# Is EVE actually dying? **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [March 31, 2018, 10:59am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-eve-actually-dying/66944 "2018-03-31T10:59:28Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 20
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2018, 12:33pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-eve-actually-dying/66944/445 "2018-09-19T12:33:16Z")
> [@Annah\_Tsero](#): > > Salvosbot.Exe has stopped working I posted 3mins before your response. Clearly, Im still working. ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2018, 12:34pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-eve-actually-dying/66944/447 "2018-09-19T12:34:59Z")
> [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > he’s super mad about bots Funny coming from you, that doesnt “believe” bots/RMT/account hijacking are a serious issue that harms players, the game and CCPs bottomline. ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2018, 12:36pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-eve-actually-dying/66944/449 "2018-09-19T12:36:51Z")
> [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > I don’t believe they are a significant issue Your “belief” is wrong. Both abstractly and concretely. ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2018, 12:38pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-eve-actually-dying/66944/451 "2018-09-19T12:38:41Z")
> [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > 🤣🤣 You heard it here folks, Salvos has an opinion that is different from mine and therefore my opinion is wrong. Mine is based on report data. Yours is not. What is your payoff for lying about and spinning the issue of bots/RMT/account hijacking in EVE. Its almost like you want those to expand and be ignored…Hmmm! ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2018, 12:41pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-eve-actually-dying/66944/453 "2018-09-19T12:41:05Z")
> [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > It’s not though. My posts are based on data. Your posts where based on lying about that data. ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2018, 12:47pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-eve-actually-dying/66944/455 "2018-09-19T12:47:51Z")
You are a self-admitted liar. Nothing you state has any credibility anymore. ---
**Author:** ![Annah\_Tsero](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/annah_tsero/32/96572_2.png) [@Annah\_Tsero](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Annah_Tsero)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2018, 12:51pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-eve-actually-dying/66944/457 "2018-09-19T12:51:31Z")
_cough_ the botting thread is not this one ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2018, 1:01pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-eve-actually-dying/66944/459 "2018-09-19T13:01:13Z")
> [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > who can’t handle different opinions You are a self-admitted liar. Yes, I detest liars. I wont “handle” your lies as anything but lies. ---
**Author:** ![Annah\_Tsero](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/annah_tsero/32/96572_2.png) [@Annah\_Tsero](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Annah_Tsero)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2018, 1:04pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-eve-actually-dying/66944/460 "2018-09-19T13:04:05Z")
> [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > Yes, I detest liars. So you hate yourself? Neat ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2018, 1:08pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-eve-actually-dying/66944/461 "2018-09-19T13:08:08Z")
> [@Annah\_Tsero](#): > > > [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > > > Yes, I detest liars. > > So you hate yourself? Neat Show us where I have ever lied. ---
**Author:** ![Annah\_Tsero](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/annah_tsero/32/96572_2.png) [@Annah\_Tsero](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Annah_Tsero)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2018, 1:28pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-eve-actually-dying/66944/462 "2018-09-19T13:28:23Z")
I’ll just point above, the bot thread, the old bumping threads, ganking threads, wardec threads, etc etc Your dishonesty is hilarious, you’re not a saint like you think you are 😅 ---
**Author:** ![Markus\_Reinhart](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/markus_reinhart/32/133706_2.png) [@Markus\_Reinhart](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Markus_Reinhart)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2018, 3:45pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-eve-actually-dying/66944/463 "2018-09-19T15:45:58Z")
There are far too many issues with bots, and RMT muddies the waters in regards of EVE still being a game or not. Stating that there is no real issue with bots and that CCP takes care of them just fine is mistaken. It’s being misinformed at best and purposely misleading at worst. ---
**Author:** ![Markus\_Reinhart](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/markus_reinhart/32/133706_2.png) [@Markus\_Reinhart](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Markus_Reinhart)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2018, 4:56pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-eve-actually-dying/66944/465 "2018-09-19T16:56:02Z")
Who ever said “free of them” or “never see them”, that’s a straw man argument. Also, most MMO’s don’t have economies like EVE so stating that “they have bots and RMT as well” doesn’t mean that EVE doesn’t have issues with it. There’s Market bots, ratting bots, mining bots, intel channel bots and tons more. It’s an issue. ---
**Author:** ![Beekeeper\_Bob](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/beekeeper_bob/32/395030_2.png) [@Beekeeper\_Bob](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Beekeeper_Bob)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2018, 6:21pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-eve-actually-dying/66944/467 "2018-09-19T18:21:38Z")
Hope you’re on the payroll, because after coming back after 4 years, it appears this game is nothing but botters and afkers. Amarr is a perfect example. It used to be a live hub, now it’s a deadzone where most players are either afk or botting. Game has lost significant numbers, empty systems everywhere. They didn’t go to ftp because things were going well… ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2018, 7:07pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-eve-actually-dying/66944/469 "2018-09-19T19:07:11Z")
> [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > It’s implied because you’re saying it’s a huge issue because there are bots It is a huge issue, and one of the primary detractants causing the death of EVE, very similar to how cancer kills a human. ---
**Author:** ![Annah\_Tsero](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/annah_tsero/32/96572_2.png) [@Annah\_Tsero](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Annah_Tsero)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2018, 7:46pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-eve-actually-dying/66944/470 "2018-09-19T19:46:15Z")
Except cancer wasn’t created by man… Bots on the other hand… Rip argument, it died so young 😂 ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2018, 7:49pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-eve-actually-dying/66944/471 "2018-09-19T19:49:19Z")
> [@Annah\_Tsero](#): > > Except cancer wasn’t created by man… > > Bots on the other hand… They are more alike than you know. Untreated botting/RMT/account hijacking will kill a game, just like untreated cancer will kill a patient. The more tumors there are, the faster they grow and spread, until its too late to save the patient. Action needs to be taken as early and as aggressively as possible. ---
**Author:** ![Annah\_Tsero](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/annah_tsero/32/96572_2.png) [@Annah\_Tsero](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Annah_Tsero)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2018, 7:57pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-eve-actually-dying/66944/472 "2018-09-19T19:57:25Z")
> [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > Untreated botting/RMT/account hijacking will kill a game Where’s the proof of that? A few bots here and there are like fish in the sea, it won’t make a difference no matter what they do XD ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2018, 7:59pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-eve-actually-dying/66944/473 "2018-09-19T19:59:50Z")
> [@Annah\_Tsero](#): > > Where’s the proof of that? Every MMO, ever. > [@Annah\_Tsero](#): > > A few bots here and there are like fish in the sea, it won’t make a difference no matter what they do XD You couldn’t be more wrong. ---
**Author:** ![Annah\_Tsero](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/annah_tsero/32/96572_2.png) [@Annah\_Tsero](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Annah_Tsero)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2018, 8:11pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-eve-actually-dying/66944/474 "2018-09-19T20:11:06Z")
> [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > You couldn’t be more wrong. Where’s the proof? [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-eve-actually-dying/66944.md?page=19) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-eve-actually-dying/66944.md?page=21)