# Inquiry: is there bad blood between Electus Matari and Ushra'khan? **URL:** \ **Category:** Intergalactic Summit\ **Created:** [July 31, 2018, 2:50am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/inquiry-is-there-bad-blood-between-electus-matari-and-ushrakhan/93941 "2018-07-31T02:50:08Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Lasairiona\_Raske](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lasairiona_raske/32/467893_2.png) [@Lasairiona\_Raske](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lasairiona_Raske)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2018, 9:02am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/inquiry-is-there-bad-blood-between-electus-matari-and-ushrakhan/93941/21 "2018-07-31T09:02:16Z")
Mr. Sepphiros, If you have questions/concerns about ARC, I’m sure we can arrange a meeting outwith this forum setting. Kind regards, etc. ---
**Author:** ![Isha\_Vuld](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/isha_vuld/32/470113_2.png) [@Isha\_Vuld](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Isha_Vuld)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2018, 9:36am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/inquiry-is-there-bad-blood-between-electus-matari-and-ushrakhan/93941/22 "2018-07-31T09:36:37Z")
What kind of argument did I just read? In any event, I serve in U’K and I am unaware of any particular bad blood between EM and ourselves. I think most of us have better things to do at the moment. > [@Coulter\_Phelps](#): > > Do you have footage of this phenomenon available? It would be an interesting topic to research. > > For furthering our relationship with said alliances, of course. I’l send you a video later today. ---
**Author:** ![Mizhir](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mizhir/32/379234_2.png) [@Mizhir](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mizhir)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2018, 9:46am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/inquiry-is-there-bad-blood-between-electus-matari-and-ushrakhan/93941/23 "2018-07-31T09:46:16Z")
What is really interesting is the motive behind your question. While the intetion is to make it look innocent on the surface, it’s clear to see that the real purpose is to weaken ARC’s position in this matter. It’s a prime example of how you act. Criticizing ARC for housing Amarr loyalists is revealing only half the truth. While noone is going to deny that the loyalty of SFRIM lies at the Empire, you have to keep in mind that ARC strives to be an organization that goes across the borders in the quest of furthering science. While ARC’s founder corporation IKAME is Caldari aligned we do see several of their members being from other backgrounds. ARC has been trying to reach out to Federation and Republic capsuleers as well. But seems like most choose to decline. I believe they attempted to arrange a similar partnership with your corporation (before you killed it), but then you later decided to launch your own project to compete. One of your own former employees have joined SFRIM, is she also a target of your criticism? Personally my loyalty lies with my Clan and my home in the Federation but I have chosen to work with ARC as an indiviual partner since I believe it’s the best for us. All of us. The people of SFRIM have proven to be respectful and trustworthy despiet my heritage, and recently our combined effort saved the lives of many of the Butcher’s Victims. ARC (and to that extend) SFRIM made their statement clear when it came to the freed slaves from the Dawn of Liberation. They reached out to someone who from many point of views would be considered their enemy. But they did it for the best of the people who were freed. Yet somehow this is wrong and a certian Minmatar group even attempted to sabortage their efforts to free these people. It does also make we wonder why you raise such question, when the bases of operation for many of your (former) projects lies within the Empire. Are you really in position to ask such question when you have strong ties to the Empire as well? So I fail to see the motivation behind your question aside from trying to advance your own agenda, which does seem highly likely. ARC does not deserve your criticism. ---
**Author:** ![Samira\_Kernher](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/samira_kernher/32/244840_2.png) [@Samira\_Kernher](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Samira_Kernher)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2018, 10:07am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/inquiry-is-there-bad-blood-between-electus-matari-and-ushrakhan/93941/24 "2018-07-31T10:07:26Z")
> [@Mizhir](#): > > The people of SFRIM have proven to be respectful and trustworthy despite my heritage, and recently our combined effort saved the lives of many of the Butcher’s Victims. If referring to the events of this past week, this is incorrect. SFRIM was not involved. They have, of course, been involved in previous efforts, but not the most recent one. ---
**Author:** ![Mizhir](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mizhir/32/379234_2.png) [@Mizhir](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mizhir)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2018, 10:09am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/inquiry-is-there-bad-blood-between-electus-matari-and-ushrakhan/93941/25 "2018-07-31T10:09:19Z")
It was the effort before that. ---
