# Increase CONCORD Response Time at non-Gate/non-Station locations **URL:** \ **Category:** Player Features & Ideas\ **Created:** [December 29, 2019, 6:25pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/increase-concord-response-time-at-non-gate-non-station-locations/208975 "2019-12-29T18:25:59Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Jerry\_Falcone](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jerry_falcone/32/167073_2.png) [@Jerry\_Falcone](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jerry_Falcone)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2020, 4:01pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/increase-concord-response-time-at-non-gate-non-station-locations/208975/61 "2020-01-02T16:01:30Z")
its better than wanting to increase concords time to allow for more ganking on regular ships and not just orcas… since the orca is supposed to be a booster, compared to the porpoise, they can use that instead of the orca. ---
**Author:** ![Salt\_Foambreaker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salt_foambreaker/32/280119_2.png) [@Salt\_Foambreaker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salt_Foambreaker)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2020, 4:03pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/increase-concord-response-time-at-non-gate-non-station-locations/208975/62 "2020-01-02T16:03:51Z")
> [@Jerry\_Falcone](#): > > its better than wanting to increase concords time to allow for more ganking on regular ships You can already gank regular ships, they never have enough tank and so this change would be moot for them. This would only affect ships with a huge tank. ---
**Author:** ![Jerry\_Falcone](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jerry_falcone/32/167073_2.png) [@Jerry\_Falcone](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jerry_Falcone)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2020, 4:11pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/increase-concord-response-time-at-non-gate-non-station-locations/208975/63 "2020-01-02T16:11:24Z")
and the gankers are the ones telling people to add more tank, now that they are using ships that are tanky as hell, yall are crying. ---
**Author:** ![Daichi\_Yamato](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/daichi_yamato/32/252995_2.png) [@Daichi\_Yamato](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Daichi_Yamato)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2020, 4:14pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/increase-concord-response-time-at-non-gate-non-station-locations/208975/64 "2020-01-02T16:14:53Z")
> [@Jerry\_Falcone](#): > > its better than wanting to increase concords time to allow for more ganking on regular ships To be fair, we really should buff ganking in general anyways. Bumps up destruction and stimulates production and trade. Makes pvp easier and increases agency. And new players are more likely to stay if they are ganked… Anderson in 3…2…1… ---
**Author:** ![Salt\_Foambreaker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salt_foambreaker/32/280119_2.png) [@Salt\_Foambreaker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salt_Foambreaker)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2020, 4:20pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/increase-concord-response-time-at-non-gate-non-station-locations/208975/65 "2020-01-02T16:20:47Z")
> [@Jerry\_Falcone](#): > > and the gankers are the ones telling people to add more tank, now that they are using ships that are tanky as hell, yall are crying. lol, drugs are bad for you. ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2020, 5:41pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/increase-concord-response-time-at-non-gate-non-station-locations/208975/66 "2020-01-02T17:41:25Z")
> [@Daichi\_Yamato](#): > > Do you think it’s false data? > Present your own perhaps? It’s the best way to refute my arguments. The more the merrier. No, it’s the stupid way to do so. You have no data, so all I need is to tell it, and your claim is BS. I don’t think it’s false data. It IS NO data. > [@Daichi\_Yamato](#): > > 200m3 a minute 290 [https://imgur.com/jXk1fbD](https://imgur.com/jXk1fbD) ok you have no idea what you are talking about. > [@Daichi\_Yamato](#): > > but mine afk BS. > [@Jerry\_Falcone](#): > > and the gankers are the ones telling people to add more tank, now that they are using ships that are tanky as hell, yall are crying. sums up the topic, can be closed now. ---
