# Is Eve Dying/Dead? **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [July 5, 2021, 5:15pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-eve-dying-dead/318897 "2021-07-05T17:15:26Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 10
**Author:** ![Jinx\_Jita](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jinx_jita/32/290178_2.png) [@Jinx\_Jita](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jinx_Jita)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2021, 11:19pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-eve-dying-dead/318897/200 "2021-10-18T23:19:58Z")
noooo… ---
**Author:** ![May\_Q\_Cry](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/may_q_cry/32/370362_2.png) [@May\_Q\_Cry](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/May_Q_Cry)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2021, 11:38pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-eve-dying-dead/318897/201 "2021-10-18T23:38:18Z")
They didn’t even get 425 million, they only got half of it because they failed to meet the goals set by Pearl Abyss for the full payment. 🤣 ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2021, 12:23am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-eve-dying-dead/318897/202 "2021-10-19T00:23:59Z")
Lol, imagine only getting half of 425 million dollars - LOL, hahahahaha, I’d rather be a loser in a forum who got nothing, instead of having just a couple hundred million. ---
**Author:** ![May\_Q\_Cry](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/may_q_cry/32/370362_2.png) [@May\_Q\_Cry](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/May_Q_Cry)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2021, 1:23am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-eve-dying-dead/318897/203 "2021-10-19T01:23:23Z")
That is true, but I also have never lost 217 million dollars due to bad job performance. 😆 ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2021, 8:23am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-eve-dying-dead/318897/204 "2021-10-19T08:23:33Z")
You cant lose something you never had. Thats the myth told by people who set undeliverable Targets. ---
**Author:** ![Zoiie](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zoiie/32/292363_2.png) [@Zoiie](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zoiie)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2021, 8:26am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-eve-dying-dead/318897/205 "2021-10-19T08:26:33Z")
![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/f/5/8/f58d939e5c6f3651cecc33425ccce6e4ef128f95.jpeg) ![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/0/2/3/0231beaf86d736a01aed83222e26ac600e443e24.png) ---
**Author:** ![Jumpdrive](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jumpdrive/32/285032_2.png) [@Jumpdrive](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jumpdrive)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2021, 9:36am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-eve-dying-dead/318897/206 "2021-10-19T09:36:17Z")
That was a good thing for the game though. I get the impression that some players see the payment as some kind of direct investment into EVE, but it’s just money that went to the previous owners. It’s money that won’t ever go into development or maintenance. It would still have been totally fine from a strict player POV, if hypothetically, PA got CCP for free, or even better, if they rather got paid to take charge and keep EVE afloat. In any case, those failed performance goals are not our problem. ---
**Author:** ![Zoiie](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zoiie/32/292363_2.png) [@Zoiie](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zoiie)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2021, 9:37am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-eve-dying-dead/318897/207 "2021-10-19T09:37:29Z")
> [@Jumpdrive](#): > > It’s money that won’t ever go into development or maintenance. Mac native client, web client, … soon Linux native client… Looks like they’re investing to me. However, at the rate the player count chart is going down… they may be discovering oil… or dinosours. ---
**Author:** ![Twijn\_Sunz](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/twijn_sunz/32/289865_2.png) [@Twijn\_Sunz](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Twijn_Sunz)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2021, 9:38am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-eve-dying-dead/318897/208 "2021-10-19T09:38:09Z")
> [@Krimmins](#): > > Is Eve a dying/dead game? What are your opinions? Yep, EVE is totally dead and buried… wonder why the forum is still going. ---
**Author:** ![Nico\_Christened](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nico_christened/32/439994_2.png) [@Nico\_Christened](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nico_Christened)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2021, 1:09pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-eve-dying-dead/318897/209 "2021-10-19T13:09:17Z")
> [@Lara\_Agnon](#): > > It’s the addition of non-sandbox thingies. That will lead to separate playerbases with no interaction. So at least one of them will probably leave. And that is most probably the one veterans are in. Those who created the sandbox model aren’t the one’s making the decisions or calling the shots anymore. It’s possible no one even knows what “sandbox” means in the CCP corporate offices anymore. ---
**Author:** ![Inxentas\_Ultramar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/inxentas_ultramar/32/385922_2.png) [@Inxentas\_Ultramar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Inxentas_Ultramar)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2021, 2:44pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-eve-dying-dead/318897/210 "2021-10-22T14:44:37Z")
There was a time when I too would debate whether EVE is dead or not. But I’ve not played for months now, years if you dismiss that little romp I had in a nullsec corp this year. My _interest_ in EVE is dead. And I’ve come to realize the game is as dead as I imagine it to be. What you guys consider a “game” I consider an Asian MMO skinner box by now. So to me it is in a state of undeath while to others it might feel quite alive. ---
