# Improvement suggestions to reignite this great game **URL:** \ **Category:** Player Features & Ideas\ **Created:** [August 12, 2024, 2:08pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/improvement-suggestions-to-reignite-this-great-game/458440 "2024-08-12T14:08:25Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Vuhdo\_Rin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/vuhdo_rin/32/378868_2.png) [@Vuhdo\_Rin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Vuhdo_Rin)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2024, 9:34am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/improvement-suggestions-to-reignite-this-great-game/458440/83 "2024-08-14T09:34:30Z")
> [@stefnia\_Freir](#): > > He will play on words and make the stupid claim that “when jita undocks lasted 20s” means it never lasted more. You came up with a specific example and i just answered to this specific example xD Your the only one who claimed stuff and then as you notice that other ppl see youre wronh then you always start flipping your words and insuld and / or discredit other ppl because the, are correct xD Btw… your the only one who play on words 😉 But thats your task as troll ! > [@stefnia\_Freir](#): > > he will repeat the same thing You mean exacly like you do ? Until any ISD comes and delete your repeadly spam xD ? ---
**Author:** ![Vuhdo\_Rin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/vuhdo_rin/32/378868_2.png) [@Vuhdo\_Rin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Vuhdo_Rin)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2024, 9:40am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/improvement-suggestions-to-reignite-this-great-game/458440/84 "2024-08-14T09:40:35Z")
> [@Gerard\_Amatin](#): > > My previous PC doesn’t care what you think, it sometimes took longer than 30 seconds to undock. As i said, maybe in some individuel cases could this happen. I just dont think its usualy take more then this 30 sec… Maybe i never exeperianced this because i never had a potato PC 😉 ---
**Author:** ![QuakeGod](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/quakegod/32/480339_2.png) [@QuakeGod](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/QuakeGod)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2024, 1:12pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/improvement-suggestions-to-reignite-this-great-game/458440/85 "2024-08-14T13:12:01Z")
> [@Syzygium](#): > > The main benefit are undenyable client performance improvements and even energy/heat/pollution savings Ctrl + Shift + F9 turns off all graphics besides the HUD while you are docked. It’s that simple. If you want to “save power” and “increase performance”, that feature already exists… ---
**Author:** ![stefnia\_Freir](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/stefnia_freir/32/390048_2.png) [@stefnia\_Freir](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/stefnia_Freir)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2024, 1:32pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/improvement-suggestions-to-reignite-this-great-game/458440/86 "2024-08-14T13:32:20Z")
When Jita was crowded with MTUs and mobile depots, turning to minimum effects was not enough. People forget how much of a cancer it was. Almost as cancerous as the interventions of the vuhdo. remember that it needed to load every corporation, alliance, that had any anchorable on grid, to load their standing, icon, description, information. The graphical model was not an issue, as a second undock usually was ok. ---
**Author:** ![Syzygium](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/syzygium/32/510263_2.png) [@Syzygium](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Syzygium)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2024, 1:40pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/improvement-suggestions-to-reignite-this-great-game/458440/87 "2024-08-14T13:40:17Z")
> [@QuakeGod](#): > > Ctrl + Shift + F9 turns off all graphics besides the HUD while you are docked. It’s that simple. If you want to “save power” and “increase performance”, that feature already exists… It’s not the same and you should know that, people don’t want to see a black screen with buttons while docked. And especially people aren’t wanting to constantly manually switching graphic modes between docking and undocking. It isn’t like anyone said “people do want to save energy!” as their main focus. It’s a _side effect_, a beneficial one many people would chose if they had the option to. But you are basically suggesting to “just walk!” in a discussion about more fuel-efficient engines. So please, stop making a fool of yourself. If you can name a single _clear disadvantage_ that would outweight possible benefit, name it. So far it looks like you can’t. ---
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2024, 3:02pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/improvement-suggestions-to-reignite-this-great-game/458440/88 "2024-08-14T15:02:06Z")
> [@stefnia\_Freir](#): > > Except I did not. By what ludicrous twisting of the English language can the following NOT be a claim ??? **“Ganking can affect significantly and negatively new player retention without CCP being able tyo realize it.”** Seriously…to make what is clearly a claim and then completely deny that it is even a claim is just the most ridiculous level of trolling imaginable. To which you now wish to add gaslighting as well. ---
