# Introducing the HyperNet Relay **URL:** \ **Category:** Dev Blogs\ **Tags:** official, devblog\ **Created:** [November 27, 2019, 2:56pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/introducing-the-hypernet-relay/203064 "2019-11-27T14:56:12Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 56
**Author:** ![FairyTail\_Omaristos](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/fairytail_omaristos/32/145000_2.png) [@FairyTail\_Omaristos](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/FairyTail_Omaristos)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2019, 4:16am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/introducing-the-hypernet-relay/203064/1124 "2019-11-28T04:16:45Z")
No u and your face! HA! ---
**Author:** ![antraxiom\_delfinium](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/antraxiom_delfinium/32/280071_2.png) [@antraxiom\_delfinium](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/antraxiom_delfinium)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2019, 4:20am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/introducing-the-hypernet-relay/203064/1125 "2019-11-28T04:20:15Z")
You cant say “Gambling, bad” then institute Gambling. ---
**Author:** ![Merin\_Ryskin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/merin_ryskin/32/259354_2.png) [@Merin\_Ryskin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Merin_Ryskin)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2019, 4:20am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/introducing-the-hypernet-relay/203064/1126 "2019-11-28T04:20:38Z")
> [@Algathas](#): > > They have their lawyers and know the law. Alternatively, they’re trying to cash in on short-term gain before the whole loot box thing gets shut down. ---
**Author:** ![Algathas](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/algathas/32/397229_2.png) [@Algathas](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Algathas)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2019, 4:21am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/introducing-the-hypernet-relay/203064/1127 "2019-11-28T04:21:13Z")
It’s not a loot box. ---
**Author:** ![Gaius\_Mileghere](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gaius_mileghere/32/258417_2.png) [@Gaius\_Mileghere](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gaius_Mileghere)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2019, 4:22am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/introducing-the-hypernet-relay/203064/1128 "2019-11-28T04:22:14Z")
it’s a lottery. See my previous (citation-filled) comments. ---
**Author:** ![Scoots\_Choco](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scoots_choco/32/262262_2.png) [@Scoots\_Choco](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scoots_Choco)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2019, 4:23am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/introducing-the-hypernet-relay/203064/1129 "2019-11-28T04:23:54Z")
Yeah, there’s an idea. Why don’t you guys just wait for it to come out on the 10th and then file a lawsuit against CCP? If you’re this confident that it’s breaking gambling laws, should be pretty easy to win, lmao. ---
**Author:** ![Alcorak](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/alcorak/32/383015_2.png) [@Alcorak](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Alcorak)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2019, 4:24am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/introducing-the-hypernet-relay/203064/1130 "2019-11-28T04:24:09Z")
I love the idea, but I hate the implementation. On the good side, I love that this sort of activity is coming back to EVE, and have always liked popular out-of-game services getting integration directly into the main client. On the bad side, oh man… This probably should have been given some more time to incubate. The good with the bad in Chaos era. First, this is a significant feature addition added behind a paywall _other than Omega_ and flies in the face of the freemium model. If you pay the subscription, you should get the game with all its updates/features unlocked. CCP should, at worst, be using this feature to drive more people to Omega by making raffle creation an Omega service. Secondly, there’s the permabans for the existence of popular services just like this, even after they followed CCP’s demands regarding RMT. There’s a perceived level of hypocrisy here that will likely require some sort of statement from CCP. What happened to all those issues with gambling and RMT? Third, the requirement of, essentially cash, to list items that will inflate the minimum raffle price to value of item + PLEX/cash cost + margin. Simple supply and demand here makes listing on the market the superior option for both sides of the transaction. CCP already has a clear problem with ISK faucet/funnels as evidenced by the extra transaction taxes recently implemented. If the goal was to do what is good for the game here, there would be an ISK tax on this instead of cash to allow more market-favorable balancing of transaction taxes. ---
**Author:** ![Algathas](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/algathas/32/397229_2.png) [@Algathas](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Algathas)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2019, 4:24am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/introducing-the-hypernet-relay/203064/1131 "2019-11-28T04:24:12Z")
A raffle for fake worthless items for fake worthless isk. Also the players in the raffle are not playing against the house, it is other players. ---
**Author:** ![Gaius\_Mileghere](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gaius_mileghere/32/258417_2.png) [@Gaius\_Mileghere](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gaius_Mileghere)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2019, 4:24am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/introducing-the-hypernet-relay/203064/1132 "2019-11-28T04:24:32Z")
a t-shirt isn’t a transit currency, it’s movable commodity external to the game environment. Unless you’re saying you bought the shirt specifically to flip it with the sole intention of gambling the proceeds. Which is a stretch and a half. ---
