# Introducing the HyperNet Relay **URL:** \ **Category:** Dev Blogs\ **Tags:** official, devblog\ **Created:** [November 27, 2019, 2:56pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/introducing-the-hypernet-relay/203064 "2019-11-27T14:56:12Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 61
**Author:** ![F3ND1MUS](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/f3nd1mus/32/377706_2.png) [@F3ND1MUS](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/F3ND1MUS)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2019, 11:08am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/introducing-the-hypernet-relay/203064/1224 "2019-11-28T11:08:37Z")
what…slippery slopes were fun back in the day we used to slide on em and get all wet and wild, now you say its a bad thing. How so? ---
**Author:** ![Duro\_Peripar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/duro_peripar/32/168259_2.png) [@Duro\_Peripar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Duro_Peripar)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2019, 11:22am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/introducing-the-hypernet-relay/203064/1225 "2019-11-28T11:22:29Z")
All those complainers simply can’t take the fact that ccp (and some reasonbale people in the forum) simply see the need to make EVE more…hm…markatable in order to survive… And yes,this means MORE casual,LESS hardcore…something i demand for YEARS now…finally CCP sees the light… And it also means that all of your complains will lead to nothing…the course is set and all your whining about it will be just YOUR tears… Get used to it or leave,those are your options… ---
**Author:** ![Elithiel\_en\_Gravonere](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/elithiel_en_gravonere/32/234789_2.png) [@Elithiel\_en\_Gravonere](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Elithiel_en_Gravonere)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2019, 11:22am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/introducing-the-hypernet-relay/203064/1226 "2019-11-28T11:22:29Z")
I seriously HATE this decision. Last time they allowed online gambling, we had the Casino War. It was terrible. It also means it becomes a form of pay to win, rather than play to win. We lost our space homes because of it. Besides that, it’s morally corrupt and reduces Eve to capitalism for profit only, rather than actually concentrating on fixing the game that’s got a LOT of balance issues right now. Terrible decision. Just don’t do it CCP! ---
**Author:** ![Duro\_Peripar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/duro_peripar/32/168259_2.png) [@Duro\_Peripar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Duro_Peripar)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2019, 11:24am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/introducing-the-hypernet-relay/203064/1227 "2019-11-28T11:24:51Z")
Whiner… Get adult and face the fact that YOUR opinion does not count regarding a buisness decision… Money counts not tradition and this is a good thing… ---
**Author:** ![F3ND1MUS](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/f3nd1mus/32/377706_2.png) [@F3ND1MUS](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/F3ND1MUS)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2019, 11:36am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/introducing-the-hypernet-relay/203064/1228 "2019-11-28T11:36:16Z")
you believe this? based on what exactly? ---
**Author:** ![Rhayn\_Rowe](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/rhayn_rowe/32/405925_2.png) [@Rhayn\_Rowe](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Rhayn_Rowe)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2019, 11:40am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/introducing-the-hypernet-relay/203064/1229 "2019-11-28T11:40:07Z")
Remember guys, Somer Blink and in-game gambling is super super bad and you should be punished for it… unless we get a cut. ---
**Author:** ![Elithiel\_en\_Gravonere](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/elithiel_en_gravonere/32/234789_2.png) [@Elithiel\_en\_Gravonere](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Elithiel_en_Gravonere)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2019, 11:40am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/introducing-the-hypernet-relay/203064/1230 "2019-11-28T11:40:54Z")
Your reply doesn’t actually present a coherent argument. There’s not much to talk about with your trolling. Sorry dude. Come back with an actual coherent argument. ---