**Author:** ![Maira\_Blackfire](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/maira_blackfire/32/394201_2.png) [@Maira\_Blackfire](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Maira_Blackfire)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2018, 10:15am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/inquiry-is-there-bad-blood-between-electus-matari-and-ushrakhan/93941/26 "2018-07-31T10:15:35Z")
> [@Mizhir](#): > > One of your own former employees have joined SFRIM, is she also a target of your criticism? Ms. Devara I mean no harm done. so I would be happy if I was kept out of this conversation… Even though I am interested in hearing his respond ---
**Author:** ![Mizhir](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mizhir/32/379234_2.png) [@Mizhir](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mizhir)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2018, 10:18am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/inquiry-is-there-bad-blood-between-electus-matari-and-ushrakhan/93941/27 "2018-07-31T10:18:07Z")
I apologize. I assumed it was acceptable to do if I didn’t mention you by name. ---
**Author:** ![Maira\_Blackfire](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/maira_blackfire/32/394201_2.png) [@Maira\_Blackfire](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Maira_Blackfire)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2018, 10:22am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/inquiry-is-there-bad-blood-between-electus-matari-and-ushrakhan/93941/28 "2018-07-31T10:22:14Z")
No harm done… Its just pretty obvious who you are talking about as its… no secret that I have move to SFRIM… ---
**Author:** ![Mizhara\_Del\_thul](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mizhara_del_thul/32/486150_2.png) [@Mizhara\_Del\_thul](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mizhara_Del_thul)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2018, 10:28am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/inquiry-is-there-bad-blood-between-electus-matari-and-ushrakhan/93941/29 "2018-07-31T10:28:32Z")
> [@Mizhir](#): > > respectful and trustworthy … hahahahaaaaah. Oh dear. Let’s see, multiple broken deals, Sansha using their facilities, disappearing slaves, at least one known sexual abuser, and some yarnspinnin’ in public - confirmed repeatedly to many people to be exactly that - that is staggering in scope and scale. “Trustworthy”, hahaaah. ---
**Author:** ![Lasairiona\_Raske](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lasairiona_raske/32/467893_2.png) [@Lasairiona\_Raske](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lasairiona_Raske)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2018, 10:37am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/inquiry-is-there-bad-blood-between-electus-matari-and-ushrakhan/93941/30 "2018-07-31T10:37:29Z")
I think it’s about time to get some clarity. So, let’s get this over with, shall we? About a year ago, maybe less, I obtained approximately 52k slaves from Nauplius. There were several discussions about what I was going to do with said slaves. Nothing was ever solidified in terms of an agreement with one party or another. If some people think it was, I apologize for their misunderstanding of the situation. In the end, I opted to go with people _I_ trusted, taking into consideration the advice of my CEO at the time as well. Nothing to do with anything else, really. At the time, Lady Pryce was working with SFRIM and offered to transport the slaves for delivery to Literia and her rehabilitation facilities. The slaves were subsequently transported there, using Lady Pryce ONLY as the means to do so because I could not. That’s all there is to it. No hiding, no subterfuge. I really do not understand why this has been made into the reason for launching an attack against SFRIM as well as all Amarrian corporations. I hope this clears things up. I’m sure @Literia will be happy to verify this. Another rescue took place upon which I obtained a number of pregnant slaves from Nauplius. These women were turned over to Literia as well. My daughter, Shayleigh, was born to one of these women who subsequently died due to trauma experienced while being held by Nauplius. I adopted her afterwards. ---
**Author:** ![Jev\_North](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jev_north/32/100533_2.png) [@Jev\_North](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jev_North)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2018, 10:38am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/inquiry-is-there-bad-blood-between-electus-matari-and-ushrakhan/93941/31 "2018-07-31T10:38:47Z")
> [@Mizhara\_Del\_thul](#): > > Sansha using their facilities, Hey, back in Eldjötnar, we let the TS-F people use our toilets all the time, and nothing bad came of it. ---
**Author:** ![Ioannis\_Sepphiros](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ioannis_sepphiros/32/380131_2.png) [@Ioannis\_Sepphiros](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ioannis_Sepphiros)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2018, 10:40am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/inquiry-is-there-bad-blood-between-electus-matari-and-ushrakhan/93941/32 "2018-07-31T10:40:27Z")
Dont forget the part where if you pose any question Miss Del Thul your; > [@Mizhir](#): > > real purpose is to weaken ARC’s position in this matter. It’s a prime example of how you act. also if you ever have a project… > [@Mizhir](#): > > decided to launch your own project to compete. Also dont engage to debate because apparently > [@Mizhir](#): > > ARC does not deserve your criticism. ---
