# Is Eve Dying/Dead? **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [July 5, 2021, 5:15pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-eve-dying-dead/318897 "2021-07-05T17:15:26Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![Rroff](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/rroff/32/509119_2.png) [@Rroff](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Rroff)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2021, 9:56pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-eve-dying-dead/318897/138 "2021-09-22T21:56:40Z")
> [@Obed\_Marshh](#): > > For me it was when stealth bombers lost cruise missiles. > In the more general sense, they make changes to the game far too often in my opinion. Sure it required officer RCUs but back in the day you could fit cruise missiles to a Tengu and make a hilariously overpriced replica of a Manticore out of it. I think at some point they straight up prevented you doing it though even if you could manage to make the fitting work. ---
**Author:** ![Obed\_Marshh](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/obed_marshh/32/459118_2.png) [@Obed\_Marshh](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Obed_Marshh)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2021, 10:05pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-eve-dying-dead/318897/139 "2021-09-22T22:05:16Z")
> [@Rroff](#): > > Sure it required officer RCUs but back in the day you could fit cruise missiles to a Tengu and make a hilariously overpriced replica of a Manticore out of it. I made this character specificity to pilot a Hound. I think it took me about 2.5 months to be able to fly one. I used it to tour losec and null, and for running lvl3s. After the change, I found out about Drakes. From then on, it was Caldari all the way for me. I keep this character just for the forums. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2021, 7:41am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-eve-dying-dead/318897/140 "2021-09-23T07:41:31Z")
> [@Rroff](#): > > I’m just a foolish care bear I knew it ---
**Author:** ![Phelan\_Kheldian](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/phelan_kheldian/32/450826_2.png) [@Phelan\_Kheldian](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Phelan_Kheldian)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2021, 8:17am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-eve-dying-dead/318897/141 "2021-09-23T08:17:40Z")
Considering that you are technically dying from the moment you are born… yes, Eve is dying. ---
**Author:** ![Pinuta\_Naari](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/pinuta_naari/32/289316_2.png) [@Pinuta\_Naari](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Pinuta_Naari)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2021, 11:01am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-eve-dying-dead/318897/142 "2021-09-23T11:01:24Z")
Eve Online died in 2003. RIP ---
**Author:** ![Colette\_d\_Arenberg](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/colette_d_arenberg/32/289882_2.png) [@Colette\_d\_Arenberg](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Colette_d_Arenberg)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2021, 4:53pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-eve-dying-dead/318897/143 "2021-09-24T16:53:07Z")
Ever since I started playing CCP has been making changes and we’ve been trying to find ways to play around them. That has always been part of the EVE Meta. ---
**Author:** ![Jenny\_Hong](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jenny_hong/32/411360_2.png) [@Jenny\_Hong](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jenny_Hong)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2021, 5:03pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-eve-dying-dead/318897/144 "2021-09-24T17:03:50Z")
The biggest example of this for me personally was the Stealth Bomber nerf, when they took away our CM and made us use Torpedoes only. It turned the Stealth Bomber from an all-around tool to a highly specialized ship that was only useful against a narrow range of targets. And yeah, I know that was a loooong time ago, but it still rankles, and you asked. ---
**Author:** ![Rroff](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/rroff/32/509119_2.png) [@Rroff](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Rroff)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2021, 3:53am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-eve-dying-dead/318897/145 "2021-09-25T03:53:09Z")
> [@Colette\_d\_Arenberg](#): > > Ever since I started playing CCP has been making changes and we’ve been trying to find ways to play around them. > > That has always been part of the EVE Meta. The bulk of the time I was most active ~2009-2014 a lot of the established parts of the game were fairly static - sure ships got a bit of tweaking, etc. but rarely was stuff fundamentally changed - it was only towards the end of that period there started to be a constant churn of established mechanics and that just got old fast especially with ~13 characters or whatever it was I ended up with by the time I quit. I think part of the problem was/is the devs not really being invested in the active game when it comes to some of the changes so they have little impetus to cater a bit wider with changes - often it would have been perfectly possible to achieve what they were going for while not upsetting players who were more invested into that area of the game but any feedback to that end was pretty much ignored. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2021, 8:07am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-eve-dying-dead/318897/146 "2021-09-25T08:07:40Z")
> [@Jenny\_Hong](#): > > an all-around tool Er ok. Lol ---
**Author:** ![Hazen\_Koraka](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/hazen_koraka/32/395218_2.png) [@Hazen\_Koraka](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Hazen_Koraka)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2021, 11:32am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-eve-dying-dead/318897/147 "2021-09-25T11:32:48Z")
Posting in an “EVE is Dying” meme thread. Please close. ---
