# Improving The Foundation - Directx 9 Phase Out **URL:** \ **Category:** Dev Blogs\ **Tags:** official, devblog\ **Created:** [November 24, 2021, 3:00pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/improving-the-foundation-directx-9-phase-out/338616 "2021-11-24T15:00:01Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Shipwreck\_Jones](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/shipwreck_jones/32/274382_2.png) [@Shipwreck\_Jones](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Shipwreck_Jones)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2021, 11:33pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/improving-the-foundation-directx-9-phase-out/338616/94 "2021-11-24T23:33:01Z")
> [@Cypherous](#): > > Yeah its been long overdue, finally time to take DX9 out back and put it out of its misery Meh, I’m too lazy to edit it. So, replace Fortnight and Apex Legends with DX9 and DX12 in your mind. [![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/7/9/7/79775039df9838365e6ae292a627f6dc693e8017.jpeg "Apex cucks Fortnite") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vzol_V-Evqw) ---
**Author:** ![Shipwreck\_Jones](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/shipwreck_jones/32/274382_2.png) [@Shipwreck\_Jones](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Shipwreck_Jones)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2021, 11:45pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/improving-the-foundation-directx-9-phase-out/338616/95 "2021-11-24T23:45:22Z")
> [@Zoiie](#): > > Sob story for them then. Just a suggestion, maybe try to muster up an ounce of sympathy for your fellow players. And, maybe stop trying to highjack this thread in order to push your agenda. Edit: Post was flagged for being off-topic. But I’m literally calling someone out for trying to highjack the thread. I am going to remove the personal bit, however. ---
**Author:** ![Rusty\_X5](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/rusty_x5/32/292590_2.png) [@Rusty\_X5](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Rusty_X5)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2021, 11:49pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/improving-the-foundation-directx-9-phase-out/338616/96 "2021-11-24T23:49:24Z")
Well, i’m glad CCP seem to have ‘fixed’ whatever they messed with the directX when they launched the ‘apple mac launcher update’. Can confirm my laptop now plays normally, back on dx11, no white screen. Glad it’s fixed because i’m still on the fence when it comes to continuing subbing my accounts after these new mining changes, and having the game unplayable on my 5 yo laptop would have made the decision alot easier. Still waiting on a reply from ticket EBR-225207, but whatever I guess…fixed now. ---
**Author:** ![Rusty\_X5](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/rusty_x5/32/292590_2.png) [@Rusty\_X5](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Rusty_X5)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2021, 11:54pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/improving-the-foundation-directx-9-phase-out/338616/97 "2021-11-24T23:54:23Z")
Because without DX9, the eve client would have been unplayable for ALOT of people after the ‘apple mac launcher update’ cause CCP broke something. Its fixed now…no idea when they did it, but I was swapping between dx 9 and 11 on my laptop for 2-3 weeks after that update and it still wasnt working, so i’ve just left it on dx9 ever since. ---
**Author:** ![Kanashio\_Koroshi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kanashio_koroshi/32/382581_2.png) [@Kanashio\_Koroshi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kanashio_Koroshi)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2021, 12:07am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/improving-the-foundation-directx-9-phase-out/338616/98 "2021-11-25T00:07:31Z")
I think you might have supported that longer than…anyone else still actively working on their product. I love you all for that, being that EvE runs on just about anything, but I can certainly understand slimming out some legacy code, particularly given the beauty of your support for Metal on Mac OS. ---
**Author:** ![Shipwreck\_Jones](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/shipwreck_jones/32/274382_2.png) [@Shipwreck\_Jones](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Shipwreck_Jones)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2021, 12:17am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/improving-the-foundation-directx-9-phase-out/338616/99 "2021-11-25T00:17:29Z")
I cobble together “gaming rigs” from parted out computers, and parts that have been upgraded, in order to give to the children of family and friends whose parents can’t afford to buy them a gaming computer. Moreover, I’ve been doing “upgrade chains,” where if someone I know gets a new graphcis card, I’ll put his old one in someone else’s computer, and then put that old card in another