# Is Eve Online too toxic? **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [October 3, 2023, 8:08pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-eve-online-too-toxic/422709 "2023-10-03T20:08:27Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 19
**Author:** ![Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/iceacid_frostpacker/32/505689_2.png) [@Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Iceacid_Frostpacker)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2024, 7:32am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-eve-online-too-toxic/422709/375 "2024-01-13T07:32:58Z")
> [@Zaera\_Keena](#): > > New Order Enforcer That Agent is just a stepping stone role to a brighter/safer New Eden. ---
**Author:** ![Rtsu](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/rtsu/32/382977_2.png) [@Rtsu](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Rtsu)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2024, 8:46am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-eve-online-too-toxic/422709/376 "2024-01-13T08:46:09Z")
It depends on your definition of toxic ---
**Author:** ![MB\_ThePhotographer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mb_thephotographer/32/373722_2.png) [@MB\_ThePhotographer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MB_ThePhotographer)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2024, 1:26am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-eve-online-too-toxic/422709/377 "2024-02-18T01:26:35Z")
Seems eve was more popular when it was more toxic. The numbers tell the story. ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2024, 3:25am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-eve-online-too-toxic/422709/378 "2024-02-18T03:25:01Z")
I want my NC-17 rated EvE content. ---
**Author:** ![MB\_ThePhotographer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mb_thephotographer/32/373722_2.png) [@MB\_ThePhotographer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MB_ThePhotographer)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2024, 3:27am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-eve-online-too-toxic/422709/379 "2024-02-18T03:27:28Z")
Always my Princess from afar! šŸ¤© šŸ˜ Edit; Or a least out of range! ---
**Author:** ![MB\_ThePhotographer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mb_thephotographer/32/373722_2.png) [@MB\_ThePhotographer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MB_ThePhotographer)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2024, 4:07am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-eve-online-too-toxic/422709/380 "2024-02-18T04:07:39Z")
Thanks Aiko as it got me thinking. Eve to me is one of the least toxic games Iā€™ve run across if you follow one simple rule. Ask for help. The game is so hard to learn that asking for help is not a weakness to more experienced players but an admission that you want to learn. Why did you kill me? (I know) What can I do to improve or what did I do wrong? I always tried to explain to my post wd kills why I did it and pay for at least their loss so as to try and teach. Those that learned got double. Those questions can lead to a very good corp recruiting you for being willing to learn. That part might be iffy these days. EVE is not toxic at all if you actually **play** the game. Itā€™s more of a band of brothers and sisters who understand the game and enjoy the counter play. EVE trying to go mainstream with a nitch game to me was a mistake. I would have paid the new price for how hard the game was and with the 50/60k numbers we had. Mehā€¦ ---
**Author:** ![RGC\_Godfather](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/rgc_godfather/32/433733_2.png) [@RGC\_Godfather](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/RGC_Godfather)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2024, 4:23am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-eve-online-too-toxic/422709/381 "2024-02-18T04:23:16Z")
The game itself isnā€™t inherently toxic. Iā€™d say a good portion of the player base is but unfortunately its the most vocal portion. ---
**Author:** ![MB\_ThePhotographer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mb_thephotographer/32/373722_2.png) [@MB\_ThePhotographer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MB_ThePhotographer)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2024, 4:28am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-eve-online-too-toxic/422709/382 "2024-02-18T04:28:48Z")
> [@RGC\_Godfather](#): > > Iā€™d say a good portion of the player base is I have to agree these days, but it was not always that way. PTW creeps into almost every game these days. Still salt tears are the best! ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2024, 4:56am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-eve-online-too-toxic/422709/383 "2024-02-18T04:56:55Z")
> [@MB\_ThePhotographer](#): > > Why did you kill me? I have an entire channel dedicated to helping new players with this question. ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2024, 4:57am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-eve-online-too-toxic/422709/384 "2024-02-18T04:57:28Z")
