# Introduce Upkeep allready **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [March 31, 2021, 11:42am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/introduce-upkeep-allready/303247 "2021-03-31T11:42:20Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 1\ **Showing post:** 133
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2021, 4:32pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/introduce-upkeep-allready/303247/133 "2021-04-05T16:32:23Z")
> [@Merin\_Ryskin](#): > > “You suck, \*\*\*\* you” is an insult. It is an insult when said in isolation, and it is still only an insult even if it happens in proximity to an argument. An ad hominem is ONLY an argument of the form “you suck, therefore X”. I’m genuinely surprised by how many people use the term “ad hominem” and don’t understand what it actually means, which is exactly what’s in this highlighted section. And while I don’t have a cock in this fight, one of Anderson’s [recent posts](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/this-forum-is-brutal/303437/703) really stands out in my memory: ![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/7/f/d/7fdd1e9fa0dbd4db20e7e598a24adff59b71a950.png) That is some **extreme** misinterpretation of terms. Even a 99-cent dictionary bases the definition of violence on the presence of physical force, so it’s a bit concerning that someone so intently focused on direct interpretations would do this, or to interpret pretty much anything short of full agreement as a “personal attack” (as I’m sure this post will be as well). I mean it’s fine if someone wants to base all their arguments on formal definitions or encyclopedia articles or whatever, but then it actually has to be done _by the book_. --- _[View the full topic](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/introduce-upkeep-allready/303247)._