computer, and so on and so forth. Now, it has been a while since I’ve given away a system/card that was only DX9 compatible, but I also live in a relatively rich country. And, as Jaurl pointed out, now is a terrible time to buy even an older graphics card. Naturally, CCP is in the best position to determine whether or not now is the right time for them as a company to drop support, but that still doesn’t change the fact that this will make things extremely difficult for the DX9 users who cannot justify an upgrade at this time. So, while I won’t argue against CCP’s decision, I do have sympathy for the people who are negatively impacted by this. The good news is, is that I’ve seen players send computer parts to their friends and corpies in order to help them out before. So, hopefully this trend will continue. ---
**Author:** ![Cypherous](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cypherous/32/499883_2.png) [@Cypherous](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Cypherous)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2021, 12:44am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/improving-the-foundation-directx-9-phase-out/338616/100 "2021-11-25T00:44:08Z")
> [@Shipwreck\_Jones](#): > > So, while I won’t argue against CCP’s decision, I do have sympathy for the people who are negatively impacted by this. Yeah it sucks for the people affected, thankfully its a minor number and some of those might just be legacy installs that were left on DX9 even though they had a DX10/11 card etc The GPU shortage is going to hurt a little ---
**Author:** ![Juan\_Rotsuda](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/juan_rotsuda/32/377612_2.png) [@Juan\_Rotsuda](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Juan_Rotsuda)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2021, 1:40am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/improving-the-foundation-directx-9-phase-out/338616/101 "2021-11-25T01:40:54Z")
I am stuck with a Radeon HD 6850 that doesn’t even support DX12 for the foreseeable future, so while this scares me, I should be alright. Win10 was intolerable on my i7-2600 until I got an SSD and upgraded from 8gb to 24gb of RAM, so this system will chug on a bit longer. ---
**Author:** ![Mkikaden\_Tiragen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mkikaden_tiragen/32/243913_2.png) [@Mkikaden\_Tiragen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mkikaden_Tiragen)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2021, 3:03am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/improving-the-foundation-directx-9-phase-out/338616/105 "2021-11-25T03:03:20Z")
This person’s confusion was already addressed. Why are you still harping on them? ---
**Author:** ![Xiombarg\_Ohmsford](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xiombarg_ohmsford/32/172425_2.png) [@Xiombarg\_Ohmsford](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xiombarg_Ohmsford)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2021, 4:23am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/improving-the-foundation-directx-9-phase-out/338616/106 "2021-11-25T04:23:21Z")
CCP finally roasted the potato. ---
**Author:** ![CCP\_Darwin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ccp_darwin/32/464013_2.png) [@CCP\_Darwin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/CCP_Darwin)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2021, 5:04am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/improving-the-foundation-directx-9-phase-out/338616/107 "2021-11-25T05:04:11Z")
Glad your issue is fixed! Just a note: bug reports don’t usually get an individual response unless we need more information. If you need individual assistance, you should open a support ticket. It’s appropriate to open both if necessary. ---
**Author:** ![Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/geo_eclipse_oksaras/32/500781_2.png) [@Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Geo_Eclipse_Oksaras)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2021, 8:35am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/improving-the-foundation-directx-9-phase-out/338616/109 "2021-11-25T08:35:22Z")
Except windows users rarely cry over having to get a new os. I sure didn’t. But there are those who are oblivious to the fact that not all programs age well. Diablo 3 prime example. Still some ppl with a ps3 asking for support when blizzard made it clear before release it would have limited support. ---
**Author:** ![Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/geo_eclipse_oksaras/32/500781_2.png) [@Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Geo_Eclipse_Oksaras)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2021, 8:50am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/improving-the-foundation-directx-9-phase-out/338616/111 "2021-11-25T08:50:54Z")
You’re the only one obsessing over windows 7. This isn’t the topic for that obsession of yours. ---
