# Integrated Bitcoin Miner **URL:** \ **Category:** Player Features & Ideas\ **Created:** [September 30, 2023, 7:24pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/integrated-bitcoin-miner/422371 "2023-09-30T19:24:40Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Anthony\_FatTony\_Amico](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anthony_fattony_amico/32/391106_2.png) [@Anthony\_FatTony\_Amico](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anthony_FatTony_Amico)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2023, 11:18pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/integrated-bitcoin-miner/422371/23 "2023-10-05T23:18:53Z")
> [@0ptimus\_Swine](#): > > Kids don’t pay the electric bill. What?? Take your bitcoins somewhere else and actually put effort into comments. **No bitcoin miner in EVE plz.** ---
**Author:** ![Wesfahrn](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wesfahrn/32/392292_2.png) [@Wesfahrn](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Wesfahrn)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2023, 11:37pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/integrated-bitcoin-miner/422371/24 "2023-10-05T23:37:54Z")
Some really smart people in this thread ---
**Author:** ![0ptimus\_Swine](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/0ptimus_swine/32/385816_2.png) [@0ptimus\_Swine](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/0ptimus_Swine)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2023, 2:31am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/integrated-bitcoin-miner/422371/25 "2023-10-07T02:31:21Z")
What’s difficult to understand here? I don’t mind explaining any concepts you cannot comprehend in such a way you are able to understand it. ---
**Author:** ![Anthony\_FatTony\_Amico](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anthony_fattony_amico/32/391106_2.png) [@Anthony\_FatTony\_Amico](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anthony_FatTony_Amico)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2023, 12:58pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/integrated-bitcoin-miner/422371/26 "2023-10-07T12:58:00Z")
EVE already takes up a ton of power/resources. A bitcoin miner takes up more power/resources. Why do we need to have PCs/Laptops going all out playing a game and making a bitcoin? After power usage people are left with scraps and it destroys the environment. **I know no solar panels are powering all those GPUs mining bitcoin.** No solar panels are powering EVE online also. 😂 Why do we need to have a bit coin miner in EVE? Like adding something for the sake of adding something as it doesn’t meaningfully extend anything to the game. > [@Dyver\_Phycad](#): > > No, it’s not just an idea. It’s garbage. And one must counter this kind of garbage with utmost prejudice I will leave this quote here. There is no secret method to becoming rich while mining bitcoin… It will not happen in EVE. And if people usually are dedicated bitcoin miners, they would probably not play EVE because they would want to lower their power usage and put it towards more bitcoin. I tend to think I know enough about the concept to say it’s a power-hungry application. So yes, I will counter these ideas with the most prejudice. **Devs don’t add things to the games for the sake of adding it to the game that’s a horrible business model.** ---
**Author:** ![0ptimus\_Swine](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/0ptimus_swine/32/385816_2.png) [@0ptimus\_Swine](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/0ptimus_Swine)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2023, 8:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/integrated-bitcoin-miner/422371/27 "2023-10-07T20:50:12Z")
> [@Anthony\_FatTony\_Amico](#): > > takes up more power/resources. Why is this a bad thing? > [@Anthony\_FatTony\_Amico](#): > > Why do we need to have a bit coin miner in EVE? To open up premium options to those who otherwise would not have them. > [@Anthony\_FatTony\_Amico](#): > > and it destroys the environment. What exactly do you mean by this? ---
**Author:** ![Anthony\_FatTony\_Amico](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anthony_fattony_amico/32/391106_2.png) [@Anthony\_FatTony\_Amico](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anthony_FatTony_Amico)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2023, 10:44pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/integrated-bitcoin-miner/422371/28 "2023-10-07T22:44:02Z")
> [@0ptimus\_Swine](#): > > Why is this a bad thing? Well I am going to stay within the OP here. But EVE already takes up a ton of PC resources and power. So yes, a bitcoin miner that takes up MORE power is not really ideal. You play EVE online or you mine bitcoin. Just don’t mix the two. > [@0ptimus\_Swine](#): > > What exactly do you mean by this? Large warehouses of GPUs running to produce more bitcoin is a horrible impact for the environment. Especially when it’s all pixels and nothing in the real world. _(I would like to stay within OP as there is a thread talking about bitcoin here on EVE Forums but felt it was important to point out and supports the resource usage argument)_ > [@0ptimus\_Swine](#): > > To open up premium options to those who otherwise would not have them. If a person is struggling that hard to pay CCP $20 or less if you buy in bulk idk if a person should be playing videogames. The thinking should **NEVER** be… **“If I only made a few more dollars a day I can afford this sub.”** This game is made for disposable income NOT the people on the margins of paying a $20 sub or not. That is a paper-thin argument for the idea and if that’s all you got I don’t know what to say. ---
**Author:** ![0ptimus\_Swine](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/0ptimus_swine/32/385816_2.png) [@0ptimus\_Swine](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/0ptimus_Swine)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2023, 10:03pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/integrated-bitcoin-miner/422371/29 "2023-10-08T22:03:22Z")
> [@Anthony\_FatTony\_Amico](#): > > That is a paper-thin argument for the idea and if that’s all you got I don’t know what to say. Utilities included rental agreements. Kids who’s parent’s pay the bills. Two examples I can immediately think of; of people who are not going to care they’re using more power, they will be able to take advantage of premium services using an integrated miner in their client would provide. I doubt bitcoin produces more value than the power it consumes to mine so I don’t think anyone who pays their own electric bill would be in the slightest bit interested. But pretending no one would be interested in this is a fallacy. ---