**Author:** ![Merin\_Ryskin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/merin_ryskin/32/259354_2.png) [@Merin\_Ryskin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Merin_Ryskin)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2019, 4:25am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/introducing-the-hypernet-relay/203064/1133 "2019-11-28T04:25:13Z")
> [@Gaius\_Mileghere](#): > > it’s a lottery. See my previous (citation-filled) comments. It is, but it’s almost certainly going to be targeted by the same anti-loot-box legislation. ---
**Author:** ![Gaius\_Mileghere](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gaius_mileghere/32/258417_2.png) [@Gaius\_Mileghere](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gaius_Mileghere)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2019, 4:25am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/introducing-the-hypernet-relay/203064/1134 "2019-11-28T04:25:36Z")
there’d be no need, the Gambling Commission would be all over it. ---
**Author:** ![Scoots\_Choco](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scoots_choco/32/262262_2.png) [@Scoots\_Choco](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scoots_Choco)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2019, 4:26am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/introducing-the-hypernet-relay/203064/1135 "2019-11-28T04:26:45Z")
> [@Gaius\_Mileghere](#): > > no need, the Gambling Commission would be all over it. And I’ll sit here and watch as nothing happens. 🙂 I trust CCP’s legal team a bit more than some forum warriors, lol. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Receptionist](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/the_receptionist/32/267761_2.png) [@The\_Receptionist](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/The_Receptionist)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2019, 4:27am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/introducing-the-hypernet-relay/203064/1136 "2019-11-28T04:27:06Z")
■■■■■■■ yikes CCP. I just resubbed, after not playing for EVE for like two years. Undoing that right this second. ---
**Author:** ![Merin\_Ryskin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/merin_ryskin/32/259354_2.png) [@Merin\_Ryskin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Merin_Ryskin)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2019, 4:27am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/introducing-the-hypernet-relay/203064/1137 "2019-11-28T04:27:16Z")
> [@Scoots\_Choco](#): > > Why don’t you guys just wait for it to come out on the 10th and then file a lawsuit against CCP? Because the laws in question are still pending or unclear in their implementation and lawsuits cost money. I don’t see how this option is better than the alternative of CCP seeing the player riot about to happen and backing down from an idiotic idea. ---
**Author:** ![FairyTail\_Omaristos](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/fairytail_omaristos/32/145000_2.png) [@FairyTail\_Omaristos](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/FairyTail_Omaristos)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2019, 4:27am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/introducing-the-hypernet-relay/203064/1138 "2019-11-28T04:27:50Z")
Wait! Did you just assume legal team? IN 2019!??!!?! ---
**Author:** ![Algathas](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/algathas/32/397229_2.png) [@Algathas](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Algathas)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2019, 4:28am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/introducing-the-hypernet-relay/203064/1139 "2019-11-28T04:28:09Z")
Or more likely no riot will happen and people will enjoy using the new feature to either make isk or to try and win items. ---
**Author:** ![Gaius\_Mileghere](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gaius_mileghere/32/258417_2.png) [@Gaius\_Mileghere](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gaius_Mileghere)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2019, 4:29am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/introducing-the-hypernet-relay/203064/1140 "2019-11-28T04:29:30Z")
there is no House stake in a raffle or lottery, it is entirely funded by the participants, unlike a gambling casino where the odds are always stacked in favour of the House. That, in Law, is the only difference between a lottery and a casino. As far as the participants in a lottery are concerned, every other participant is the House. ---
**Author:** ![Kemhotep](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kemhotep/32/317088_2.png) [@Kemhotep](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kemhotep)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2019, 4:32am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/introducing-the-hypernet-relay/203064/1141 "2019-11-28T04:32:44Z")
■■■■ you CCP. ---
**Author:** ![Sgt\_Ocker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sgt_ocker/32/270881_2.png) [@Sgt\_Ocker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sgt_Ocker)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2019, 4:35am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/introducing-the-hypernet-relay/203064/1142 "2019-11-28T04:35:25Z")
> [@Scoots\_Choco](#): > > You don’t pay real money to gamble on the Hypernet Relay. Please tell me where you can put in real money Ahhh, the items needed to start a raffle can ONLY be purchased with plex which is paid for originally with someones real money. Whether you personally buy the plex with real money or isk doesn’t change the fact REAL money is required at some point to buy the hypernet relays. ---
**Author:** ![Sgt\_Ocker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sgt_ocker/32/270881_2.png) [@Sgt\_Ocker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sgt_Ocker)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2019, 4:38am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/introducing-the-hypernet-relay/203064/1143 "2019-11-28T04:38:07Z")
Actually CCP’s stake in these raffles is guaranteed - They sell the plex used to start a raffle. It is a win win for CCP with no risk at all. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/introducing-the-hypernet-relay/203064.md?page=55) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/introducing-the-hypernet-relay/203064.md?page=57)