# Is EVE being purposely sabotaged? **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [May 5, 2020, 10:43pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-eve-being-purposely-sabotaged/238617 "2020-05-05T22:43:48Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 18
**Author:** ![Scarlet\_Starfire](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scarlet_starfire/32/244125_2.png) [@Scarlet\_Starfire](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scarlet_Starfire)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2020, 10:13am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-eve-being-purposely-sabotaged/238617/352 "2020-05-26T10:13:06Z")
> [@Steve\_Ronuken](#): > > It appears that, in the eyes of people who have decided that the CSM is the source of all evil, and is just a facade for goons, that the CSM is the source of all evil, and is just a facade for goons. > They don’t have any proof, other than a gut feeling (or surely they’d share such proof?) > And they’re more than happy to slather that over everyone who is on the CSM, or has been on the CSM, regardless of the lack of any connection to the goons. > > Welcome to the world of the paranoid conspiracy theorist. Though they tends to have _some_ argument which they’re willing to share, rather than just a loop. CSM was not a good idea in the first place, just CCP being lazy wanting to deal with a much smaller group of people. You mention Goons, good example. Their corp/alliances are large enough to field CSMs so they’re able to get representation. Whereas a lot of players that aren’t in large corps/alliances will find it harder to get representation. Solo players and small corps will have to rely on what they want being the same as what the large organisations want as they will not be represented themselves. A lot of us don’t even bother voting for the CSM because we don’t know who the candidates are other than what they tell us, we know we won’t have any real representation even if we did vote. The CSM should really be disbanded as it isn’t a true representation of the player base. ---
**Author:** ![Steve\_Ronuken](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/steve_ronuken/32/373894_2.png) [@Steve\_Ronuken](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Steve_Ronuken)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2020, 10:20am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-eve-being-purposely-sabotaged/238617/353 "2020-05-26T10:20:38Z")
> [@Scarlet\_Starfire](#): > > just CCP being lazy wanting to deal with a much smaller group of people. Nope, CCP wanted to be able to talk to a group under NDA, so they could discuss development direction, without the stupid amounts of tinfoil that invariably come from certain sections of the community, and without being seen to commit to something which turns out not to be possible. As for you not voting, of course the CSM doesn’t represent you. How could it? And how would you know who a candidate is? Would you have to know them personally? I assume you don’t vote in any of the elections in your country then. ---
**Author:** ![Scarlet\_Starfire](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scarlet_starfire/32/244125_2.png) [@Scarlet\_Starfire](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scarlet_Starfire)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2020, 10:35am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-eve-being-purposely-sabotaged/238617/354 "2020-05-26T10:35:33Z")
Still means you have the large corps/alliances influencing the direction of the game in their favour. There was a period I didn’t vote for nearly 30 years, not because of I didn’t know who they were but because you come to realise over time you can’t trust a politician, say one thing to get elected, they get elected and then do what they want. Started voting again with Brexit as it was an important decision, only tactical voted since not because I think the party is good, but just to help keep out a worse one. Edit: Sat in a pub with 3 other people a few weeks after the result of Brexit, 2 I didn’t really know although I had seen them about. Turned out that all of us hadn’t voted in elections for many years, yet we all thought Brexit was important enough to vote on and we all had voted to leave. ---
**Author:** ![MB\_ThePhotographer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mb_thephotographer/32/373722_2.png) [@MB\_ThePhotographer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MB_ThePhotographer)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2020, 9:49pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-eve-being-purposely-sabotaged/238617/355 "2020-05-26T21:49:18Z")
> [@Scarlet\_Starfire](#): > > Still means you have the large corps/alliances influencing the direction of the game in their favour. While I don’t doubt that they want their agenda, just like you want yours or I want mine. It doesn’t bother me that they are mostly Goon’s. Goon’s are the most organized group and know the game probably better than CCP. Your best chance of getting someone who can do “some” good for the game will probably be out of that knowledge pool. We have our candidates, would you prefer it be a lottery at this point? I don’t. And if you bother to read the forums a lot, I found a great deal of useful info from at least “some” CSM members as to how the CSM works, their frustration’s with CCP and more than a few good laughs at CCP’s expense when they can finally say publicly, we told you so. If you don’t bother to vote, don’t bother to whine… ---