**Author:** ![Daichi\_Yamato](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/daichi_yamato/32/252995_2.png) [@Daichi\_Yamato](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Daichi_Yamato)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2020, 5:56pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/increase-concord-response-time-at-non-gate-non-station-locations/208975/67 "2020-01-02T17:56:29Z")
Todays Jufvitte D-scan ![Juff D-scan 02.01.19](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/e/e/ee8754fc21d26ffe8cd4cb46f661c9cf9eb8e5ab.png) 7x Orcas 7x Barges (2x Covetors. 2x Procs. 2x Skiffs. 1x Mack) 1x Miasmos For a total of: 11x Orcas. 12x Barges (5x Cov. 2x Mack. 3x Procs. 2x Skiffs). 2x Miasmos. 1x Porpoise. Update: Here is 3 of the Orcas in a moon belt: None are hauling for the Mack. It’s going back and forth itself. No Orca is boosting or supporting. ![Overview shot 1](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/d/d/dd37d8e9ae62a4b7a87d61dc615005f0262e6730.png) Here is another 3 in another moon belt: ![Overview shot 2](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/b/c/bcc36fe2610e39dd6d763855aa86a2f51745533f.png) And the last one was idle and tethered at a refinery. No barges on grid. So far 0/7 Orcas are used for fleet support. 2nd update: In the second belt, the multi-boxing Orcas are running active shield reppers and one is using shield boosts…so technically one orca providing fleet support… even if it is to help it run afk. ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2020, 5:59pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/increase-concord-response-time-at-non-gate-non-station-locations/208975/68 "2020-01-02T17:59:02Z")
you need to repeat the same lie at least 1000 times before it becomes truth. ---
**Author:** ![z0ra\_Berg](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/z0ra_berg/32/187042_2.png) [@z0ra\_Berg](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/z0ra_Berg)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2020, 7:20pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/increase-concord-response-time-at-non-gate-non-station-locations/208975/69 "2020-01-02T19:20:25Z")
> [@Salt\_Foambreaker](#): > > reduced Increased\* Reduced = Less time Increased = More time You had it right in the title. ---
**Author:** ![z0ra\_Berg](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/z0ra_berg/32/187042_2.png) [@z0ra\_Berg](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/z0ra_Berg)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2020, 7:31pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/increase-concord-response-time-at-non-gate-non-station-locations/208975/70 "2020-01-02T19:31:07Z")
CCP Hellmar doesn’t like farmers anymore, so I’m pretty sure CCP will be addressing this eventually. Maybe they need a proper nudge in this specific direction, but I doubt a thread in this subforum is going to achieve that. ---
**Author:** ![Salt\_Foambreaker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salt_foambreaker/32/280119_2.png) [@Salt\_Foambreaker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salt_Foambreaker)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2020, 7:41pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/increase-concord-response-time-at-non-gate-non-station-locations/208975/71 "2020-01-02T19:41:41Z")
Yes, but actually the part you quoted did not mention time, I deliberately left it out to leave open the possibility of other kinds of changes. ---
**Author:** ![z0ra\_Berg](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/z0ra_berg/32/187042_2.png) [@z0ra\_Berg](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/z0ra_Berg)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2020, 7:43pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/increase-concord-response-time-at-non-gate-non-station-locations/208975/72 "2020-01-02T19:43:01Z")
Ah! Indeed! My brain added the “time” into it. Sorry! ---
**Author:** ![Salt\_Foambreaker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salt_foambreaker/32/280119_2.png) [@Salt\_Foambreaker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salt_Foambreaker)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2020, 7:45pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/increase-concord-response-time-at-non-gate-non-station-locations/208975/73 "2020-01-02T19:45:19Z")
That’s because I put it in the title to confuse people 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![z0ra\_Berg](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/z0ra_berg/32/187042_2.png) [@z0ra\_Berg](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/z0ra_Berg)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2020, 7:46pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/increase-concord-response-time-at-non-gate-non-station-locations/208975/74 "2020-01-02T19:46:39Z")
![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/4/f/4f4f2cf68fe79d96505e9259b9b92df848abcedf.png) 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Bronson\_Hughes](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/bronson_hughes/32/189075_2.png) [@Bronson\_Hughes](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Bronson_Hughes)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2020, 8:33pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/increase-concord-response-time-at-non-gate-non-station-locations/208975/75 "2020-01-02T20:33:57Z")
