# Is Eve dying? **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [October 20, 2022, 6:27pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-eve-dying/381199 "2022-10-20T18:27:57Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![tutucox\_Khamsi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tutucox_khamsi/32/430743_2.png) [@tutucox\_Khamsi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/tutucox_Khamsi)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2022, 8:21pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-eve-dying/381199/22 "2022-10-20T20:21:58Z")
> [@Jayce\_Fitzpatrick](#): > > And the sky is blue roses are red violets are blue your hair is fabulous and so are you šŸ˜— ---
**Author:** ![Jayce\_Fitzpatrick](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jayce_fitzpatrick/32/383289_2.png) [@Jayce\_Fitzpatrick](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jayce_Fitzpatrick)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2022, 8:22pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-eve-dying/381199/23 "2022-10-20T20:22:32Z")
ā¤ šŸ˜— ā¤ ---
**Author:** ![Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/uriel_the_flame/32/490165_2.png) [@Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Uriel_the_Flame)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2022, 8:45pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-eve-dying/381199/24 "2022-10-20T20:45:54Z")
![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/d/8/b/d8bee00e3358b0590c6dc828eb6140402723f6ae.png) ---
**Author:** ![Lana\_Thomas](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lana_thomas/32/295368_2.png) [@Lana\_Thomas](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lana_Thomas)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2022, 8:52pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-eve-dying/381199/25 "2022-10-20T20:52:00Z")
[https://eve-offline.net/?server=tranquility](https://eve-offline.net/?server=tranquility) ---
**Author:** ![Lana\_Thomas](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lana_thomas/32/295368_2.png) [@Lana\_Thomas](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lana_Thomas)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2022, 8:52pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-eve-dying/381199/26 "2022-10-20T20:52:47Z")
> [@Kitaula\_Kuusa\_Jouhinen](#): > > people here are trash Speak about yourself! ---
**Author:** ![Gerard\_Amatin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gerard_amatin/32/481361_2.png) [@Gerard\_Amatin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gerard_Amatin)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2022, 8:57pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-eve-dying/381199/27 "2022-10-20T20:57:35Z")
> [@Gallentia\_Libertas](#): > > The forum isnā€™t much better. Iā€™m not free to say more than that. > [@Zieae](#): > > Donā€™t feel bad. None of us are **FREE**. > But we will be. > Iā€™m not free to say more than _that_. Oh is that guy who makes three new forum alts every now and then to agree with himself back again? ---
**Author:** ![Gallentia\_Libertas](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gallentia_libertas/32/338542_2.png) [@Gallentia\_Libertas](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gallentia_Libertas)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2022, 8:59pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-eve-dying/381199/28 "2022-10-20T20:59:39Z")
> [@Kitaula\_Kuusa\_Jouhinen](#): > > The forum and a lot of people here are trash but hey itā€™s better than reddit I agree! ---
**Author:** ![Zieae](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zieae/32/338701_2.png) [@Zieae](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zieae)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2022, 9:01pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-eve-dying/381199/29 "2022-10-20T21:01:07Z")
> [@Gerard\_Amatin](#): > > Oh is that guy who makes three new forum alts every now and then to agree with himself back again? You should know, Iā€™ve decided to be your alt. Congratulations. ---
**Author:** ![Gerard\_Amatin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gerard_amatin/32/481361_2.png) [@Gerard\_Amatin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gerard_Amatin)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2022, 9:03pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-eve-dying/381199/30 "2022-10-20T21:03:00Z")
Sorry, I have no idea who you are, I just recognise a recurring pattern. ---
**Author:** ![Malak\_Starfire](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/malak_starfire/32/501915_2.png) [@Malak\_Starfire](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Malak_Starfire)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2022, 9:06pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-eve-dying/381199/31 "2022-10-20T21:06:18Z")
Real life couldnā€™t possibly be the reason why numbers have have down either, just couldnā€™t be. Itā€™s not like people are going back to work in an office after a world wide pandemic. Itā€™s not like one of the gameā€™s larger national groups is suffering from international sanctions, being drafted, or what not. BTW ALL games that are popular in Russia have been suffering. ---
**Author:** ![Zieae](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zieae/32/338701_2.png) [@Zieae](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zieae)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2022, 9:07pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-eve-dying/381199/32 "2022-10-20T21:07:45Z")
> [@Gerard\_Amatin](#): > > Sorry, I have no idea who you are Sure. They all say that. ---
**Author:** ![Jinyo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jinyo/32/472226_2.png) [@Jinyo](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jinyo)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2022, 9:09pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-eve-dying/381199/33 "2022-10-20T21:09:51Z")
OP: Is EvE dying? Jinyo: Yes, yes, it is. Might as well enjoy the beautiful universe while the servers are active. The CCP are pretty determined to finish the game off and move on to the next project - and who can blame them. EvE has had good innings. My question to the CCP, why not for the time that remains, restore the game mechanics to a time when EvE was fun. If not for the Player Base then do it for nostalgia! ---