**Author:** ![Scarlet\_Starfire](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scarlet_starfire/32/244125_2.png) [@Scarlet\_Starfire](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scarlet_Starfire)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2020, 1:53am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-eve-being-purposely-sabotaged/238617/356 "2020-05-27T01:53:45Z")
> [@MB\_ThePhotographer](#): > > If you don’t bother to vote, don’t bother to whine… Are you a Goon by any chance or an alt of one? You’re still entitled to have a say even if you don’t vote. Once Brexit is finally complete including any if any trade deal. I’ll probably give up on tactical voting and go back to not voting. If they added a box on the ballot paper saying ‘none of the parties because they’re all crap’ then I’d happily vote for that. I mean some people say a non-vote is a wasted vote, but I’d say a non-vote is a vote of no confidence in any of the candidates as that option is not listed on a ballot paper. A spoilt paper doesn’t count as that doesn’t really say anything other than you can’t fill a form out. ---
**Author:** ![Runa\_Yamaguchi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/runa_yamaguchi/32/197532_2.png) [@Runa\_Yamaguchi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Runa_Yamaguchi)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2020, 2:01am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-eve-being-purposely-sabotaged/238617/357 "2020-05-27T02:01:21Z")
> [@Scarlet\_Starfire](#): > > a non-vote is a vote of no confidence in any of the candidates as that option is not listed on a ballot paper Which wont change anything. You’re basically just helping one side or the other…the side you most likely wouldn’t be voting for. ![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/7/b/7b2d1de0f18f98a4819c73a626c0dd78c7e780d1.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![Scarlet\_Starfire](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scarlet_starfire/32/244125_2.png) [@Scarlet\_Starfire](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scarlet_Starfire)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2020, 2:06am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-eve-being-purposely-sabotaged/238617/358 "2020-05-27T02:06:28Z")
> [@Runa\_Yamaguchi](#): > > Which wont change anything. You’re basically just helping one side or the other…the side you most likely wouldn’t be voting for. If all you have is bad options does it really matter which bad option wins, I think not. ---
**Author:** ![Runa\_Yamaguchi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/runa_yamaguchi/32/197532_2.png) [@Runa\_Yamaguchi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Runa_Yamaguchi)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2020, 2:24am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-eve-being-purposely-sabotaged/238617/359 "2020-05-27T02:24:20Z")
> [@Scarlet\_Starfire](#): > > If all you have is bad options does it really matter which bad option wins, I think not. I think it would be dishonest for anyone to say that they didn’t favor one side or the other in politics. Not claiming that you agree 90% or even 40% but rather that one cannot be truly indifferent. ---
**Author:** ![Scarlet\_Starfire](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scarlet_starfire/32/244125_2.png) [@Scarlet\_Starfire](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scarlet_Starfire)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2020, 2:32am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-eve-being-purposely-sabotaged/238617/360 "2020-05-27T02:32:10Z")
You can’t really favour one over the other if you think they’re all crap. Unless you have a specific reason like Brexit where you resort to tactical voting, not because you like the party you are voting for but think they’re the best bet to make it happen. ---
**Author:** ![Xeux](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xeux/32/428022_2.png) [@Xeux](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xeux)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2020, 2:40am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-eve-being-purposely-sabotaged/238617/361 "2020-05-27T02:40:03Z")
> [@Runa\_Yamaguchi](#): > > I think it would be dishonest for anyone to say that they didn’t favor one side or the other in politics. That is how I honestly feel - no preference whatsoever. It has been 20 years since I thought politics was anything but theatrics. ---
**Author:** ![MB\_ThePhotographer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mb_thephotographer/32/373722_2.png) [@MB\_ThePhotographer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MB_ThePhotographer)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2020, 2:43am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-eve-being-purposely-sabotaged/238617/362 "2020-05-27T02:43:12Z")
“This” toon is a Goon. I log it in once a mo just to keep up. It still gives me a bitter taste when I do. > [@Scarlet\_Starfire](#): > > I mean some people say a non-vote is a wasted vote, but I’d say a non-vote is a vote of no confidence in any of the candidates as that option is not listed on a ballot paper. A spoilt paper doesn’t count as that doesn’t really say anything other than you can’t fill a form out. Then you deserve to get what this game gives you. ---
**Author:** ![Scarlet\_Starfire](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scarlet_starfire/32/244125_2.png) [@Scarlet\_Starfire](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scarlet_Starfire)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2020, 2:49am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-eve-being-purposely-sabotaged/238617/363 "2020-05-27T02:49:49Z")
If you don’t think any of the candidates are likely to represent you, there is no reason to vote. Because the outcome of the voting still means you’re unlikely to be represented. That’s the problem with the CSM, they don’t represent the player base they mainly represent large corps/alliances. ---
