# In the light of recent news **URL:** \ **Category:** Intergalactic Summit\ **Created:** [September 27, 2019, 8:37pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/in-the-light-of-recent-news/192732 "2019-09-27T20:37:17Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Elsebeth\_Rhiannon](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/elsebeth_rhiannon/32/418836_2.png) [@Elsebeth\_Rhiannon](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Elsebeth_Rhiannon)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2019, 6:46am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/in-the-light-of-recent-news/192732/21 "2019-09-28T06:46:45Z")
> [@Kril\_Efrit](#): > > Irresponsibility by capsuleer renegades clothing themselves in the rhetoric of tribal concern seems to be a bottomless well of troubles for our people. And the irresponsibility of our government, plunging us into an endless war of attrition on the warzone & performing a violent powergrab that’s now lead to the threat of civil war, while indeed _clothing themselves in the rhetoric of tribal concern_, endangers the _very existence_ of this nation, and of the free tribes. I was an appeaser once, Kril Efrit. My oath of loyalty is to the Republic, not to my tribe. Until the militia wars, I spoke for peace and for not provoking the enemy and treading lightly so as not to call down The War. I did believe we should make nice, and build, and get strong. But that was when I believed it was the path _to victory_. _Realpolitik_ is indeed a thing. Trust me, I know. But it is a tool, not a goal. We had a chance to use it once, but since then, we have entered a war of attrition against a vastly bigger enemy, and if we keep on this path, we _will lose_. Give me hope otherwise, and I will act accordingly. But I am desperate enough that threats will buy you nothing. Our people is in danger anyway. Better they face it than huddle in the dark, soothed by children’s tales about tribal greatness. _Never again another Long Night._ I remain, Elsebeth Shaninn, of Rhiannon, born Rhiannon Terror Harlot, pedding guns & rebellion across Holy Amarr Capsuleer Renegade, clothed in tribal concern ---
**Author:** ![Vaari](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/vaari/32/373419_2.png) [@Vaari](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Vaari)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2019, 8:33am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/in-the-light-of-recent-news/192732/22 "2019-09-28T08:33:26Z")
+Lady Rihannon+Lord Vaari (that is this unit)… _Tears himself out of his alliance industrial information links_ Ahem! _I, Lord Vaari, jarl of Sosan VII, high father of the Imperial Pharmacy, symbol of unchallenged victory, the world’s most beloved hero, self proclaimed prophet, morninglord, golden mountain, carrier of the Heaven’s light, teacher of pure faith, speaker of unquestioned truth, lion of the universe, vanquisher of all heretics, bane of the witches, the great miner and skilled industrialist, Living Saint of Amarr, Lord Fabricator of the Aegis Militia, Lord ecumenical patriarch of the Aegis Militia and the Shield of Miners._ Agree with my Good and close friend Lady Shaninn-Rhiannon the Unbroken. We should end this endless militia war. It only drains resources. Either we should bring the rebelling provinces back to the Empire, or freeze situation into status quo for now. Lets embago them or something, but end this never ending waste of ships and lives in the fields that do not matter. We are under attack against xenos and abhumans, who seems to be driven of our extinction. Perhaps our Empire should put more focus on that. ---
**Author:** ![Che\_Biko](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/che_biko/32/500836_2.png) [@Che\_Biko](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Che_Biko)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2019, 9:05am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/in-the-light-of-recent-news/192732/23 "2019-09-28T09:05:21Z")
It is the Empire bringing the war to Matar and all of the Republic’s territories that she is setting herself up for, right? In that case, I’m not so sure that the brunt of the burden will be on the capsuleers, or if the other Matari will see it that way. Efrit’s comments makes me think they will not. ---
**Author:** ![Samira\_Kernher](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/samira_kernher/32/244840_2.png) [@Samira\_Kernher](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Samira_Kernher)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2019, 9:32am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/in-the-light-of-recent-news/192732/24 "2019-09-28T09:32:46Z")
This is all certainly very provocative, but I really don’t see anything about Amarr’s actual stance towards the Republic changing. People in the Empire have been calling the Republic rebel provinces since forever. I believe one or two of the commanders were even using that term while talking to the press during that whole wormhole incident. It doesn’t change that we legally recognize the Republic’s sovereignty and are bound by CONCORD treaties. So, while I do think the term refers to all of the Republic, I think Lord Sakakibara is right about what it means _in practice_. Short of the empress choosing to leave CONCORD, which I really, really don’t expect her to do, this ruling is only going to affect governorship of the Minmatar EMWPA territories that have fallen to Amarrian control. ---
