# Is EVE being purposely sabotaged? **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [May 5, 2020, 10:43pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-eve-being-purposely-sabotaged/238617 "2020-05-05T22:43:48Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 19
**Author:** ![lilsteel](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lilsteel/32/272085_2.png) [@lilsteel](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/lilsteel)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2020, 1:40am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-eve-being-purposely-sabotaged/238617/373 "2020-06-01T01:40:26Z")
> [@Gowa\_Hyasyoda](#): > > Anything that can happen, will happen. There are a wide variety of different types of people and personalities in this game and if there is anything any of them can possibly find a way to do or get away with you can be assured there will be someone who will try to do it. Crime can happen, and, unless it does, it is not crime, even if some convoluted courts try to commit crime against someone by indicting them, the government lawyer holding the judge liable if he does not clear the one wrongfully accused, so as to test the judge integrity, while trying to get away with prosecuting without liability, so as to gain practice against other the real criminal, which, if not prosecuted, would be a grave injustice, or, lead to war or civil war and so on, beside the fraud of the public funds and abuse of authority imparted to them. The judge would rather make an error, and hold the government lawyer liable, and , the defense lawyer refuses to report them for what they do, even though he should, but, he is not paid for that from the government legal aid, which legal aid are also liable for not including that in the defense, further leading to National Defense to intervene. Furthermore, the one wrongfully accused not only really has no use to associate with them, but, since the parties prosecuting him and being unfair to him and society want to obligate him to be associating with them, while he can’t is even more damaged from the collateral consequences of the legal failures or other acts of treason. - 1. Secondly , Sabotage imply damage done to industries related to war and production of military effective. It is essentially a military activity aimed at gaining a military advantage by sabotaging enemies systems. The damage caused to the financial infrastructure of a system can be an act of sabotage, such as an inventory program with integrated evaluation system usable for military logistics and biographic sketch from the army for $50,000. It is even more so an act of sabotage, when the parties causing the damage do so with military intent , with intentions to deny any rights of association with the protection from a military, or, credits from it, where credit it possible to be attributed due to service rendered to society, not because the credit is due, but, because the credit is credited as good, contrary to potentially evil acts of sabotage directed against the moral of the good action to help society, whether they seek to help others, try to discredit others to help others, and so on. In other words, they can’t see 1 millimetre in front of their nose. ---
**Author:** ![lilsteel](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lilsteel/32/272085_2.png) [@lilsteel](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/lilsteel)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2020, 2:33am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-eve-being-purposely-sabotaged/238617/375 "2020-06-02T02:33:41Z")
> [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](#): > > The word of Balos is akin to holy writ; despite his obvious ignorance of how stuff works he is the greatest intellect to ever grace the forums. if your holy writ are not based on evidence, it’s no wonder why they are lower case. - [![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/9/8/98f2a0030bd1e430e7c1b158e344067a23c31292.jpeg "Triglavian Invasion Turns Hisec into Lowsec - Raravoss Special Report") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bnpMNPxRnd4&t=146s) # Triglavian Invasion Turns Hisec into Lowsec - Raravoss Special Report 9,102 views • _May 31, 2020_ [Jin’taan](https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCcF6-wAlyiRLXW57_x9YwJQ) 12K subscribers ---
**Author:** ![Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jonah_gravenstein/32/386819_2.png) [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jonah_Gravenstein)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2020, 2:37pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-eve-being-purposely-sabotaged/238617/376 "2020-06-02T14:37:09Z")
I don’t know how you interpreted my post, but it wasn’t a compliment… ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2020, 2:38pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-eve-being-purposely-sabotaged/238617/377 "2020-06-02T14:38:46Z")
> [@lilsteel](#): > > if your holy writ are not based on evidence, it’s no wonder why they are lower case. This dont make no sense dawg. [![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/1/3/134890c50faadff22e3ebf3f99e6eaff374b408b.jpeg "Dalek - Explain!") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JYqjcHYTQgQ) ---
**Author:** ![Maximilian\_Wulffe](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/maximilian_wulffe/32/210326_2.png) [@Maximilian\_Wulffe](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Maximilian_Wulffe)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2020, 3:44pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-eve-being-purposely-sabotaged/238617/378 "2020-06-02T15:44:16Z")
Seems to me that this whole representation idea is just a charade as CSM has no actual influence or say in what happens, it doesn’t matter who or what they represent as long as they’re knowledgable on the game enough to tell CCP something is a terrible idea if when it’s a terrible idea. Unless someone can point me to an occurrence where a CSM member championed an idea or change and CCP actually acted on it. ---
**Author:** ![Runa\_Yamaguchi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/runa_yamaguchi/32/197532_2.png) [@Runa\_Yamaguchi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Runa_Yamaguchi)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2020, 5:34pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-eve-being-purposely-sabotaged/238617/379 "2020-06-02T17:34:58Z")
> [@Maximilian\_Wulffe](#): > > Unless someone can point me to an occurrence where a CSM member championed an idea or change and CCP actually acted on it. I believe the CSM pushed hard for the current Forsaken mechanics… ---
**Author:** ![Maximilian\_Wulffe](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/maximilian_wulffe/32/210326_2.png) [@Maximilian\_Wulffe](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Maximilian_Wulffe)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2020, 6:06pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-eve-being-purposely-sabotaged/238617/380 "2020-06-02T18:06:02Z")
Perhaps but then it’s still the CSM as a whole. My point is that “I stand for X, vote for me if you like X” is meaningless it seems. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2020, 6:06pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-eve-being-purposely-sabotaged/238617/381 "2020-06-02T18:06:52Z")