**Author:** ![Mizhara\_Del\_thul](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mizhara_del_thul/32/486150_2.png) [@Mizhara\_Del\_thul](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mizhara_Del_thul)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2018, 10:45am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/inquiry-is-there-bad-blood-between-electus-matari-and-ushrakhan/93941/33 "2018-07-31T10:45:40Z")
It’s cute that you think your broken deal - which was a very clear agreement - is the only one. There’s been several such instances over the years now. Of course, that Pryce and Lit on top of it claimed to have transported them and so on, while not even a fraction of them could have fit onto the entire recorded traffic of that station, is just a cherry on top of the rest of the subterfuge. It’s very easy to be trustworthy. Honor deals made. Don’t lie about what you do or don’t do, when it’s so easy to verify or refute with the simple act of _observation_, and maybe don’t outright tell people when you’re lying through your teeth. You are just a _very_ small part of a very large pile of reasons not to trust neither SFRIM nor ARC at this point. There’s just far too many lies and fabrications. ---
**Author:** ![Lasairiona\_Raske](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lasairiona_raske/32/467893_2.png) [@Lasairiona\_Raske](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lasairiona_Raske)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2018, 10:47am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/inquiry-is-there-bad-blood-between-electus-matari-and-ushrakhan/93941/34 "2018-07-31T10:47:31Z")
I can assure you, they were transported. Maybe not by Lady Pryce herself, but by a trusted courier of hers. ---
**Author:** ![Mizhara\_Del\_thul](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mizhara_del_thul/32/486150_2.png) [@Mizhara\_Del\_thul](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mizhara_Del_thul)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2018, 10:48am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/inquiry-is-there-bad-blood-between-electus-matari-and-ushrakhan/93941/35 "2018-07-31T10:48:55Z")
Except, no ship capable of carrying even a _fraction_ of them had entered or left that station by the time the claim of transportation had been made. The courier magically teleported these people, I assume? Heh. ---
**Author:** ![Maira\_Blackfire](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/maira_blackfire/32/394201_2.png) [@Maira\_Blackfire](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Maira_Blackfire)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2018, 11:01am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/inquiry-is-there-bad-blood-between-electus-matari-and-ushrakhan/93941/36 "2018-07-31T11:01:30Z")
How long have you been spying on that station? ---
**Author:** ![Mizhara\_Del\_thul](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mizhara_del_thul/32/486150_2.png) [@Mizhara\_Del\_thul](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mizhara_Del_thul)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2018, 11:09am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/inquiry-is-there-bad-blood-between-electus-matari-and-ushrakhan/93941/37 "2018-07-31T11:09:33Z")
From the broken deal, to when the transportation was claimed to have been done. Not exactly too onerous. ---
**Author:** ![Kalaratiri](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kalaratiri/32/477189_2.png) [@Kalaratiri](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kalaratiri)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2018, 11:13am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/inquiry-is-there-bad-blood-between-electus-matari-and-ushrakhan/93941/38 "2018-07-31T11:13:50Z")
I’m confused, if the deal was between Ms. Raske and Lady Pryce, then what was broken? ---
**Author:** ![Mizhara\_Del\_thul](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mizhara_del_thul/32/486150_2.png) [@Mizhara\_Del\_thul](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mizhara_Del_thul)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2018, 11:22am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/inquiry-is-there-bad-blood-between-electus-matari-and-ushrakhan/93941/39 "2018-07-31T11:22:04Z")
The deal she’d made _before_ that. ---
**Author:** ![Mizhir](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mizhir/32/379234_2.png) [@Mizhir](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mizhir)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2018, 11:22am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/inquiry-is-there-bad-blood-between-electus-matari-and-ushrakhan/93941/40 "2018-07-31T11:22:24Z")
Have I managed to corner you so much that you have resorted to taking my words out of context? Where are the walls of text? Or the carefully constructed sentences with every word delicately placed? [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/inquiry-is-there-bad-blood-between-electus-matari-and-ushrakhan/93941.md?page=1) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/inquiry-is-there-bad-blood-between-electus-matari-and-ushrakhan/93941.md?page=3)