**Author:** ![MB\_ThePhotographer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mb_thephotographer/32/373722_2.png) [@MB\_ThePhotographer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MB_ThePhotographer)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2020, 2:51am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-eve-being-purposely-sabotaged/238617/364 "2020-05-27T02:51:09Z")
Yawn… ---
**Author:** ![MB\_ThePhotographer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mb_thephotographer/32/373722_2.png) [@MB\_ThePhotographer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MB_ThePhotographer)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2020, 2:52am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-eve-being-purposely-sabotaged/238617/365 "2020-05-27T02:52:55Z")
Post less, read more, learn more… Thats how I learned the forums and the game… ---
**Author:** ![Scoots\_Choco](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scoots_choco/32/262262_2.png) [@Scoots\_Choco](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scoots_Choco)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2020, 3:11am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-eve-being-purposely-sabotaged/238617/366 "2020-05-27T03:11:13Z")
> [@Scarlet\_Starfire](#): > > That’s the problem with the CSM, they don’t represent the player base they mainly represent large corps/alliances. Today I learned that large corporations and alliances aren’t part of the playerbase. If you cared so much, why don’t you start a campaign and either run yourself or help someone who does represent your views run? ---
**Author:** ![MB\_ThePhotographer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mb_thephotographer/32/373722_2.png) [@MB\_ThePhotographer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MB_ThePhotographer)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2020, 3:27am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-eve-being-purposely-sabotaged/238617/367 "2020-05-27T03:27:44Z")
Asbestos bloomers help. 😄 ---
**Author:** ![Runa\_Yamaguchi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/runa_yamaguchi/32/197532_2.png) [@Runa\_Yamaguchi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Runa_Yamaguchi)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2020, 4:02am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-eve-being-purposely-sabotaged/238617/368 "2020-05-27T04:02:20Z")
@Xeux and @Scarlet_Starfire I mean I can’t but trust what you are saying but I still cannot comprehend it. Luckily Scarlet eluded to what I am suggesting though; the policies or specifically important issues. I think it’s safe to say that the high percentage of politicians are total d-bags and I totally do not support “them”. I do however support issues and what I support tends to fall into the center, left or “green” realm of politics depending on the issues. If I vote for somebody in the hopes they do what they will claim they will to do then great…if not then I’ve been misled again…but at least I put weight the side of the scale that is important to me. That action makes what I “want” mater that tiny bit more. For example, the Green Party in Canada has been mostly useless up to now, not really having a real impact in the seats of power…BUT their impact on policy has been tremendous as it’s shifted even the more anti-environmental policies closer to a green/social stance and away from a purely business outlook. Politics shouldn’t be seen as a win/lose dichotomy but rather a fine balancing of the scales… To bring it back to CCP/EVE, I’m just happy CCP gives us a tiny voice in all this…when nothing is the alternative, something is always better. …and I truly hope that in your lives you have somethings that you are willing to fight a little for even if that fight is just checking a box now and then. ---
**Author:** ![Foggy\_Bernstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/foggy_bernstein/32/407887_2.png) [@Foggy\_Bernstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Foggy_Bernstein)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2020, 5:20am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-eve-being-purposely-sabotaged/238617/369 "2020-05-27T05:20:43Z")
> [@Runa\_Yamaguchi](#): > > I mean I can’t but trust Oh…God! Ever since I noticed how people are starting sentences with “I mean”, I can’t not see it everywhere. It’s driving me batty! ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2020, 7:44am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-eve-being-purposely-sabotaged/238617/370 "2020-05-27T07:44:54Z")
Watch out for “Well” Especially in songs. Its just as prevailent. ---
**Author:** ![Scarlet\_Starfire](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scarlet_starfire/32/244125_2.png) [@Scarlet\_Starfire](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scarlet_Starfire)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2020, 8:54am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-eve-being-purposely-sabotaged/238617/371 "2020-05-27T08:54:49Z")
> [@Scoots\_Choco](#): > > > [@Scarlet\_Starfire](#): > > > > That’s the problem with the CSM, they don’t represent the player base they mainly represent large corps/alliances. > > Today I learned that large corporations and alliances aren’t part of the playerbase. I could have written ‘the player base as a whole’, but didn’t as I expected people to realise that. Seems I gave 1 person at least too much credit. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-eve-being-purposely-sabotaged/238617.md?page=17) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-eve-being-purposely-sabotaged/238617.md?page=19)