# Invasion content biased toward EDENCOM **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [May 27, 2020, 9:39pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/invasion-content-biased-toward-edencom/244532 "2020-05-27T21:39:31Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Syn\_Shi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/syn_shi/32/242535_2.png) [@Syn\_Shi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Syn_Shi)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2020, 2:45pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/invasion-content-biased-toward-edencom/244532/61 "2020-05-30T14:45:29Z")
What grind. Join a null corp, farm isk till you are phat with isk. Go blow stuff up. Has been demonstrated many times in streams how easy it is to make isk in null. Seems some here just want to make no effort at all because when it comes to pvp they lose too often. This isn’t a moba where you spawn back losing nothing. ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2020, 7:36pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/invasion-content-biased-toward-edencom/244532/62 "2020-05-30T19:36:27Z")
> [@Sinead\_O\_Carroll](#): > > I see you want no consequences for your actions. Typical behavior for a PVP player, really. You’re happy to ruin someone else’s play time, but YOUR play time? Sacred. I want consequences for _everybody’s_ actions. As I said in another thread I believe, the concept of “consequences” is something touted by carebears with regard to anything related to any kind of PvP activity, but conveniently ignored when it comes to their _own_ activities. It’s like they’re outsourcing all of the risk to any player group that’s not their own. When we come to talk of fighting, and ganking, and taking losses, the logic is “only the PvPers should be subjected to those things because that’s the choice _they_ made and because that’s _their_ job!” No, consequences for _everybody_. Consequences mean that when you want to mine, you have to stake a claim to a belt, and then either post security to defend your operation, or pay a _massive_ cut of your profits for NPC forces to do it. Consequences mean that players can choose sides out of the NPC factions, and when you’re running missions, players who belong to a faction that you’re attacking during your missions can defend those mission objectives by attacking you. That’s how **actual** consequences would function. Consequences don’t just mean that whenever someone competes or interferes with your PvE farming in any way, the game will conveniently segregate them away from you. So when you start arguing for true consequences for everybody, let me know, and you’ll have my full support. ---
**Author:** ![Sinead\_O\_Carroll](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sinead_o_carroll/32/205065_2.png) [@Sinead\_O\_Carroll](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sinead_O_Carroll)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2020, 7:53pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/invasion-content-biased-toward-edencom/244532/63 "2020-05-30T19:53:19Z")
That’s exactly what I’m arguing for. ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2020, 9:45pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/invasion-content-biased-toward-edencom/244532/64 "2020-05-30T21:45:18Z")
Then that’s fine. Even as someone who’s predominantly engaged in piracy-oriented activities, I know that the consequences for them aren’t exactly where they need to be. But we can’t ask CCP to further strengthen consequences for PvP without _first_ asking them to just **start** implementing consequences for PvE to **some** degree, because right now, there are none. All revenue-generating activities in the game need to expose players to _some_ element of danger from other players. Right now, it is possible for a player to opt out of **all** methods of aggression by others with the exception of suicide-ganking, but suicide-ganking in itself isn’t an anti-PvE risk element, because it applies to everyone equally (a 500m ISK PvP ship is just as likely to get ganked as a 500m ISK PvE ship, so parity already exists). ---
**Author:** ![Darlo\_Kubika](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/darlo_kubika/32/178136_2.png) [@Darlo\_Kubika](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Darlo_Kubika)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2020, 9:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/invasion-content-biased-toward-edencom/244532/65 "2020-05-30T21:50:13Z")
> [@Herzog\_Wolfhammer](#): > > Space republicans Yes ALL bittervets are republicans…that’s part of the problem…they really believe in their masters voice and not in the truth. ---
**Author:** ![Darlo\_Kubika](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/darlo_kubika/32/178136_2.png) [@Darlo\_Kubika](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Darlo_Kubika)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2020, 9:53pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/invasion-content-biased-toward-edencom/244532/66 "2020-05-30T21:53:35Z")
> [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > > [@Nana\_Skalski](#): > > > > Grind is the essence of bad mmorpg design. > > FTFY. Grind IS MMOG…learn to live with it… If you cannot please go away… ---
**Author:** ![Jayce\_Fitzpatrick](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jayce_fitzpatrick/32/383289_2.png) [@Jayce\_Fitzpatrick](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jayce_Fitzpatrick)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2020, 9:54pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/invasion-content-biased-toward-edencom/244532/67 "2020-05-30T21:54:40Z")
> [@Darlo\_Kubika](#): > > ALL bittervets are republicans…that’s part of the problem…they really believe in their masters voice and not in the truth. How are you still allowed to post on these forums? ---
