05:29Z")
15-20 in local system does not always equate to 15-20 pilots active and undocked. You may need to brush up on your skills at using the ships Directional Scanner to tell what’s really out there. ---
**Author:** ![Isha\_Vuld](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/isha_vuld/32/470113_2.png) [@Isha\_Vuld](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Isha_Vuld)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2018, 10:42pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/imperial-pharmacys-miner-militia-is-mobilizing-for-crusade/94886/50 "2018-08-16T22:42:18Z")
> [@Vaari](#): > > Nor is the crusade to attack alone against 15-20 enemy. I thought you had a fleet of battle skiffs? Well, maybe next time, eh? ---
**Author:** ![Deitra\_Vess](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/deitra_vess/32/249726_2.png) [@Deitra\_Vess](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Deitra_Vess)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2018, 11:35pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/imperial-pharmacys-miner-militia-is-mobilizing-for-crusade/94886/51 "2018-08-16T23:35:47Z")
What happened to this notion of a light surrounded by darkness lighting the world? I would think your god would delight in it’s subjects defeating their enemies while surrounded… ---
**Author:** ![Renelle\_Ronuken](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/renelle_ronuken/32/165790_2.png) [@Renelle\_Ronuken](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Renelle_Ronuken)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2018, 1:54am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/imperial-pharmacys-miner-militia-is-mobilizing-for-crusade/94886/52 "2018-08-17T01:54:37Z")
Indeed! It isn’t enough to just _have_ a fleet of war skiffs. It could pop off at any time; he’s gotta stay ready! ---
**Author:** ![Vaari](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/vaari/32/373419_2.png) [@Vaari](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Vaari)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2018, 1:59pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/imperial-pharmacys-miner-militia-is-mobilizing-for-crusade/94886/53 "2018-08-17T13:59:07Z")
Moments ago my battle skiff encountered its first enemies and won. TLF lost armageddon and few frigates ---
**Author:** ![Mizhara\_Del\_thul](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mizhara_del_thul/32/486150_2.png) [@Mizhara\_Del\_thul](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mizhara_Del_thul)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2018, 2:10pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/imperial-pharmacys-miner-militia-is-mobilizing-for-crusade/94886/54 "2018-08-17T14:10:29Z")
Far be it from me to cast doubt upon the Golden Shower, but I can find no such records anywhere. Largest thing Skiffs were confirmed involved in fighting (and winning against) the last two days were a couple of suicide Coercers and a Wolf out in Geminate. It is frankly a bit of an oddity that no one involved wouldn’t be feeding their combat data to statistics portals. The last recorded combat encounter for Imperial Pharmacy was a lost shuttle several months ago. The last confirmed combat you personally was in, was even longer ago, when you had a Bestower turned into a nice little loot box in Sirppala. I suggest uploading all such combat encounter data to the appropriate galnet portals, or the claims might be taken as… lacking veracity. EDIT: Hah! I’ll be damned, he is absolutely correct. The data stream must have been delayed. It’s confirmed, The Golden Shower just took on a battleship in a Skiff. … with a fleet of actual combat ships alongside, but nonetheless. He brought it on field and… contributed. Edit Edit: Okay, this is the point where the surreality of New Eden just… can not be denied. Vaari the Golden Shower, is in the Pendulum Pretense. He undocks a bloody _battle Skiff_, and proceeds to join in on a battleship kill. I mean, the target is clearly on the level of a concussed marmot if their statistics are taken into account and he was pretty much inconsequential to the end result but this… this is just _beautiful._ Bloody ridiculous and beautiful. I fuckin’ can’t. This is enough IGS for today. New Eden has gone full tilt. ---
**Author:** ![Vaari](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/vaari/32/373419_2.png) [@Vaari](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Vaari)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2018, 2:19pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/imperial-pharmacys-miner-militia-is-mobilizing-for-crusade/94886/55 "2018-08-17T14:19:51Z")
Small contribution towards armageddon is because I was actually ambushed. I was fighting frigates off while waiting fellow crusaders to help me. When other enemy ships were showed off, I was free to attack armageddon. I had 40% of hull left. Luckily Skiff is hull tanked. ---
**Author:** ![Utari\_Onzo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/utari_onzo/32/378493_2.png) [@Utari\_Onzo](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Utari_Onzo)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2018, 2:55pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/imperial-pharmacys-miner-militia-is-mobilizing-for-crusade/94886/56 "2018-08-17T14:55:37Z")
Ha! Well done for contributing none the less, Lord Vaari ---
**Author:** ![Renelle\_Ronuken](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/renelle_ronuken/32/165790_2.png) [@Renelle\_Ronuken](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Renelle_Ronuken)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2018, 3:01pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/imperial-pharmacys-miner-militia-is-mobilizing-for-crusade/94886/57 "2018-08-17T15:01:18Z")
I’m less than impressed by the circumstances, but I am impressed by the nerve of this guy, I must admit. Are the size of his balls contributing to that hull tank? > [@Mizhara\_Del\_thul](#): > > New Eden has gone tits up I improved it for you. ---
**Author:** ![Isha\_Vuld](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/isha_vuld/32/470113_2.png) [@Isha\_Vuld](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Isha_Vuld)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2018, 5:09pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/imperial-pharmacys-miner-militia-is-mobilizing-for-crusade/94886/58 "2018-08-17T17:09:04Z")
He actually did it. The absolute madman. ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2018, 5:20pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/imperial-pharmacys-miner-militia-is-mobilizing-for-crusade/94886/59 "2018-08-17T17:20:46Z")
I’m a bit surprised at the hull tank, but… yeah, skiffs are actually solid tacklers with good drone performance and the room for some utility highs. ---
**Author:** ![Kalaratiri](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kalaratiri/32/477189_2.png) [@Kalaratiri](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kalaratiri)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2018, 5:21pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/imperial-pharmacys-miner-militia-is-mobilizing-for-crusade/94886/60 "2018-08-17T17:21:47Z")
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