**Author:** ![Kellie\_McCalamitie](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kellie_mccalamitie/32/285447_2.png) [@Kellie\_McCalamitie](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kellie_McCalamitie)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2021, 3:08pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-eve-dying-dead/318897/211 "2021-10-22T15:08:52Z")
> [@May\_Q\_Cry](#): > > They didn’t even get 425 million, they only got half of it because they failed to meet the goals set by Pearl Abyss for the full payment Losers 😂 ---
**Author:** ![Cypherous](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cypherous/32/499883_2.png) [@Cypherous](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Cypherous)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2021, 1:58am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-eve-dying-dead/318897/213 "2021-10-23T01:58:15Z")
> [@Zoiie](#): > > soon Linux native client… Source? ---
**Author:** ![Cypherous](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cypherous/32/499883_2.png) [@Cypherous](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Cypherous)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2021, 1:59am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-eve-dying-dead/318897/214 "2021-10-23T01:59:38Z")
> [@xavier69](#): > > We shall see when that 425 million they got from pearl abyss runs out.. I mean, CCP isn’t reliant on that money to begin with and its paid for buying the company and not tied to paying wages, which the company already does, it wasn’t money going back in to the company ---
**Author:** ![Gix\_Firebrand](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gix_firebrand/32/456949_2.png) [@Gix\_Firebrand](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gix_Firebrand)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2021, 2:36am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-eve-dying-dead/318897/215 "2021-10-23T02:36:24Z")
> [@Kellie\_McCalamitie](#): > > Losers 😂 Yet you’re still haunting their forums. Its almost like, you’re one by association huh? ---
**Author:** ![Kezrai\_Charzai](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kezrai_charzai/32/394578_2.png) [@Kezrai\_Charzai](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kezrai_Charzai)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2021, 8:25pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-eve-dying-dead/318897/222 "2021-10-24T20:25:55Z")
> [@Emiko\_P\_eng](#): > > While EVE is definitely not in its Hayday, it is still making approx. $1.2M USD per month for CCP. > > [Massively Overpowered - EVE Online players speculate at least 110K players are subscribed based on the August economic report](https://massivelyop.com/2021/09/20/eve-online-players-speculate-at-least-110k-players-are-subscribed-based-on-the-august-economic-report/) > > Allowing for the assumptions, it is not a bad estimate of the number of Omega Players based on the Cash Injection. That set of numbers should be put into proper context. These are not “reliable monthly sub” numbers. It was a pretty significant ISK giveaway, along with other rewards, run at a time when a 30-day sub would also allow an account to vote in the annual CSM elections. I know of at least a couple dozen alts that were subbed for one month only to catch the ISK/vote combo (2 of them were mine). This means that at a probable “peak” sub-count number, CCP is making a little over a million dollars a month from subs. Given the financial issues that CCP has experienced in the past, I would consider that “emergency action” range of financing. A quick look at PCU numbers shows that EVE is at it’s lowest login levels ever, even lower than the panic-level numbers they hit in 2016, causing them to open the doors to F2P, or the Blackout disaster of 2019. ![EVE_Offline_21-10-24](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/b/f/e/bfede97d348c3e7134bc084abc947ec493ade8c1.png) With any luck this is a combo of reduced Covid restrictions giving people more options in their leisure time, plus war-end exhaustion, and players checking out recent game releases (New World, WoW etc.). It could also mean that increasing numbers of players are simply not on-board with EVE’s direction over the past few years and are voting with their feet. ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2021, 9:16pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-eve-dying-dead/318897/223 "2021-10-24T21:16:17Z")
> [@Kezrai\_Charzai](#): > > lowest login levels ever Player count isn’t important. So what, the bots and losers are leaving? Good riddance. ---
**Author:** ![Mr\_Epeen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mr_epeen/32/373308_2.png) [@Mr\_Epeen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mr_Epeen)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2021, 9:25pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-eve-dying-dead/318897/224 "2021-10-24T21:25:14Z")
> [@Aiko\_Danuja](#): > > So what, the bots and losers are leaving? Good riddance. As someone with no stake in the game’s continued existence, that’s pretty easy to say. But think of it from PA’s perspective. They have a multi hundred million dollar investment to make up. If that comes from botters and losers rather than a bunch of sociopaths who have scammed other players to the point they’ll never need to put a cent into playing for the next hundred years, then so be it. Helloo bots. Buh bye CODE. Mr Epeen 🕶 ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2021, 9:26pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-eve-dying-dead/318897/225 "2021-10-24T21:26:46Z")
You are operating under the fallacious assumption that player count is directly related to profitability. Why don’t you let the developers worry about development? You don’t really need to voice your opinion, it’s not like they are listening to you. 👸 ---
**Author:** ![Aaaarrgg](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aaaarrgg/32/395089_2.png) [@Aaaarrgg](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aaaarrgg)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2021, 9:31pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-eve-dying-dead/318897/226 "2021-10-24T21:31:45Z")
i have seen it proposed elsewhere PA didnt buy ccp for eve they bought it for an entry into chinas gaming market, eve is just an afterthought. i wonder how that is going with the recent crackdowns there on gaming . and 200 mill lol …peanuts 🙂 [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-eve-dying-dead/318897.md?page=9) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-eve-dying-dead/318897.md?page=11)