**Author:** ![stefnia\_Freir](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/stefnia_freir/32/390048_2.png) [@stefnia\_Freir](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/stefnia_Freir)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2024, 3:10pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/improvement-suggestions-to-reignite-this-great-game/458440/89 "2024-08-14T15:10:30Z")
> [@Altara\_Zemara](#): > > By what ludicrous twisting of the English language can the following NOT be a claim ??? This is not the claim that you pretend I made , which was : > [@Altara\_Zemara](#): > > if CCP don’t know it , **how do you** And that’s why I asked you > [@stefnia\_Freir](#): > > And where am I pretending that I know, exactly ? So no, I did not make _that_ claim that you pretend I made. > [@Altara\_Zemara](#): > > and then completely deny that it is even a claim Another thing that you pretend I did , but I did not. You are the one gaslighting with false quote here. I did not claim I know something CCP does not know. I did not pretend I made no claim. You literally remove my quote from its context to make it mean something different. Because in the context I was only answering to your > if CCP don’t know it , **how do you** As I already had done. ---
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2024, 3:12pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/improvement-suggestions-to-reignite-this-great-game/458440/90 "2024-08-14T15:12:21Z")
My God…you make Shakespeare’s ‘tangled web’ look positively free from knots. ---
**Author:** ![stefnia\_Freir](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/stefnia_freir/32/390048_2.png) [@stefnia\_Freir](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/stefnia_Freir)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2024, 3:13pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/improvement-suggestions-to-reignite-this-great-game/458440/91 "2024-08-14T15:13:11Z")
and you try very hard to not acknowledge your mistake. so again : > [@stefnia\_Freir](#): > > And where am I pretending that I know, exactly ? This is my argument that you ignored and decided to go false quotes and personal attacks instead. ---
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2024, 3:20pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/improvement-suggestions-to-reignite-this-great-game/458440/92 "2024-08-14T15:20:27Z")
I’m not clear what part of common standard English you fail to grasp… If I say ‘People CAN see pink fluffy unicorns on the Moon without NASA being able to verify it’…then I am making a claim that people ‘can’ see pink fluffy unicorns on the Moon. Exactly the same sort of claim is being made with your ‘CAN’ in this statement… **“Ganking can affect significantly and negatively new player retention without CCP being able tyo realize it.”** I quite simply and logically asked… “if CCP don’t know it , **how do you** ” To which you have now spent several dozen posts evading giving an answer. How about answering the question rather than gaslighting ?? ---
**Author:** ![stefnia\_Freir](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/stefnia_freir/32/390048_2.png) [@stefnia\_Freir](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/stefnia_Freir)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2024, 3:27pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/improvement-suggestions-to-reignite-this-great-game/458440/93 "2024-08-14T15:27:38Z")
> [@Altara\_Zemara](#): > > …then I am making a claim that people ‘can’ see pink fluffy unicorns on the Moon. No you are not. That would only be the case if you said “People see pink fluffy unicorns on the Moon **AND** NASA is not able to verify it” This is basic logic. So no, “there can be issues in the game that CCP does not realize” does not mean I realize all of them. ---
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2024, 3:38pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/improvement-suggestions-to-reignite-this-great-game/458440/94 "2024-08-14T15:38:10Z")
> [@stefnia\_Freir](#): > > So no, “there can be issues in the game that CCP does not realize” does not mean I realize all of them. No, you did not simply say issues in the game, you made the claim ‘affect significantly’. Where is your ‘affect significantly’ coming from when you now claim you yourself dont realize the issues ?? How can you make the claim that something ‘can’ affect significantly when you now admit you actually actually have no idea whether it ‘can’ or not. Stop lecturing on ‘logic’ when you don’t seem to have a clue what logic is. ---
**Author:** ![stefnia\_Freir](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/stefnia_freir/32/390048_2.png) [@stefnia\_Freir](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/stefnia_Freir)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2024, 3:40pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/improvement-suggestions-to-reignite-this-great-game/458440/95 "2024-08-14T15:40:28Z")
> [@Altara\_Zemara](#): > > Where is your ‘affect significantly’ coming from From the context . This was in the message I was answering to, that you completely ignored to make out of context quotes : > [@Sasha\_Nemtsov](#): > > if ganking significantly and negatively affected new player retention numbers - CCP would get rid of it rather quickly, and without apology. This message would be logical IF CCP knew of all the things that can “affect significantly” the game, as we both consider it reasonable that they get rid of the bad issues they know of. Again, logic 101. > [@Altara\_Zemara](#): > > when you now claim you yourself dont realize the issues ?? I did not claim that either. > [@Altara\_Zemara](#): > > How can you make the claim that something ‘can’ affect significantly That is not the claim I made. > [@Altara\_Zemara](#): > > Stop lecturing on ‘logic’ when you don’t seem to have a clue what logic is. Says the one who makes up claims. ---