**Author:** ![bluelysian](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/bluelysian/32/423769_2.png) [@bluelysian](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/bluelysian)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2021, 5:15pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-eve-dying-dead/318897/148 "2021-09-25T17:15:17Z")
Quoted from July 2020 dated post : Eve is Dead not Dead eve is a Schrödinger’s cat.Doesn’t matter what we say. > [@Proving of Kybernauts for Glorification in the Flow Unfolds](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proving-of-kybernauts-for-glorification-in-the-flow-unfolds/252073/353): > > Well well… another veteran… I am coming from old mutual war tradition … game and meta is still there… But what happened to this game is not only on CCP but its also on community… Im working on project last 1,5 years to bring this concept back to New Eden its all forgotton set aside … pilots from last 3-4 years has zero idea what is it about. Everything they introduced tho this game bits and pieces chased away old friends that i fly together … Now im all alone … Eve is Dead not Dead eve is a … ---
**Author:** ![Herzog\_Wolfhammer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/herzog_wolfhammer/32/452132_2.png) [@Herzog\_Wolfhammer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Herzog_Wolfhammer)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2021, 1:32am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-eve-dying-dead/318897/149 "2021-09-26T01:32:30Z")
Eve’s golden age was when players had a more choices regarding solo and group play. There were also far less arbitrary mechanics in effect that seemed, well, arbitrary. The game was also more difficult. They pretty much ignored what they did to ruin exploration and did it to the rest of the game. Looks nice though. There will always be diehards playing. They were still playing DAoC in 2018. And if the operation scales back, they can keep it running. So death is not a metric worth looking at. Might be more of an afterthought. It’s already a Youtube ad that keeps popping up when you want to watch something and you have to click the “skip” button. Kind of sad. ---
**Author:** ![Lara\_Agnon](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lara_agnon/32/377122_2.png) [@Lara\_Agnon](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lara_Agnon)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2021, 6:44pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-eve-dying-dead/318897/150 "2021-09-26T18:44:00Z")
> [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > Anything that puts people off Roquals was a good change and doesnt count. No, as those people stop playing as they worked hard to get such a ship and now it’s worthless ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2021, 7:00pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-eve-dying-dead/318897/151 "2021-09-26T19:00:44Z")
> [@Lara\_Agnon](#): > > worked hard Hahaha No > [@Lara\_Agnon](#): > > it’s worthless Also no. Any chance you could construct a response that doesnt rely on hyperbole? ---
**Author:** ![Relentless\_Banality](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/relentless_banality/32/286390_2.png) [@Relentless\_Banality](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Relentless_Banality)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2021, 7:04pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-eve-dying-dead/318897/152 "2021-09-26T19:04:14Z")
Yes, since 2003. ---
**Author:** ![Pehatpsegk](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/pehatpsegk/32/288619_2.png) [@Pehatpsegk](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Pehatpsegk)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2021, 7:22pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-eve-dying-dead/318897/153 "2021-09-26T19:22:42Z")
Looks like it’s 37 for you! \o/ [![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/c/d/3/cd3ec384321b687de45bc7d0c6d2fdb9e861a8a3.gif) ](https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https://comb.io/LxbJyb.gif&f=1&nofb=1) ---
**Author:** ![Kellie\_McCalamitie](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kellie_mccalamitie/32/285447_2.png) [@Kellie\_McCalamitie](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kellie_McCalamitie)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2021, 7:33pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-eve-dying-dead/318897/154 "2021-09-26T19:33:01Z")
> [@Krimmins](#): > > Is Eve a dying/dead game? What are your opinions? It’s dying but like the rest of us, we don’t notice, we just call it a ‘birthday’, one year closer to death. ---
**Author:** ![Emiko\_P\_eng](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/emiko_p_eng/32/243920_2.png) [@Emiko\_P\_eng](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Emiko_P_eng)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2021, 11:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-eve-dying-dead/318897/155 "2021-09-26T23:50:42Z")
Hehe! While EVE is definitely not in its Hayday, it is still making approx. $1.2M USD per month for CCP. [Massively Overpowered - EVE Online players speculate at least 110K players are subscribed based on the August economic report](https://massivelyop.com/2021/09/20/eve-online-players-speculate-at-least-110k-players-are-subscribed-based-on-the-august-economic-report/) Allowing for the assumptions, it is not a bad estimate of the number of Omega Players based on the Cash Injection. So I wonder, just how many Alpha Players do we need to add to that to get the total number of player? 😀 ---
**Author:** ![bluelysian](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/bluelysian/32/423769_2.png) [@bluelysian](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/bluelysian)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2021, 5:55pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-eve-dying-dead/318897/157 "2021-09-27T17:55:11Z")
Wake me up when we come there please … ---
**Author:** ![Jinx\_Jita](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jinx_jita/32/290178_2.png) [@Jinx\_Jita](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jinx_Jita)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2021, 11:41pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-eve-dying-dead/318897/159 "2021-09-28T23:41:42Z")
1.2m really isn’t a lot to run a game on tbh… i’m kinda worried [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-eve-dying-dead/318897.md?page=6) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-eve-dying-dead/318897.md?page=8)