# Introducing The Winter Expansion - EVE Online: Lifeblood **URL:** \ **Category:** Announcements\ **Created:** [September 1, 2017, 5:53pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/introducing-the-winter-expansion-eve-online-lifeblood/21284 "2017-09-01T17:53:35Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Jin\_taan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jin_taan/32/381307_2.png) [@Jin\_taan](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jin_taan)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2017, 6:34pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/introducing-the-winter-expansion-eve-online-lifeblood/21284/22 "2017-09-01T18:34:20Z")
The belts made by moon drilling are vastly smaller than regular asteroid belts, by a scale of magnitudes, so unless you wanted all belts to be taken away from HS, not in its current iteration. The CSM did discuss bringing it to the other areas of space (HS/WH’s) at the summit. ---
**Author:** ![Dinsdale\_Pirannha](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dinsdale_pirannha/32/254927_2.png) [@Dinsdale\_Pirannha](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dinsdale_Pirannha)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2017, 6:49pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/introducing-the-winter-expansion-eve-online-lifeblood/21284/23 "2017-09-01T18:49:48Z")
> [@Jin\_taan](#): > > Yes, you get two new major PvE content releases on the same patch, as well as a Balance Pass that will likely affect some of the ships you can use. In addition, Refineries will be usable in Hisec should you wish to gain the maximum return from your ore mining. The devil is in the details. I remain justifiably skeptical until the specifics and economics are laid out. If this is some just some shiny trinket like the Agency and PVE event before that, with a joke of rewards, then it is for naught. These changes have to quite literally bring new trillions of ISK per month into high sec exclusively to even come close to justify the outrages done to high sec in the past years. And as for that crap about a balance pass for ships I “might use”, that is also a joke. First off, history shows that balance passes have been a disaster. Secondly, they are in essence, supposed to be neutral (hence the word “balance”) Thirdly, any ship can be used in any sector of space, and I am no Alpha. So don’t try to pass off more screwing around with ship stats as something that is good for high sec, or high sec content. ---
**Author:** ![William\_Ormono](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/william_ormono/32/21364_2.png) [@William\_Ormono](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/William_Ormono)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2017, 6:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/introducing-the-winter-expansion-eve-online-lifeblood/21284/24 "2017-09-01T18:50:29Z")
Awesome news! Something to look forward to in October 😁 ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2017, 7:01pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/introducing-the-winter-expansion-eve-online-lifeblood/21284/25 "2017-09-01T19:01:05Z")
Especially happy to see new collaborative Pve content for hisec, well done CCP. ---
**Author:** ![Vollhov\_Jr](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/vollhov_jr/32/510418_2.png) [@Vollhov\_Jr](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Vollhov_Jr)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2017, 7:05pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/introducing-the-winter-expansion-eve-online-lifeblood/21284/26 "2017-09-01T19:05:19Z")
![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/8/7/872488aae3870a84118ec45ca6f204533ddbdfc0.png) 🙄 ![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/7/4/74d395a2c2906c7336aaca0414883d91278ba17d.png) ---
**Author:** ![Black\_Pedro](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/black_pedro/32/257285_2.png) [@Black\_Pedro](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Black_Pedro)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2017, 7:07pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/introducing-the-winter-expansion-eve-online-lifeblood/21284/27 "2017-09-01T19:07:35Z")
Yeah! New content and in October to boot. Well done and can’t wait to see the details. ---
**Author:** ![Evocationz\_Adhera](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/evocationz_adhera/32/17924_2.png) [@Evocationz\_Adhera](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Evocationz_Adhera)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2017, 7:15pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/introducing-the-winter-expansion-eve-online-lifeblood/21284/28 "2017-09-01T19:15:44Z")
WINTER IS HERE ---
**Author:** ![Rowells](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/rowells/32/141343_2.png) [@Rowells](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Rowells)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2017, 7:16pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/introducing-the-winter-expansion-eve-online-lifeblood/21284/29 "2017-09-01T19:16:26Z")
Is this new market ticker customizable? ---
**Author:** ![Kalahira\_Sarlain](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kalahira_sarlain/32/19941_2.png) [@Kalahira\_Sarlain](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kalahira_Sarlain)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2017, 7:21pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/introducing-the-winter-expansion-eve-online-lifeblood/21284/30 "2017-09-01T19:21:14Z")
Yes please ! As an alpha I’m curious about the balance changes and excited about the improved weapon effects. ---
**Author:** ![Jeremiah\_Saken](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jeremiah_saken/32/266740_2.png) [@Jeremiah\_Saken](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jeremiah_Saken)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2017, 7:21pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/introducing-the-winter-expansion-eve-online-lifeblood/21284/31 "2017-09-01T19:21:35Z")
Need more data, I don’t know what to think about it yet. Things looks promising but knowing CCP it may end as well as last agency events… ---
**Author:** ![Wolfe\_Loderun](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wolfe_loderun/32/29653_2.png) [@Wolfe\_Loderun](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Wolfe_Loderun)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2017, 7:26pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/introducing-the-winter-expansion-eve-online-lifeblood/21284/32 "2017-09-01T19:26:15Z")
> [@Evocationz\_Adhera](#): > > WINTER IS HERE ![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/6/1/6137a7eb0772e8b3fcba3414af5b01ebcb62e862.jpg) ---