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2024, 3:42pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/improvement-suggestions-to-reignite-this-great-game/458440/96 "2024-08-14T15:42:13Z")
OK…well I’ve had enough of your gaslighting anyway. Time I just blocked you. ---
**Author:** ![Vokan\_Narkar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/vokan_narkar/32/326293_2.png) [@Vokan\_Narkar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Vokan_Narkar)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2024, 5:10pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/improvement-suggestions-to-reignite-this-great-game/458440/97 "2024-08-14T17:10:39Z")
> [@Syzygium](#): > > If you can do a ‘view outside’ on upwell citadels and it is considered useful there, there is little that speaks against having that feature on NPCstations as well. Good solutions shall find ways to more areas of the game. Its up to the players if and how they want to make use of it. It exists, but it is completely useless for intel purposes. You won’t see any ships outside afai-tried. ---
**Author:** ![Vokan\_Narkar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/vokan_narkar/32/326293_2.png) [@Vokan\_Narkar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Vokan_Narkar)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2024, 5:20pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/improvement-suggestions-to-reignite-this-great-game/458440/98 "2024-08-14T17:20:48Z")
> [@Syzygium](#): > > It’s not the same and you should know that, people don’t want to see a black screen with buttons while docked. I am not against view outside from NPC stations button. But I have to agree with @QuakeGod on the power consumption argument. If someone is playing on a low-end laptop or something like that and he has problem with loading times, fans overheating etc. such player should either upgrade his HW or accept that he is going to have to play with minimal graphical settings and even black screen. I mean you don’t have to play with black screen all the time, if you have problems undocking, then use it only before undocking and reset it back once you safely undock. It will be much faster solution that “view outside” too. I disliked from the start all these graphical and UI updates that made game 10x more CPU and RAM expensive to run than before when most of us are playing completely zoomed out anyway, but I understand that it might have been needed to lure new players. I just hope it worked… And there was a lot of peoples applauding this and nobody really complained so that is on us too. ---
**Author:** ![Syzygium](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/syzygium/32/510263_2.png) [@Syzygium](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Syzygium)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2024, 7:14pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/improvement-suggestions-to-reignite-this-great-game/458440/99 "2024-08-14T19:14:37Z")
While your points aren’t wrong by themselves, they miss the point. It is completely irrelevant what other options people could use to increase their performance or solve heat or lag problems. The point is that you need to compare two possible scenarios: a) an EVE Online without this feature vs. b) an EVE Online with this feature and ask a simple question: Would it make EVE Online better? The answer is clearly “yes” because the feature already exists in the game for Upwell stations anyway, so implementing it for NPC stations doesn’t require any noticable development effort and it _clearly_ has benefits, while having _no drawbacks_. And since it’s optional, anyone who doesn’t want it and still wants to see the interior can simply ignore it. All other discussions about upgrading hardware or lowering graphic settings or this or that are just strawmen, ignoring the simply fact that the suggesion _has noticable benefits_ over the current situation and that is more than enough for considering it for implementation. ---
**Author:** ![Vokan\_Narkar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/vokan_narkar/32/326293_2.png) [@Vokan\_Narkar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Vokan_Narkar)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2024, 10:02pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/improvement-suggestions-to-reignite-this-great-game/458440/100 "2024-08-14T22:02:03Z")
Fair enough. However the current implementation of view outside is utterly useless. Which is probably a counterargument to those who don’t want it because it would be too powerful perhaps. I don’t think it would though - if there are enemies waiting for undock and they are in local and not in your station, it is safe to assume that they are still there. And undocking to verify is usually not so big deal. Even in kicker stations, undocking in capsule is an option. ---
**Author:** ![stefnia\_Freir](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/stefnia_freir/32/390048_2.png) [@stefnia\_Freir](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/stefnia_Freir)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2024, 11:06pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/improvement-suggestions-to-reignite-this-great-game/458440/101 "2024-08-14T23:06:33Z")
> [@Vokan\_Narkar](#): > > Even in kicker stations, undocking in capsule is an option. Which makes a good km when the target forgets to swap clone. ---
**Author:** ![system](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/4/1/41ec4921cbaca7a6f9ea556e7cc20018461eae5e.png) [@system](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2024, 11:07pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/improvement-suggestions-to-reignite-this-great-game/458440/102 "2024-11-12T23:07:22Z")
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