# "Injectors are meant for newbies" - then why can my 100 million SP toon use them? **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [August 16, 2019, 6:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/injectors-are-meant-for-newbies-then-why-can-my-100-million-sp-toon-use-them/183202 "2019-08-16T18:50:18Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Xuixien](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xuixien/32/416896_2.png) [@Xuixien](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xuixien)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2019, 6:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/injectors-are-meant-for-newbies-then-why-can-my-100-million-sp-toon-use-them/183202/1 "2019-08-16T18:50:18Z")
I keep hearing this argument tossed about. Injectors are meant to help with new player retention! EVE is hard and things take time! It’s easy to concede when new player retention is concerned. We all love EVE and want to see it thrive. But… how come characters can extract with as little as 5.5 mil SP? And how come characters with as much as 100 mil can inject? I’m just really confused by this. Can someone help? ---
**Author:** ![Ms\_Steak](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ms_steak/32/168834_2.png) [@Ms\_Steak](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ms_Steak)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2019, 6:53pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/injectors-are-meant-for-newbies-then-why-can-my-100-million-sp-toon-use-them/183202/2 "2019-08-16T18:53:00Z")
There are severe penalties on injectors for high SP characters. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2019, 6:53pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/injectors-are-meant-for-newbies-then-why-can-my-100-million-sp-toon-use-them/183202/3 "2019-08-16T18:53:02Z")
Its to make CCP money. The step up program reason is just marketing BS. ---
**Author:** ![Xuixien](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xuixien/32/416896_2.png) [@Xuixien](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xuixien)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2019, 7:00pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/injectors-are-meant-for-newbies-then-why-can-my-100-million-sp-toon-use-them/183202/4 "2019-08-16T19:00:53Z")
> [@Ms\_Steak](#): > > There are severe penalties on injectors for high SP characters. Yes I’m aware of diminishing returns. But I mean if I was rich IRL or rich in game, I could just brute force my way through that. It’s not like the diminishing returns go below 300,000 which is still quit a bit of saved time. ---
**Author:** ![Ms\_Steak](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ms_steak/32/168834_2.png) [@Ms\_Steak](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ms_Steak)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2019, 7:03pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/injectors-are-meant-for-newbies-then-why-can-my-100-million-sp-toon-use-them/183202/5 "2019-08-16T19:03:01Z")
> [@Xuixien](#): > > It’s not like the diminishing returns go below 300,000 but they do: 0 to 5 million Skill Points at time of use = 500.000 unallocated Skill Points 5-50 million Skill Points at time of use = 400.000 unallocated Skill Points 50-80 million Skill Points at time of use = 300.000 unallocated Skill Points 80 million or more Skill Points at time of use = 150.000 unallocated Skill Points ---
**Author:** ![Xuixien](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xuixien/32/416896_2.png) [@Xuixien](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xuixien)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2019, 7:04pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/injectors-are-meant-for-newbies-then-why-can-my-100-million-sp-toon-use-them/183202/6 "2019-08-16T19:04:02Z")
A very minor side point TBH. ---
**Author:** ![Cypeace\_Adestur](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cypeace_adestur/32/376285_2.png) [@Cypeace\_Adestur](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Cypeace_Adestur)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2019, 7:09pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/injectors-are-meant-for-newbies-then-why-can-my-100-million-sp-toon-use-them/183202/7 "2019-08-16T19:09:59Z")
When people make billions a day, what is there to stop them injecting day/night? ---
**Author:** ![Paul\_Xavis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/paul_xavis/32/152086_2.png) [@Paul\_Xavis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Paul_Xavis)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2019, 7:26pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/injectors-are-meant-for-newbies-then-why-can-my-100-million-sp-toon-use-them/183202/8 "2019-08-16T19:26:00Z")
And yet we see one day old t3 and capital pilots… ---
**Author:** ![Ms\_Steak](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ms_steak/32/168834_2.png) [@Ms\_Steak](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ms_Steak)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2019, 7:27pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/injectors-are-meant-for-newbies-then-why-can-my-100-million-sp-toon-use-them/183202/9 "2019-08-16T19:27:42Z")
…on killboards. ---
**Author:** ![Scoots\_Choco](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scoots_choco/32/262262_2.png) [@Scoots\_Choco](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scoots_Choco)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2019, 8:22pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/injectors-are-meant-for-newbies-then-why-can-my-100-million-sp-toon-use-them/183202/10 "2019-08-16T20:22:34Z")
> [@Xuixien](#): > > But I mean if I was rich IRL or rich in game, I could just brute force my way through that Do you know anyone who actually does this? ---
**Author:** ![TYRANNATOR\_I1I](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tyrannator_i1i/32/381994_2.png) [@TYRANNATOR\_I1I](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/TYRANNATOR_I1I)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2019, 8:39pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/injectors-are-meant-for-newbies-then-why-can-my-100-million-sp-toon-use-them/183202/11 "2019-08-16T20:39:17Z")
That is totally fine with me, I love EVE and want to see a financial healthy CCP. So if someone wants to throw in a couple of 1000$ and scale up to Titan that’s great. Not to mention the awesome content they become when they actually try to fly them too😂 ---