**Author:** ![Tonto\_Auri](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tonto_auri/32/388339_2.png) [@Tonto\_Auri](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Tonto_Auri)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2021, 8:51am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/improving-the-foundation-directx-9-phase-out/338616/112 "2021-11-25T08:51:49Z")
> [@Zoiie](#): > > According to the stats I see for gaming platforms, the number of W7 users is tiny compared to W10. Absolutely TINY. Miniscule. I have posted them on my other main topic for W10 for minimum. “Other gaming platforms” are not relevant when we discuss support for a specific game. CCP has its own metrics on which they could base their decision. They are dropping Dx9 support, when usage dropped way below 1% across _their_ playebase. Not some abstract internet metrics. ---
**Author:** ![Zoiie](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zoiie/32/292363_2.png) [@Zoiie](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zoiie)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2021, 8:52am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/improving-the-foundation-directx-9-phase-out/338616/113 "2021-11-25T08:52:29Z")
It is the only metrics we have, however, if CCP wish to publish their stats, please do. It would clear up a LOT. We’ve been asking for their stats for years. And Steam is not abstract, it’s real and VERY representative of the gamer community with 25m users. Steam is no lightweight. It’s not just CCP dropping DX9, many companies are dumping it. ---
**Author:** ![Tonto\_Auri](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tonto_auri/32/388339_2.png) [@Tonto\_Auri](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Tonto_Auri)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2021, 8:54am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/improving-the-foundation-directx-9-phase-out/338616/114 "2021-11-25T08:54:43Z")
> [@FORCY\_FUNTIMES\_MEATWATER](#): > > Hope they like retro viruses too! W7 is no longer receiving security updates. No amount of security updates would solve a problem of one brainless body at the keyboard. > [@Zoiie](#): > > Or browser updates 😃 or Steam updates. Browser is still updated, JFYI, and Steam is not a factor. ---
**Author:** ![Adm\_Malkaviano](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/adm_malkaviano/32/496610_2.png) [@Adm\_Malkaviano](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Adm_Malkaviano)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2021, 8:55am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/improving-the-foundation-directx-9-phase-out/338616/115 "2021-11-25T08:55:08Z")
My bad, I read her/his char description and could not hold myself. @Zoiie be fair, most companies do not support Linux directly. We are fine with Wine. ---
**Author:** ![Tonto\_Auri](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tonto_auri/32/388339_2.png) [@Tonto\_Auri](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Tonto_Auri)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2021, 8:56am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/improving-the-foundation-directx-9-phase-out/338616/117 "2021-11-25T08:56:14Z")
> [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > there’s a reason why older versions are still being used. I’ll let you on a secret: Because the new versions are unusable. ---
**Author:** ![Ogeko\_Nightwolf](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ogeko_nightwolf/32/401704_2.png) [@Ogeko\_Nightwolf](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ogeko_Nightwolf)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2021, 9:03am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/improving-the-foundation-directx-9-phase-out/338616/118 "2021-11-25T09:03:56Z")
A newbie like myself didn’t know that one could already disable directX\_9 and get a completely new directX\_11 visuals until this post - it’s a totally different experience 👍 Now it’s time to make a Linux version 😛 Don’t forget that all bling Macs in few years become obsolete pieces of hardware that could be rescued by a Ubuntu OS ---
**Author:** ![Tonto\_Auri](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tonto_auri/32/388339_2.png) [@Tonto\_Auri](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Tonto_Auri)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2021, 9:06am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/improving-the-foundation-directx-9-phase-out/338616/119 "2021-11-25T09:06:04Z")
They are telling you that Dx11 is not “being introduced”, as you said earlier, it IS a de facto default graphics engine base for the last seven years of EVE. So, your statement of potential compatibility issues in transitional period simply not valid. That transitional period is long since over. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/improving-the-foundation-directx-9-phase-out/338616.md?page=4) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/improving-the-foundation-directx-9-phase-out/338616.md?page=6)