If my vote isnt worth bribing me for, its obviously not worth enough to vote vOv ---
**Author:** ![Runa\_Yamaguchi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/runa_yamaguchi/32/197532_2.png) [@Runa\_Yamaguchi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Runa_Yamaguchi)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2020, 6:33pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-eve-being-purposely-sabotaged/238617/382 "2020-06-02T18:33:52Z")
What do you expect? “I stand for X and CCP will 100% listen to me”? ---
**Author:** ![Maximilian\_Wulffe](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/maximilian_wulffe/32/210326_2.png) [@Maximilian\_Wulffe](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Maximilian_Wulffe)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2020, 6:37pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-eve-being-purposely-sabotaged/238617/383 "2020-06-02T18:37:56Z")
No not at all but at the same time it shows how meaningless voting is and how meaningless the CSM as a whole is. Don’t get me wrong, it’s GOOD for the groups a CSM member belongs to but not because of “influence” but rather insider dealing. ---
**Author:** ![Xeux](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xeux/32/428022_2.png) [@Xeux](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xeux)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2020, 6:43pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-eve-being-purposely-sabotaged/238617/384 "2020-06-02T18:43:36Z")
Yeah - so long as they don’t outright cheat - they get a huge advantage from just hearing what the developers are thinking about. ---
**Author:** ![Vals\_Loeder](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/vals_loeder/32/192416_2.png) [@Vals\_Loeder](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Vals_Loeder)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2020, 6:58pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-eve-being-purposely-sabotaged/238617/385 "2020-06-02T18:58:26Z")
But … but … but … they sign a NDA and promise not to use any of the info they receive! Are you suggesting CSM members might be corrupt, even ever so slightly? ---
**Author:** ![Xeux](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xeux/32/428022_2.png) [@Xeux](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xeux)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2020, 7:13pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-eve-being-purposely-sabotaged/238617/386 "2020-06-02T19:13:30Z")
I was on Brisc Rubral’s thread and said I was naturally suspicious of politicians. He told me that I was a childish bigot. The CSM is definitely a bunch of space-politicians. ---
**Author:** ![ISD\_Dorrim\_Barstorlode](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/isd_dorrim_barstorlode/32/361083_2.png) [@ISD\_Dorrim\_Barstorlode](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/ISD_Dorrim_Barstorlode)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2020, 12:41am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-eve-being-purposely-sabotaged/238617/394 "2020-06-03T00:41:27Z")
Removed some off topic posts. Don’t do it again. First warning. ---
**Author:** ![lilsteel](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lilsteel/32/272085_2.png) [@lilsteel](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/lilsteel)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2020, 12:59am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-eve-being-purposely-sabotaged/238617/395 "2020-06-03T00:59:09Z")
I save it. In fact, we had to code the algorithm to save the file on electronic medium. It’s also in courts since I have to enforce it due to sabotage. ---
**Author:** ![Vals\_Loeder](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/vals_loeder/32/192416_2.png) [@Vals\_Loeder](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Vals_Loeder)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2020, 6:44am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-eve-being-purposely-sabotaged/238617/396 "2020-06-03T06:44:56Z")
> [@Xeux](#): > > bigot I am not sure he understands what the words means. He likes to use it a lot and used it more then once to brandish people who have a heallthy dislike of politicians. I guess it’s his equivalent of other people’s use of troll or racist. ---
**Author:** ![Wadiest\_Yong](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wadiest_yong/32/426921_2.png) [@Wadiest\_Yong](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Wadiest_Yong)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2020, 9:00am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-eve-being-purposely-sabotaged/238617/397 "2020-06-03T09:00:23Z")
If a healthy amount of skepticism and careful consideration (which is what I think @Xeux uses) is enough of a “threat” to be coined a bigot, then we should all be bigots in that reference frame. Yep, wrong word, at the very least. ---
**Author:** ![Runa\_Yamaguchi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/runa_yamaguchi/32/197532_2.png) [@Runa\_Yamaguchi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Runa_Yamaguchi)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2020, 9:03am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-eve-being-purposely-sabotaged/238617/398 "2020-06-03T09:03:35Z")
Being a bigot is a bit different than just skepticism as they tend to be on the extreme end of the spectrum and fully without consideration. Maybe biased is a better word? ---
**Author:** ![Wadiest\_Yong](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wadiest_yong/32/426921_2.png) [@Wadiest\_Yong](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Wadiest_Yong)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2020, 9:09am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-eve-being-purposely-sabotaged/238617/399 "2020-06-03T09:09:31Z")
Whatever the better word is, the person who called the other person a bigot clearly fell out of his role as candidate on campaign. I appreciate Brisk’s love for EvE and admire the effort he puts into creating content for it, but that doesn’t make him immune to the occasional bad (but perhaps honest?) move. Whichever aspect of the candidate one considers the most important will determine the vote, i guess. ---
**Author:** ![Vals\_Loeder](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/vals_loeder/32/192416_2.png) [@Vals\_Loeder](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Vals_Loeder)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2020, 10:10am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-eve-being-purposely-sabotaged/238617/400 "2020-06-03T10:10:48Z")
> [@Wadiest\_Yong](#): > > the person who called the other person a bigot clearly fell out of his role as candidate on campaign. Exactly. Deep inside he is just an asshole, which he tries to hide but sometimes pops up anyways. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-eve-being-purposely-sabotaged/238617.md?page=18) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-eve-being-purposely-sabotaged/238617.md?page=20)