**Author:** ![Darlo\_Kubika](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/darlo_kubika/32/178136_2.png) [@Darlo\_Kubika](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Darlo_Kubika)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2020, 9:55pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/invasion-content-biased-toward-edencom/244532/68 "2020-05-30T21:55:17Z")
> [@Jayce\_Fitzpatrick](#): > > How are you still allowed to post on these forums? Because i’m right… ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2020, 10:30pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/invasion-content-biased-toward-edencom/244532/69 "2020-05-30T22:30:25Z")
Grind is not a game. Look, you clearly dont even know whats meant by it. ---
**Author:** ![MB\_ThePhotographer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mb_thephotographer/32/373722_2.png) [@MB\_ThePhotographer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MB_ThePhotographer)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2020, 10:32pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/invasion-content-biased-toward-edencom/244532/70 "2020-05-30T22:32:56Z")
What online game is not a grind in the end? ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2020, 10:38pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/invasion-content-biased-toward-edencom/244532/71 "2020-05-30T22:38:23Z")
Any one where the act of playing isnt a chore, its actually enjoyable to play the game, not just “unlock” the next palette swapped click ok to pass. If its not dull, its not a grind, basically. ---
**Author:** ![MB\_ThePhotographer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mb_thephotographer/32/373722_2.png) [@MB\_ThePhotographer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MB_ThePhotographer)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2020, 10:43pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/invasion-content-biased-toward-edencom/244532/72 "2020-05-30T22:43:31Z")
Can you name one please? ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2020, 10:48pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/invasion-content-biased-toward-edencom/244532/73 "2020-05-30T22:48:20Z")
Conan Exiles That is, if you are meaning a game where I have yet to find a dull activity the game insists on for “progression” ---
**Author:** ![Jayce\_Fitzpatrick](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jayce_fitzpatrick/32/383289_2.png) [@Jayce\_Fitzpatrick](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jayce_Fitzpatrick)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2020, 10:54pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/invasion-content-biased-toward-edencom/244532/74 "2020-05-30T22:54:38Z")
I mean, isn’t this whole point very subjective? Since you tie whether something is enjoyable or not to the definition of “grind”, it seems very individual whether something is grindy. So whether a game is a grind in the end, would depend on the individual. ---
**Author:** ![MB\_ThePhotographer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mb_thephotographer/32/373722_2.png) [@MB\_ThePhotographer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MB_ThePhotographer)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2020, 10:55pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/invasion-content-biased-toward-edencom/244532/75 "2020-05-30T22:55:41Z")
That doesn’t look that bad, I’ll have to try it. It’s not my usual genre though. But I plat EVE, I can adapt… 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2020, 10:57pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/invasion-content-biased-toward-edencom/244532/76 "2020-05-30T22:57:45Z")
I can agree to that 🙂 Many of EvE’s pve situations are tedious bored to me, but Im useless at PvP, so I pick PvE that has a high chance of PvP engagement. That way its never a grind 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2020, 10:59pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/invasion-content-biased-toward-edencom/244532/77 "2020-05-30T22:59:47Z")
You can play it as a single player, or coop pve or full on Low Sec PvP. Its sharp end is sharper than EvE’s, but theres quite the variation in playstyles to figure out 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2020, 11:10pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/invasion-content-biased-toward-edencom/244532/78 "2020-05-30T23:10:07Z")
> [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > Conan Exiles > > That is, if you are meaning a game where I have yet to find a dull activity the game insists on for “progression” I love that game. > [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > I can agree to that 🙂 > Many of EvE’s pve situations are tedious bored to me, but Im useless at PvP, so I pick PvE that has a high chance of PvP engagement. > > That way its never a grind 🙂 PvP in EVE is actually quite easy to grasp - all you have to do is have the proper mindset. Like 90% of being good at EVE PvP is just keeping your heart rate under control and learning to think of the next 1-2 steps for you to take under pressure. You build those skills up from very small engagements. If you ever want advice just message me. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2020, 11:17pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/invasion-content-biased-toward-edencom/244532/79 "2020-05-30T23:17:14Z")
Thank you, Ill bear it in mind 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![MB\_ThePhotographer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mb_thephotographer/32/373722_2.png) [@MB\_ThePhotographer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MB_ThePhotographer)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2020, 11:33pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/invasion-content-biased-toward-edencom/244532/80 "2020-05-30T23:33:54Z")
I had my 1st pvp kill in 30 days thanks to the corp I was flying with. Intense pve training helped me get rid of the shakes while doing pvp. 😉 [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/invasion-content-biased-toward-edencom/244532.md?page=3) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/invasion-content-biased-toward-edencom/244532.md?page=5)