**Author:** ![yellow\_parasol](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/yellow_parasol/32/10455_2.png) [@yellow\_parasol](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/yellow_parasol)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2017, 7:31pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/introducing-the-winter-expansion-eve-online-lifeblood/21284/33 "2017-09-01T19:31:51Z")
> [@Dinsdale\_Pirannha](#): > > If this is some just some shiny trinket like the Agency and PVE event before that, with a joke of rewards, then it is for naught. > > These changes have to quite literally bring new trillions of ISK per month into high sec exclusively to even come close to justify the outrages done to high sec in the past years. Interesting. For you, it’s not about the content, but about the money. it’s **all** about the money. The content and potential fun doesn’t matter. What matters is the reward, or incentive. For you, that’s the reason to run this content. The money. You underline this perfectly in your next paragraph, where you talk about trillions of isk the people of highsec should become/earn/etc., aka higher payouts. I don’t see the point behind this, because there is no reason for increasing the rewards, unless it’s for people to make more money they don’t actually need, because prices for everything but PLEX are pretty low. This leads me to a question! 😃 Are you a farmer? ---
**Author:** ![Frostys\_Virpio](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/frostys_virpio/32/12703_2.png) [@Frostys\_Virpio](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Frostys_Virpio)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2017, 7:34pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/introducing-the-winter-expansion-eve-online-lifeblood/21284/34 "2017-09-01T19:34:21Z")
> [@Dinsdale\_Pirannha](#): > > These changes have to quite literally bring new trillions of ISK per month into high sec exclusively to even come close to justify the outrages done to high sec in the past years. If they add trillions of ISK to high-sec, the “null-sec cartels” will put more alts in high-sec and farm it for all it’s worth. ---
**Author:** ![Yiole\_Gionglao](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/yiole_gionglao/32/516090_2.png) [@Yiole\_Gionglao](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Yiole_Gionglao)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2017, 7:43pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/introducing-the-winter-expansion-eve-online-lifeblood/21284/35 "2017-09-01T19:43:24Z")
Multiplayer PvE? This is what CCP thinks that highsec space needs? CCP: bringing water to places where no horse would even pee, let alone drink. ---
**Author:** ![Ptraci](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ptraci/32/18349_2.png) [@Ptraci](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ptraci)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2017, 7:44pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/introducing-the-winter-expansion-eve-online-lifeblood/21284/36 "2017-09-01T19:44:33Z")
> [@yellow\_parasol](#): > > Are you a farmer? Oct 24th we are all farmers, now ---
**Author:** ![Arcanith\_Lionheart](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arcanith_lionheart/32/218531_2.png) [@Arcanith\_Lionheart](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arcanith_Lionheart)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2017, 7:45pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/introducing-the-winter-expansion-eve-online-lifeblood/21284/37 "2017-09-01T19:45:02Z")
> **[\[Video\] When I see something I want, really badly](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/video-when-i-want-something-really-badly/21294?u=arcanith_lionheart)** > > Really badly. ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2017, 7:45pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/introducing-the-winter-expansion-eve-online-lifeblood/21284/38 "2017-09-01T19:45:27Z")
> [@yellow\_parasol](#): > > it’s all about the money. The content and potential fun doesn’t matter. What matters is the reward, or incentive. For you, that’s the reason to run this content. The money. Not to state the mind-bogglingly obvious, but for some people, the money _is_ their fun. > [@Frostys\_Virpio](#): > > If they add trillions of ISK to high-sec, the “null-sec cartels” will put more alts in high-sec and farm it for all it’s worth. Ugh. Deal with high-sec and all of the utterly ridiculous crap that entails? I think I’d rather drive a railway spike into my urethra. We do need more information on these FOBs and ‘Resource Wars’ though… and maybe, I dunno… an actual trailer, instead of just an animated version of the moon-mining header art we’ve been seeing for six months, with sound effects from the cartoons of the 1970s? Half-expected to hear ‘Spaaaaaaaace Ghooooooooooooooooost’ in the background there. ---
**Author:** ![Yiole\_Gionglao](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/yiole_gionglao/32/516090_2.png) [@Yiole\_Gionglao](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Yiole_Gionglao)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2017, 7:45pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/introducing-the-winter-expansion-eve-online-lifeblood/21284/39 "2017-09-01T19:45:51Z")
It’s multiplayer PvE, Dinsdale. You should guess **_who_** is gonna bother with it as highseccers keep quitting over lack of new solo content. ---
**Author:** ![Yiole\_Gionglao](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/yiole_gionglao/32/516090_2.png) [@Yiole\_Gionglao](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Yiole_Gionglao)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2017, 7:51pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/introducing-the-winter-expansion-eve-online-lifeblood/21284/40 "2017-09-01T19:51:41Z")
Yes, because highsec is not dying from a starvation of additional solo content. ---
**Author:** ![Benje\_en\_Divalone](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/benje_en_divalone/32/11879_2.png) [@Benje\_en\_Divalone](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Benje_en_Divalone)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2017, 7:52pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/introducing-the-winter-expansion-eve-online-lifeblood/21284/41 "2017-09-01T19:52:58Z")
The FOB’s sound intriguing. I’d need to hear more about Resource Wars but as presented it sounds like an epic fail. If it causes negative empire standings nobody interested in HS PvE is going to touch it. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/introducing-the-winter-expansion-eve-online-lifeblood/21284.md?page=1) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/introducing-the-winter-expansion-eve-online-lifeblood/21284.md?page=3)