**Author:** ![Elithiel\_en\_Gravonere](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/elithiel_en_gravonere/32/234789_2.png) [@Elithiel\_en\_Gravonere](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Elithiel_en_Gravonere)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2019, 11:46am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/introducing-the-hypernet-relay/203064/1231 "2019-11-28T11:46:36Z")
I believe it opens up the possibility of people abusing this system to RMT and/or exchange winnings for in game isk (whether through third parties or otherwise). It could then be used to finance paying other groups in the game. Also, whenever online gambling goes, organised crime tends to follow. They look for ways to hide their illegal earnings through the drug trade and launder it. Online cryptocurrencies and online gambling, tends to be one easy way for them to launder. What we don’t know is how will these people (third parties) setting up online gambling sites, be vetted? Chances are, CCP will open themselves up to legal suites in OECD countries too. Australia, France and plenty of other countries will be lining up to take them to court. It’s really an unhealthy type of business to get into. Yeah, there’s a lot fo money involved but equally, the risks of becoming havens of corruption are equally great. In short, I don’t think it’s a great business model for legitimate online games companies, to invest in. ---
**Author:** ![PinkFatRabbit](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/pinkfatrabbit/32/158748_2.png) [@PinkFatRabbit](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/PinkFatRabbit)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2019, 11:49am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/introducing-the-hypernet-relay/203064/1232 "2019-11-28T11:49:48Z")
this is casino gambling. how is this diffrent form iwanisk what you have banned? this is a wast of dev time imo ---
**Author:** ![Katana\_Masen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/katana_masen/32/471330_2.png) [@Katana\_Masen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Katana_Masen)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2019, 11:51am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/introducing-the-hypernet-relay/203064/1233 "2019-11-28T11:51:18Z")
So do you CCP want to get profit from this ? IF NOT you can just sell this item for ISK through NPC market, can’t you ? Why do you sell this Hyper core for PLEX through NES ? ---
**Author:** ![Ikki\_Phoenix](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ikki_phoenix/32/391105_2.png) [@Ikki\_Phoenix](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ikki_Phoenix)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2019, 11:55am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/introducing-the-hypernet-relay/203064/1234 "2019-11-28T11:55:08Z")
> [@Brisc\_Rubal](#): > > One of the things they’ve learned is to ignore the stuff people say in the first day, and instead wait a little while and see what the feedback shows once people have had a chance to digest things without the groupthink and knee-jerk whining. If that is what they learned and what Hillmar means by “learning company”, then he needs to quit and move to something else. Waiting and pray that everyone’s opinion will change is the worst possible way to run a company. They got their feedback and they need to back down from this craziness. > [@Brisc\_Rubal](#): > > They can’t make the CSM respond, they can’t stop the CSM from responding. They’ve already made the decision to add this to the game - the debate over should they is beyond over. They really only want feedback on the feature itself, which almost no one (here) is providing. WIll disagree. Very easy for CCP to post on the CSM discord channel or call the CSM and tell them that CCP has grown some balls and will now handle the defense of this. And again, they got their feedback > [@Brisc\_Rubal](#): > > The real answer is likely that they weren’t ready with the final details and approvals and didn’t want to promise something that might not actually happen at Vegas. London was short on anything substantive because the format didn’t include a keynote, and they didn’t make many major announcements. I was there, and I was mostly bored. Seriously? Are you really going to try and convince that CCP didnt have this fully ready by Vegas? I would venture they had this ready to go about 6 month ago and for the past 6 month it was in supposed QA testing. And don’t you find it quite “amusing” that as soon as Vegas and London are over with, they release something like this? > [@Brisc\_Rubal](#): > > Many of them read a lot of this stuff. They just don’t comment. If you ever talk to CCP, I would suggest you strongly advise them to grow some balls and start defending their own crap ---
**Author:** ![Duro\_Peripar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/duro_peripar/32/168259_2.png) [@Duro\_Peripar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Duro_Peripar)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2019, 12:02pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/introducing-the-hypernet-relay/203064/1235 "2019-11-28T12:02:18Z")
> [@Elithiel\_en\_Gravonere](#): > > Your reply doesn’t actually present a coherent argument. There’s not much to talk about with your trolling. Sorry dude. Come back with an actual coherent argument. So…YOU not having my opinion makes MY opinion not coherent? WOW… Describing the reality of real life buisness(which CCP is) is not coherent? Maybe you have a complete other flaw in you posting or in your behaviour regarding other opinions you don’t even realize… ---