**Author:** ![Anthony\_FatTony\_Amico](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anthony_fattony_amico/32/391106_2.png) [@Anthony\_FatTony\_Amico](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anthony_FatTony_Amico)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2023, 11:49pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/integrated-bitcoin-miner/422371/30 "2023-10-08T23:49:35Z")
> [@0ptimus\_Swine](#): > > Utilities included rental agreements. That is a really sad excuse of deflecting off of the core issue that bitcoin miners use extra power to create just more pixel credits. > [@0ptimus\_Swine](#): > > But pretending no one would be interested in this is a fallacy. But also pretending those 2 core groups will support the massive investment, maintenance, and dev hrs is also a fallacy. You need a broad swath of people who might like this idea and I can say with certainty that most EVE players are not kids or are people who rent on the margins of society. 😂 You don’t even deny that it bitcoin mining uses an absurd amount of power along with the EVE client also from that reply. **(Yes GPU go brrr when EVE client runs.)** _No not everyone wants to play EVE in potato mode._ ---
**Author:** ![0ptimus\_Swine](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/0ptimus_swine/32/385816_2.png) [@0ptimus\_Swine](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/0ptimus_Swine)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2023, 5:39pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/integrated-bitcoin-miner/422371/31 "2023-10-09T17:39:47Z")
> [@Anthony\_FatTony\_Amico](#): > > the core issue that bitcoin miners use extra power to create just more pixel credits. I don’t think using more electricity is an issue. Why is that an “issue?” > [@Anthony\_FatTony\_Amico](#): > > bitcoin mining uses an absurd amount of power You keep making this point, you need to provide and explanation why using power is “bad.” ---
**Author:** ![Anthony\_FatTony\_Amico](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anthony_fattony_amico/32/391106_2.png) [@Anthony\_FatTony\_Amico](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anthony_FatTony_Amico)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2023, 7:11pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/integrated-bitcoin-miner/422371/32 "2023-10-09T19:11:59Z")
This is going nowhere lol. > [@0ptimus\_Swine](#): > > I don’t think using more electricity is an issue. Why is that an “issue?” So, I will just quote myself to answer. > [@Anthony\_FatTony\_Amico](#): > > Large warehouses of GPUs running to produce more bitcoin is a horrible impact for the environment. Especially when it’s all pixels and nothing in the real world. _(I would like to stay within OP as there is a thread talking about bitcoin here on EVE Forums but felt it was important to point out and supports the resource usage argument)_ * * * > [@0ptimus\_Swine](#): > > You keep making this point, you need to provide and explanation why using power is “bad.” Alright I already answered this also. > [@Anthony\_FatTony\_Amico](#): > > Large warehouses of GPUs running to produce more bitcoin is a horrible impact for the environment. Especially when it’s all pixels and nothing in the real world. _(I would like to stay within OP as there is a thread talking about bitcoin here on EVE Forums but felt it was important to point out and supports the resource usage argument)_ It’s the same quote 😂 To further kill the arguement in every possible way I will remind you by quoting this also. > [@Anthony\_FatTony\_Amico](#): > > Devs don’t add things to the games for the sake of adding it to the game that’s a horrible business model. 🤯 Bitcoin mining adds nothing productive to society when there are rows and rows of GPUs Running 24/7 to make 1 person/group money. Please keep it away from the great game that is EVE Online. **Until bitcoins can entertain me like videogames idk until then.** - You appear to agree that bitcoin mining uses tons of power beyond “normal” use (Something needs to run those GPUs at full capacity) - You appear to agree that EVE online is a resource intensive game. - You appear to agree that a serious bitcoin miner will not waste GPU space on a videogame that doesn’t produce more bitcoin. - You didn’t push back on the fact warehouses full of GPUs running 24/7 is not great for the environment. (What value do those places add?) (What value does EVE x Bitcoin miner add to society?) Please respond when you have more points to add to your side of the debate because I got my cards on the table. ---
**Author:** ![0ptimus\_Swine](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/0ptimus_swine/32/385816_2.png) [@0ptimus\_Swine](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/0ptimus_Swine)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2023, 1:33am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/integrated-bitcoin-miner/422371/33 "2023-10-10T01:33:11Z")
Your point seems to be that using electricity is bad, I just don’t believe that. Whether it’s a small or large amount. ---
**Author:** ![Anthony\_FatTony\_Amico](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anthony_fattony_amico/32/391106_2.png) [@Anthony\_FatTony\_Amico](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anthony_FatTony_Amico)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2023, 1:39am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/integrated-bitcoin-miner/422371/34 "2023-10-10T01:39:34Z")
Please don’t take my points out of context. You don’t even bother to quote the specific points I make. I don’t really think you are really enthusiastic about bitcoin judging from your responses. ---