I’m all in favor of addressing the fact that Orcas (and Rorqals) have become powerful mining ships in their own right instead of mining support ships. Altering CONCORD response time is not the way to address this issue because: A) CONCORD response time impacts far more than just Orcas, and B) Changing CONCORD response time will not shift Orca use more towards mining support as opposed to mining Hard no, -1. I support your desired end goal, but your means of achieving it are totally borked. ---
**Author:** ![z0ra\_Berg](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/z0ra_berg/32/187042_2.png) [@z0ra\_Berg](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/z0ra_Berg)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2020, 9:18pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/increase-concord-response-time-at-non-gate-non-station-locations/208975/76 "2020-01-02T21:18:21Z")
The most efficient fix for all that lack of destruction is, in fact, increasing CONCORD response time. They should make an event where they do just that and see what happens. ---
**Author:** ![Salt\_Foambreaker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salt_foambreaker/32/280119_2.png) [@Salt\_Foambreaker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salt_Foambreaker)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2020, 9:19pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/increase-concord-response-time-at-non-gate-non-station-locations/208975/77 "2020-01-02T21:19:28Z")
True, they can always chicken out and cave to the RMTers like with blackout. ---
**Author:** ![z0ra\_Berg](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/z0ra_berg/32/187042_2.png) [@z0ra\_Berg](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/z0ra_Berg)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2020, 10:06pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/increase-concord-response-time-at-non-gate-non-station-locations/208975/78 "2020-01-02T22:06:23Z")
I don’t think they’ve chickened out. They’ve always said it was going to be temporary. Since blackout, we’ve seen that they’ve started steering into a different direction than pre-blackout. They’re aware that one of the most important things for them to do is progressing _slowly_, because as long as they’re doing it slowly, all those farmers are going to leave _slowly_, which is ultimately much better than if they all left _suddenly_. I’ve looked at what public data there is too look at. I’ve found no indication of there being a need to “chicken out”. In fact, the only data point I’ve seen, which has shown an actually dramatic change, was the number of NPCs killed within 24 hours. What they’re doing _now_ is just what they’ve been doing over the last couple of years, but in reverse. CCP makes changes to the game which discourages certain types of players from playing. These same changes encourage other types of players from playing. They’re finally beginning reducing the amount of farmers. If you want a direct pointer at the beginning of the last “era” of such a population change, then you only need to look at Crimewatch 2.0. From that point on CCP slowly, but steadily, changed the game towards farmers. It seems that, with the blackout, we’ve reached the end of that era. ---
**Author:** ![Daichi\_Yamato](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/daichi_yamato/32/252995_2.png) [@Daichi\_Yamato](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Daichi_Yamato)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2020, 3:05pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/increase-concord-response-time-at-non-gate-non-station-locations/208975/79 "2020-01-03T15:05:24Z")
Todays Jufvitte D-scan: ![Juff D-scan 03.01.19](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/8/1/81c6a92bd25ee98e84fd5ff404144c412c32f300.png) 7x Orcas 6x Barges (4x Skiff. 2x Macks) 1x Miasmos New total: 18x Orcas. 18x Barges (5x Cov. 4x Mack. 3x Proc. 6x Skiff). 3x Miasmos. 1x Porpoise. Here are 4 Orcas: One Orca is hauling for the skiff. Other Orcas aren’t boosting or hauling for barges. ![Overview shot 1 03.01.20](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/c/c/ccf8080ec10b822ccc1ccf65c98709e6e5da12f7.png) Here is another 1: It is boosting and hauling for the Skiffs. ![Overview shot 2 03.01.20](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/2/b/2b8f0ab183a3d3e0a99e879b7cdbc79e1072a173.png) 6th Orca: Solo mining. ![Overview shot 3 03.01.20](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/d/f/dfd0a8b02b75a7eca87442104df7b932b1c3bf7e.png) The last orca is not at a moon. But all barges were accounted for in the screenshots, so it ain’t supporting barges whatever its doing. So i count 2/14 Orcas are used for mining support. ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2020, 3:13pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/increase-concord-response-time-at-non-gate-non-station-locations/208975/80 "2020-01-03T15:13:50Z")
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