**Author:** ![Ikki\_Phoenix](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ikki_phoenix/32/391105_2.png) [@Ikki\_Phoenix](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ikki_Phoenix)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2019, 12:02pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/introducing-the-hypernet-relay/203064/1236 "2019-11-28T12:02:24Z")
I would not hold my breath on Hillmar stepping up. I will probably die of old age before it happens… ---
**Author:** ![Duro\_Peripar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/duro_peripar/32/168259_2.png) [@Duro\_Peripar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Duro_Peripar)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2019, 12:05pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/introducing-the-hypernet-relay/203064/1237 "2019-11-28T12:05:29Z")
Why should he? The decisons are made and final… ---
**Author:** ![Duro\_Peripar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/duro_peripar/32/168259_2.png) [@Duro\_Peripar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Duro_Peripar)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2019, 12:08pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/introducing-the-hypernet-relay/203064/1238 "2019-11-28T12:08:52Z")
> [@Ikki\_Phoenix](#): > > If you ever talk to CCP, I would suggest you strongly advise them to grow some balls and start defending their own crap It IS not “their crap” anymore… PLEASE simply face the reality… And WOW…a company wants to make PROFIT? Really? Wow ---
**Author:** ![Dain\_Torson](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dain_torson/32/170251_2.png) [@Dain\_Torson](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dain_Torson)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2019, 12:28pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/introducing-the-hypernet-relay/203064/1239 "2019-11-28T12:28:37Z")
Wow, this really is happening… I have never been truly disappointed in you, CCP. Until this update. Now it’s clear that PA is in control of development decisions. ---
**Author:** ![ArmyOfMe](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/armyofme/32/514222_2.png) [@ArmyOfMe](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/ArmyOfMe)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2019, 12:31pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/introducing-the-hypernet-relay/203064/1240 "2019-11-28T12:31:56Z")
First you remove all ingame betting, saying its bad. Then wait a few years, release betting where you have to spend money to use it… Profit. What a dumb as f\*\*\* idea. Makes me not want to play the game anymore when I see what kinda shitshow CCP is turning into ---
**Author:** ![Borbarad\_Naglfar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/borbarad_naglfar/32/131048_2.png) [@Borbarad\_Naglfar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Borbarad_Naglfar)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2019, 12:47pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/introducing-the-hypernet-relay/203064/1241 "2019-11-28T12:47:06Z")
> [@Duro\_Peripar](#): > > And WOW…a company wants to make PROFIT? off GAMBLING!? There is no reason whatsoever to have this integrated with the NES if it’s just about a system that enables raffles but CCP knows exactly what kind of people will blow grandmas inheritance on this ■■■■ and has dollar signs in their eyes. Also already practiclly guarnteed that this will be against the law as soon as regulations catch up with loot boxes. Doesn’t matter that CCP only takes a ‘fixed’ profit per gamble - it’s still an online casino environment. It’s impertinent to blow dev time on a feature that will be gone again in a few months max just to ride the loot box train as long as it’s still going. They banned players for this stuff on ‘ethical grounds’ and for ‘potential conflict with the law’ now they do it themselves and make bank in doing so - f-ing hypocrisy. ---
**Author:** ![Orochimaru\_Angel](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/orochimaru_angel/32/368310_2.png) [@Orochimaru\_Angel](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Orochimaru_Angel)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2019, 12:48pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/introducing-the-hypernet-relay/203064/1242 "2019-11-28T12:48:46Z")
Amazing,… unbelievable and totally against their own laws that so many got banned for… but amazing. Best Christmas present ever! ---
**Author:** ![Stille\_Nacht](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/stille_nacht/32/170263_2.png) [@Stille\_Nacht](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Stille_Nacht)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2019, 12:49pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/introducing-the-hypernet-relay/203064/1243 "2019-11-28T12:49:00Z")
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