**Author:** ![Mephiztopheleze](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mephiztopheleze/32/381036_2.png) [@Mephiztopheleze](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mephiztopheleze)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2023, 1:58am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/integrated-bitcoin-miner/422371/35 "2023-10-10T01:58:38Z")
> [@0ptimus\_Swine](#): > > I don’t think using more electricity is an issue. Why is that an “issue?” I don’t know where you live, or if you pay your own power, but my power bill has gone up by ~30% in the last 12 months while my consumption has gone down. This whole concept of a bitcoin miner in the EVE client is terrible. ---
**Author:** ![Anthony\_FatTony\_Amico](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anthony_fattony_amico/32/391106_2.png) [@Anthony\_FatTony\_Amico](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anthony_FatTony_Amico)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2023, 3:05am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/integrated-bitcoin-miner/422371/36 "2023-10-10T03:05:36Z")
I keep telling her that but ironically she thinks electric bills get paid out of thin air. ---
**Author:** ![Mephiztopheleze](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mephiztopheleze/32/381036_2.png) [@Mephiztopheleze](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mephiztopheleze)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2023, 3:08am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/integrated-bitcoin-miner/422371/37 "2023-10-10T03:08:04Z")
I wish my power bill got paid out of thin air. It gets paid out of my wallet and seems to want an ever larger chunk of its meagre contents. ---
**Author:** ![0ptimus\_Swine](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/0ptimus_swine/32/385816_2.png) [@0ptimus\_Swine](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/0ptimus_Swine)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2023, 3:40am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/integrated-bitcoin-miner/422371/38 "2023-10-10T03:40:45Z")
My house is powered using a geo-thermal vent, having a bitcoin miner on my system will cost me exactly zero. What have you two done to reduce your power bills? have you boycotted the energy companies? voted out your current representatives? Anything like that? ---
**Author:** ![Terminal\_Insanity](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/terminal_insanity/32/383404_2.png) [@Terminal\_Insanity](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Terminal_Insanity)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2023, 4:39am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/integrated-bitcoin-miner/422371/39 "2023-10-10T04:39:04Z")
but you can just run a bitcoin miner beside your eve client? why not build it into your web browser instead? or your instant messenger? or your music player? Why not build bitcoin miners into EVERY piece of software you install? ---
**Author:** ![Anthony\_FatTony\_Amico](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anthony_fattony_amico/32/391106_2.png) [@Anthony\_FatTony\_Amico](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anthony_FatTony_Amico)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2023, 1:55pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/integrated-bitcoin-miner/422371/40 "2023-10-10T13:55:29Z")
> [@0ptimus\_Swine](#): > > My house is powered using a geo-thermal vent, having a bitcoin miner on my system will cost me exactly zero. Wow cool! Happy for you. Many people in America can’t do what you do. I darn wish I had a $0 electric bill. I would have my house always at 72 degrees year-round. My house isn’t ideal for solar panels. No room for a tall windmill in my small lot. Quite sure there are no hot springs where I am at near the great lakes. I don’t live next to a nuclear power plant so idk. 🤷 > [@0ptimus\_Swine](#): > > What have you two done to reduce your power bills? have you boycotted the energy companies? voted out your current representatives? Anything like that? **Easier said than done and really speaks to your indifferent tone throughout this entire thread towards my valid points. I make my paycheck I come home to rest, and I save money for my retirement.** Thanks for sharing that it really makes more since why you are so indifferent about what I have been saying for this entire thread. I really wish you did share that three posts ago so it would have saved me a lot of effort. I think because of this very fundamental difference in lifestyle you will never see what life is like in my shoes or the millions of other people who can’t have geothermal energy, solar, wind, or cheap nuclear energy to power their communities. So again. if you want to have a serious discussion about what OP said and my very valid points, I encourage you to have an open mind to what most of America has to go through and pay higher energy bills. There are real environmental concerns to industrial bitcoin mining and more business points on why this should be kept very far away from EVE Online. ---
**Author:** ![Mephiztopheleze](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mephiztopheleze/32/381036_2.png) [@Mephiztopheleze](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mephiztopheleze)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2023, 4:24am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/integrated-bitcoin-miner/422371/41 "2023-10-11T04:24:14Z")
> [@Anthony\_FatTony\_Amico](#): > > have an open mind to what most of America Just pointing out that I am NOT American. The US isn’t the only country with surging power prices. ---
**Author:** ![Anthony\_FatTony\_Amico](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anthony_fattony_amico/32/391106_2.png) [@Anthony\_FatTony\_Amico](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anthony_FatTony_Amico)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2023, 12:05pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/integrated-bitcoin-miner/422371/42 "2023-10-11T12:05:33Z")
> [@Mephiztopheleze](#): > > The US isn’t the only country with surging power prices. Fair point. I do it through my POV 🙂 [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/integrated-bitcoin-miner/422371.md?page=1) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/integrated-bitcoin-miner/422371.md?page=3)