**Author:** ![Teinyhr](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/teinyhr/32/374406_2.png) [@Teinyhr](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Teinyhr)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2019, 11:40am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/in-the-light-of-recent-news/192732/25 "2019-09-28T11:40:29Z")
I also didn’t think that calling the Republic “rebel territories” was that controversial, that is standard terminology for the Amarr, except on particularly appeasing formal addresses. More controversial part of the announcement was the decentralization of fleet authorities, in my opinion. ---
**Author:** ![Elsebeth\_Rhiannon](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/elsebeth_rhiannon/32/418836_2.png) [@Elsebeth\_Rhiannon](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Elsebeth_Rhiannon)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2019, 11:55am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/in-the-light-of-recent-news/192732/26 "2019-09-28T11:55:02Z")
I think it is the combination, here - basically letting Ardishapur loose on the Republic, while stressing that they _are_ indeed rebel territories. Nothing has changed in practice, but the remarkable drop of all lip-service to independent nations and Empire control of major Houses is a change in itself. ---
**Author:** ![Samira\_Kernher](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/samira_kernher/32/244840_2.png) [@Samira\_Kernher](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Samira_Kernher)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2019, 12:25pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/in-the-light-of-recent-news/192732/27 "2019-09-28T12:25:07Z")
It is really raising the risk of civil war. If anything, it might _help_ the Republic. You now have a fractured Amarr that might spend more time fighting itself, or at least the houses might be afraid that they’ll be stabbed in the back by a rival house if they risk trying to invade the Republic. ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2019, 1:04pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/in-the-light-of-recent-news/192732/28 "2019-09-28T13:04:38Z")
I rather see the risk running the opposite way: With a new and direct mandate to oversee the ‘Rebel Provinces’, Sarum and Ardishapur might have to deal with political pressure to actually achieve results, lest Khanid see them as weak enough for the Kingdom to do what they just did to Kador, and start taking control of _their_ territories. ‘You’ve been given this task, why are you not carrying it out?’ ---
**Author:** ![Samira\_Kernher](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/samira_kernher/32/244840_2.png) [@Samira\_Kernher](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Samira_Kernher)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2019, 1:08pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/in-the-light-of-recent-news/192732/29 "2019-09-28T13:08:42Z")
Because as long as the Empire is bound to CONCORD treaties – which makes peace with the Republic Imperial law – the political pressure continues to fall squarely on the empress. You’re more likely to see pressure _from_ Sarum and Ardishapur families _towards_ Catiz to loosen the restrictions, rather than against them. ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2019, 1:17pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/in-the-light-of-recent-news/192732/30 "2019-09-28T13:17:59Z")
That depends entirely upon how strong Catiz’s grasp on power is, and what her goals—and those of her clearly-favored allies—are. ---
**Author:** ![Samira\_Kernher](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/samira_kernher/32/244840_2.png) [@Samira\_Kernher](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Samira_Kernher)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2019, 1:40pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/in-the-light-of-recent-news/192732/31 "2019-09-28T13:40:23Z")
> [@Arrendis](#): > > That depends entirely upon how strong Catiz’s grasp on power is… Weaker, now. Maybe the popularity boost this act will give her will push her up for the time-being, but in the long term this move is a disastrous one for her and the power of the Throne. ---
**Author:** ![Hevaima\_Gesakaarin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/hevaima_gesakaarin/32/167063_2.png) [@Hevaima\_Gesakaarin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Hevaima_Gesakaarin)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2019, 2:12pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/in-the-light-of-recent-news/192732/32 "2019-09-28T14:12:33Z")
I thought the move was shifting the costs of the CEWPMA conflict – in terms of garrisons and occupation forces – from the Imperial Throne, to the Sarum and Ardishapur families. In such a light, Empress Catiz I might have just bestowed a gift the recipients never asked for, or wanted, but cannot refuse lest they lose face. ---
**Author:** ![Jade\_Blackwind](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jade_blackwind/32/197719_2.png) [@Jade\_Blackwind](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jade_Blackwind)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2019, 2:54pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/in-the-light-of-recent-news/192732/33 "2019-09-28T14:54:41Z")
The Amarr still think they are stronger than us. Sure, come, you boring, gilded, shriveled things. Let the _cladistic proving_ commence. Let the Minmatar beat you back into the mouth of the EVE Gate. Do you remember, how the Amarrian loon Nauplius (Yes, a loon, and I speak this as someone who literally took a crushing blow to the head and spent the next ten years abusing every substance in the cluster) rambled once that the blood of the Brutor gives strength, blood of the Sebiestor gives Intelligence and the like? Well, surprise. He was right. In a way. Our strength, the gift of our ancestors, lies _in our blood_. If they come, the Tribes will prove it. Let the gilded posse have their war. I personally would be happy to die a thousand deaths fighting for Matar, even if the Mother cast me out and rejected a long, long time ago. Kill Amarr. Burn the Empire. And dance over the cinders, free. ---
