# Introduce a new class of Subscription- Beta players, cheaper than Omega, better than Alpha **URL:** \ **Category:** Player Features & Ideas\ **Tags:** alpha, omega\ **Created:** [December 17, 2023, 11:34am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/introduce-a-new-class-of-subscription-beta-players-cheaper-than-omega-better-than-alpha/432838 "2023-12-17T11:34:38Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 1\ **Showing post:** 40
**Author:** ![Rail\_J\_kar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/rail_j_kar/32/374429_2.png) [@Rail\_J\_kar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Rail_J_kar)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2023, 6:39pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/introduce-a-new-class-of-subscription-beta-players-cheaper-than-omega-better-than-alpha/432838/40 "2023-12-24T18:39:13Z")
> [@Wadiest\_Yong](#): > > So you want to have a discussion on the real meaning of advertisements ? > [@Wadiest\_Yong](#): > > Just look up the meaning of “manipulation” and of “there’s one born every minute”. > [@Wadiest\_Yong](#): > > Honestly, you believe all that stuff ?! Enjoy ! If they claim the product is something it isn’t, that’s a potential case for fraud. > [@Wadiest\_Yong](#): > > > [@Rail\_J\_kar](#): > > > > I do understand there are challenges that may be unsurmountable, but it can’t really be known if those can or can’t be overcome until there’s hard data to suggest either way. > > Yeah, let’s break stuff to prove it could be broken. Good plan. The direction things are going doesn’t scream “resounding success.” I’m not prophesying doom and gloom here, but it is true that EVE servers have roughly half the concurrent users from their peak about a decade ago. Recent expansions have been well received, but the overall userbase hasn’t seen continual growth in terms of server numbers. Even with Havoc peaking at 40k, it’s already settled back to pre-havoc numbers (server has 26k as I type this.) To bring this back around to the op and to keep this post from going way off topic, it seems quite clear that there are many people who find the current pricing to not be worth their money. As an example, a post from another thread about the [winter omega sales](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/where-are-the-omega-sales/433533): > [@Where are the Omega sales?](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/where-are-the-omega-sales/433533/1): > > I really don’t get the point of MCT when you can’t use more than 1 character at once. > > I was about to create a 3rd account and top-off omega on all 3, but the lackluster sale made me reconsider. > [@Where are the Omega sales?](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/where-are-the-omega-sales/433533/3): > > Don’t get me started… 🤭 > > > [@](#): > > > > I have taken the opportunity of renewing my subscriptions over the Christmas sales for the past few years, and yet this time there was no sale. The $99USD was for me an agreeable price (even though that’s a fair bit more in my CDN conversion). $131USD is more than my purse is comfortable paying. You no want my money? The laws of supply and demand are ever in motion, and even if they weren’t, it’s not such a simple thing as “charge more money = get more money.” When CCP bumped the sub from 15 a month to 20 a month, they lost roughly 5k concurrent users. I don’t know what that means in terms of actual subscribers, but considering that CCP also ran a slew of special sales during that time that put the price at or below the previous price, I imagine it was significant. It was only uprising that brought the server numbers back to pre-fanfest 2022 levels, but this graph doesn’t tell us how many of those numbers are actual subscribers. Considering the fact that both uprising and viridian were fairly alpha friendly content releases, it’s very possible subscriber numbers not only didn’t climb, but they very well could have dropped further. ![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/0/1/5/015eb884ade11c430e76fd44ddde80cbcbad3edd.png) The point is, is that CCP seems to be searching for a better way to do things, and separating caps into a higher payment tier could be one of those ways to move forward. I’m not really sure how CCP would test that. Maybe limited time beta clone sales? --- _[View the full topic](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/introduce-a-new-class-of-subscription-beta-players-cheaper-than-omega-better-than-alpha/432838)._