**Author:** ![Xuixien](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xuixien/32/416896_2.png) [@Xuixien](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xuixien)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2019, 8:40pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/injectors-are-meant-for-newbies-then-why-can-my-100-million-sp-toon-use-them/183202/12 "2019-08-16T20:40:03Z")
> [@Scoots\_Choco](#): > > Do you know anyone who actually does this? Someone spent $23,000 USD to go max out SP. ---
**Author:** ![TYRANNATOR\_I1I](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tyrannator_i1i/32/381994_2.png) [@TYRANNATOR\_I1I](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/TYRANNATOR_I1I)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2019, 8:44pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/injectors-are-meant-for-newbies-then-why-can-my-100-million-sp-toon-use-them/183202/13 "2019-08-16T20:44:15Z")
That’s great respect for whomever it was🍾 ---
**Author:** ![Karol\_Godula](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/karol_godula/32/391303_2.png) [@Karol\_Godula](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Karol_Godula)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2019, 8:45pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/injectors-are-meant-for-newbies-then-why-can-my-100-million-sp-toon-use-them/183202/14 "2019-08-16T20:45:42Z")
Newbies can only get injectors if the spend real money… ---
**Author:** ![Xuixien](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xuixien/32/416896_2.png) [@Xuixien](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xuixien)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2019, 8:46pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/injectors-are-meant-for-newbies-then-why-can-my-100-million-sp-toon-use-them/183202/15 "2019-08-16T20:46:18Z")
First, that’s not true, second - and? ---
**Author:** ![Salt\_Foambreaker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salt_foambreaker/32/280119_2.png) [@Salt\_Foambreaker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salt_Foambreaker)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2019, 9:26pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/injectors-are-meant-for-newbies-then-why-can-my-100-million-sp-toon-use-them/183202/16 "2019-08-16T21:26:42Z")
Using the Large Skill Injector currently ~866m each at Rens. 0 to 5 million Skill Points at time of use = 500.000 unallocated Skill Points 10 Injectors 8.66b isk 5-50 million Skill Points at time of use = 400.000 unallocated Skill Points 112 Injectors 96b isk 50-80 million Skill Points at time of use = 300.000 unallocated Skill Points 100 Injectors 86b isk 80 million or more Skill Points at time of use = 150.000 unallocated Skill Points 67 per 10 Million SP Injectors 58b isk So to get to 100m SP is 306 billion isk not accounting for buying that quantity is not available at that price. At 3.4m per plex that is 90,176 plex. About $3000 US. Seriously: [https://forums.eveonline.com/c/marketplace/character-bazaar](https://forums.eveonline.com/c/marketplace/character-bazaar) ---
**Author:** ![Syeed\_Ameer\_Ali](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/syeed_ameer_ali/32/411549_2.png) [@Syeed\_Ameer\_Ali](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Syeed_Ameer_Ali)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2019, 9:27pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/injectors-are-meant-for-newbies-then-why-can-my-100-million-sp-toon-use-them/183202/17 "2019-08-16T21:27:51Z")
Nobody actually believes they help out newbies “catch up”, or even that “catching up” is a thing in EVE. They are obviously just a cash grab for CCP. Which I can somewhat respect, it is a business after all, the whole point is to make money. Do you expect them to straight up tell you that its a cash grab though? That’s bad for optics. They have to pretend that it adds some value to the gameplay experience, even though it could not be more painfully obvious that it does not. Ah its kind of just another minor disappointment to add to the list. ---
**Author:** ![Salt\_Foambreaker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salt_foambreaker/32/280119_2.png) [@Salt\_Foambreaker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salt_Foambreaker)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2019, 9:34pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/injectors-are-meant-for-newbies-then-why-can-my-100-million-sp-toon-use-them/183202/18 "2019-08-16T21:34:44Z")
The thing that makes this whole topic a mythical fallacy is that the only difference between a new player with 2m SP and a new player with 100m SP is the value of the ship they will lose. Skill points mean jack, the larger the ship, the more that is true! ---
**Author:** ![Scoots\_Choco](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scoots_choco/32/262262_2.png) [@Scoots\_Choco](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scoots_Choco)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2019, 10:20pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/injectors-are-meant-for-newbies-then-why-can-my-100-million-sp-toon-use-them/183202/19 "2019-08-16T22:20:05Z")
> [@Xuixien](#): > > Someone spent $23,000 USD Do you have a name, or is this just a mysterious made up “someone”? And how does this impact you? Who are you to determine how and where someone uses their money? ---
**Author:** ![Avaelica\_Kuershin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/avaelica_kuershin/32/478139_2.png) [@Avaelica\_Kuershin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Avaelica_Kuershin)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2019, 10:59pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/injectors-are-meant-for-newbies-then-why-can-my-100-million-sp-toon-use-them/183202/20 "2019-08-16T22:59:20Z")
I had thought that the two individuals I am aware of simply used their vast in-game assets rather than spending RL money. The [article](https://massivelyop.com/2016/02/15/eve-player-uses-28000-of-skill-injectors-to-create-max-character/) didn’t make it clear. Should CCP have stuck to the original [plan](https://www.eveonline.com/article/exploring-the-character-bazaar-skill-trading), and why did they [change](https://www.eveonline.com/article/skill-trading-in-new-eden)? [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/injectors-are-meant-for-newbies-then-why-can-my-100-million-sp-toon-use-them/183202.md?page=2)