**Author:** ![Tyrel\_Toov](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tyrel_toov/32/387953_2.png) [@Tyrel\_Toov](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Tyrel_Toov)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2019, 4:42am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/in-the-light-of-recent-news/192732/34 "2019-09-29T04:42:36Z")
As much as I’d love to agree with you here. It won’t be that easy. The best we could hope for in an all out war with the Amarr is mutually assured destruction with the use of what are considered underhanded tactics on our part. ---
**Author:** ![Elsebeth\_Rhiannon](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/elsebeth_rhiannon/32/418836_2.png) [@Elsebeth\_Rhiannon](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Elsebeth_Rhiannon)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2019, 5:24am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/in-the-light-of-recent-news/192732/35 "2019-09-29T05:24:14Z")
> [@Tyrel\_Toov](#): > > As much as I’d love to agree with you here. It won’t be that easy. The best we could hope for in an all out war with the Amarr is mutually assured destruction And the best we can achieve by a war of attrition against a vastly larger opponent is _our_ destruction without even the mutual part. To continue on our current path is to give up. As is, _we have already lost_, and what we can do then is prepare for evacuation of a few while we delay the inevitable. I want a Republic that is more than a Thukker buffer zone. Do you? ---
**Author:** ![Tyrel\_Toov](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tyrel_toov/32/387953_2.png) [@Tyrel\_Toov](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Tyrel_Toov)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2019, 7:06am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/in-the-light-of-recent-news/192732/36 "2019-09-29T07:06:45Z")
> [@Elsebeth\_Rhiannon](#): > > I want a Republic that is more than a Thukker buffer zone. Do you? Yeah, but I would like there to be a Republic for my children to grow up in. A full scale war isn’t very conducive for that goal, unless you have a way to win it. In that case I’m game. ---
**Author:** ![Diana\_Kim](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/diana_kim/32/382972_2.png) [@Diana\_Kim](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Diana_Kim)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2019, 9:49am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/in-the-light-of-recent-news/192732/37 "2019-09-29T09:49:55Z")
> [@Jade\_Blackwind](#): > > Kill Amarr. Burn the Empire. And dance over the cinders, free. For all those who wants to “dance free” or just want freedom, I can suggest as usual: Grab a shuttle, leave all your posessions behind, land on some indigenous planet full of wildlife, drop all your clothes and run naked, living with wild animals like a wild animal… … for there’s nothing human in the freedom. And that way you won’t have to burn or murder anyone over dumb ideals. ---
**Author:** ![Elsebeth\_Rhiannon](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/elsebeth_rhiannon/32/418836_2.png) [@Elsebeth\_Rhiannon](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Elsebeth_Rhiannon)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2019, 11:00am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/in-the-light-of-recent-news/192732/38 "2019-09-29T11:00:10Z")
> [@Tyrel\_Toov](#): > > Yeah, but I would like there to be a Republic for my children to grow up in. A full scale war isn’t very conducive for that goal, Neither is the current slow death, unless you are selfish enough to think that _their_ children won’t matter anymore. ---
**Author:** ![Tyrel\_Toov](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tyrel_toov/32/387953_2.png) [@Tyrel\_Toov](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Tyrel_Toov)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2019, 6:27pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/in-the-light-of-recent-news/192732/39 "2019-09-29T18:27:51Z")
So you’re saying that our options are a slow death or a quick one? Personally I’d prefer the option where we don’t die at all. Again, if you have a way to win the fight you’re picking I’m all ears and willing to help. If not, at least a slow death buys us time to figure out a possibility of surviving. ---
**Author:** ![Elsebeth\_Rhiannon](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/elsebeth_rhiannon/32/418836_2.png) [@Elsebeth\_Rhiannon](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Elsebeth_Rhiannon)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2019, 6:31pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/in-the-light-of-recent-news/192732/40 "2019-09-29T18:31:06Z")
> [@Tyrel\_Toov](#): > > If not, at least a slow death buys us time to figure out a possibility of surviving. Both options have a tiny chance of success. The problem is that the chances of winning the quick one get worse every day we stay on the slow path - instead of getting better like they used to before YC110. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/in-the-light-of-recent-news/192732.md?page=1) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/in-the-light-of-recent-news/192732.md?page=3)