**Author:** ![Kezrai\_Charzai](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kezrai_charzai/32/394578_2.png) [@Kezrai\_Charzai](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kezrai_Charzai)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2022, 9:16pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-eve-dying/381199/34 "2022-10-20T21:16:07Z")
As is entirely too common in the forums the past couple years, youā€™re going to get a few dozen posters repeating their favorite opinions and offering little in the way of substance. (After 100 posts or so theyā€™ll just start arguing among themselves about some thread derail.) Itā€™s great that youā€™re interested in EVE, and as with any new game, there is a ton of stuff to explore and learn. Keep in mind that a lot of the doom and gloom you hear is either from long-term players disappointed that CCP hasnā€™t met their expectations for EVE, or very short-term players who most likely had incorrect expectations about what EVE was. As you state, the game is almost 2 decades old, well past itā€™s peak and currently on an almost decade-long decline. This is normal for older MMOs and even the MMO market in general. As you pointed out, the market is shifting towards faster-moving games that donā€™t require the time and knowledge investment of EVE. That said, CCP has indeed spent the last few years apparently deliberately trying to crater the player numbers. The list of recent moves that have cost EVE tens of thousands of active players (and payers) is astonishing. Thereā€™s a lot of speculation about how a company could so actively harm their only cash-producing asset - youā€™ll need to decide for yourself where the possibilities for future development lie. As a starter point, you may want to check the top comment on this Reddit post: > **[r/Eve - What is happening to EVE?](https://www.reddit.com/r/Eve/comments/xzhatf/comment/irm85q2/)** > > 590 votes and 465 comments so far on Reddit While I disagree with some of the points in specifics, it certainly captures the essence of the last few years of CCPā€™s development process. ---
**Author:** ![Jinyo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jinyo/32/472226_2.png) [@Jinyo](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jinyo)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2022, 9:25pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-eve-dying/381199/35 "2022-10-20T21:25:32Z")
I like the part that read: _That glue-eating Pilot just said, over the intercom ā€œWell we might be falling but weā€™re still in the air lol, donā€™t worry about it.ā€ and continues eating glue._ ---
**Author:** ![Tzashrah\_Praankar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tzashrah_praankar/32/354043_2.png) [@Tzashrah\_Praankar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Tzashrah_Praankar)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2022, 9:32pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-eve-dying/381199/36 "2022-10-20T21:32:25Z")
Is it dying? Yes, but if youā€™re enjoying it, play it. > [@Kitaula\_Kuusa\_Jouhinen](#): > > The forum and a lot of people here are trash but hey itā€™s better than reddit. lolā€¦wellā€¦youā€™re not wrongā€¦ ![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/0/f/0f97b62bbd7a55a49f6851ef68ef10205b4603a6.gif) ---
**Author:** ![Gix\_Firebrand](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gix_firebrand/32/456949_2.png) [@Gix\_Firebrand](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gix_Firebrand)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2022, 9:36pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-eve-dying/381199/37 "2022-10-20T21:36:49Z")
> [@Gerard\_Amatin](#): > > Oh is that guy who makes three new forum alts every now and then to agree with himself back again? I have noticed a flood of alts recently LOL. ---
**Author:** ![Jinyo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jinyo/32/472226_2.png) [@Jinyo](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jinyo)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2022, 9:37pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-eve-dying/381199/38 "2022-10-20T21:37:12Z")
> [@Kezrai\_Charzai](#): > > That said, CCP has indeed spent the last few years apparently deliberately trying to crater the player numbers. The list of recent moves that have cost EVE tens of thousands of active players (and payers) is astonishing. Thereā€™s a lot of speculation about how a company could so actively harm their only cash-producing asset - youā€™ll need to decide for yourself where the possibilities for future development lie. Iā€™ve been on and off EvE over the last 16 years and share much of the sentiments in that Reddit post. I can honestly say this is the first time Iā€™ve witnessed a substantial decline in the active player population. I really do wish for the best of health for the game because it still stands alone in terms of expansiveness, content and the player base (albeit dwindling). The CCP should provide clarity with regards to long term vision or short term should cratering player numbers be the ultimate goal. It isnā€™t fair on the subscribers (paid or otherwise). ---
**Author:** ![Zieae](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zieae/32/338701_2.png) [@Zieae](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zieae)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2022, 10:07pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-eve-dying/381199/39 "2022-10-20T22:07:36Z")
> [@Amhir\_Indenor](#): > > I found that the game has already passed its peak and is declining A lot of players think so. I myself do not know for sure whatā€™s true or whatā€™s fugged, even the graphs donā€™t say much except thereā€™s been a reduction of characters. A lot of that could be alts that have become too expensive to maintain at Omega and could now be useless as Alpha alts due to various reasons. The old numbers I see on the charts could be halved or at least -30% because of bots and alts so when they say the game was healthy, it couldā€™ve only _looked_ that way and the reality was something other then. Regardless. Itā€™s a cool game to log on to and do some pew-pew for a few. Better than World of Warships or any other Chinese-produced trash they try to sell on Steam. So it may be going down, whatā€™s the big deal for me? I just hope it dies a _long_ _slow_ death? I know how that sounds but it would be nice to have EVE to log into for the next decadeā€¦ if WWIII hasnā€™t started before then. ---
**Author:** ![Xeux](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xeux/32/428022_2.png) [@Xeux](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xeux)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2022, 10:54pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-eve-dying/381199/40 "2022-10-20T22:54:20Z")
> [@Amhir\_Indenor](#): > > Tell me, is there any hope that Eve is waiting for a major update that will give new life to the game, or the release of a new game with the same principles from the same developers for new realities? No, there is no chance of either of these happening. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2022, 10:58pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-eve-dying/381199/41 "2022-10-20T22:58:11Z")
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