> [@RGC\_Godfather](#): > > The game itself isnā€™t inherently toxic. Iā€™d say a good portion of the player base is If you think most people are toxic, the toxic one is you. ---
**Author:** ![Eloken\_Toralen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/eloken_toralen/32/401714_2.png) [@Eloken\_Toralen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Eloken_Toralen)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2024, 5:00am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-eve-online-too-toxic/422709/385 "2024-02-18T05:00:58Z")
> [@James\_Fuchs](#): > > And on a related note, what kind of expectations and vision do you yourself have for Eve Online? It will only get better after it gets much much worse. Will have to see if its gone beyond timing point of a death spiral. ---
**Author:** ![MB\_ThePhotographer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mb_thephotographer/32/373722_2.png) [@MB\_ThePhotographer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MB_ThePhotographer)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2024, 5:14am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-eve-online-too-toxic/422709/386 "2024-02-18T05:14:32Z")
ā€œAnd then things got worseā€¦ā€. Say what you will about the Russians, but they seem to have a very prophetic attitude about this game. ---
**Author:** ![Zaera\_Keena](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zaera_keena/32/449938_2.png) [@Zaera\_Keena](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zaera_Keena)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2024, 1:12am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-eve-online-too-toxic/422709/387 "2024-02-19T01:12:17Z")
> [@MB\_ThePhotographer](#): > > Why did you kill me? Because I am an evil psycopath > [@MB\_ThePhotographer](#): > > What can I do to improve Fit purple mods > [@MB\_ThePhotographer](#): > > EVE is not toxic Yes I am ![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/5/d/8/5d8200dcf14d1d76469b7aaab2500f09c5532c8a.gif) ---
**Author:** ![MB\_ThePhotographer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mb_thephotographer/32/373722_2.png) [@MB\_ThePhotographer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MB_ThePhotographer)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2024, 1:19am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-eve-online-too-toxic/422709/388 "2024-02-19T01:19:42Z")
Yet you still hide behind all that sweetness! šŸ˜‰ ---
**Author:** ![Zaera\_Keena](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zaera_keena/32/449938_2.png) [@Zaera\_Keena](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zaera_Keena)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2024, 1:21am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-eve-online-too-toxic/422709/389 "2024-02-19T01:21:33Z")
![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/6/5/f/65f21fa30029df3a6b52dd091a29ab1c2dd60b2c.gif) ---
**Author:** ![MB\_ThePhotographer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mb_thephotographer/32/373722_2.png) [@MB\_ThePhotographer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MB_ThePhotographer)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2024, 1:23am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-eve-online-too-toxic/422709/390 "2024-02-19T01:23:22Z")
I did not know you were that cute as a child! See where monsters grow from! šŸ¤£ ---
**Author:** ![Anthony\_FatTony\_Amico](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anthony_fattony_amico/32/391106_2.png) [@Anthony\_FatTony\_Amico](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anthony_FatTony_Amico)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2024, 2:49am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-eve-online-too-toxic/422709/391 "2024-02-19T02:49:20Z")
Every game has their trolls. šŸ˜… ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2024, 2:54am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-eve-online-too-toxic/422709/392 "2024-02-19T02:54:12Z")
You think EVE is bad because you have to grind for 45 minutes to replace a Retriever? You people wouldnā€™t last a single day in any other game. [![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/3/e/a/3ea0af01ae9f514c987f6a01c26f0baf9e28991b.jpeg "It Happened Again") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nrm4z10vh90) ---
**Author:** ![MB\_ThePhotographer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mb_thephotographer/32/373722_2.png) [@MB\_ThePhotographer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MB_ThePhotographer)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2024, 3:39am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-eve-online-too-toxic/422709/393 "2024-02-19T03:39:19Z")
Watched it all. ā€œThe games a jokeā€. Just not for the same reasons for me as you, I think. Mehā€¦ Excellent vid! ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2024, 4:19am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-eve-online-too-toxic/422709/394 "2024-02-19T04:19:28Z")
If we take a very modest income rate of 50 million ISK per hour, losing a character that takes 500 hours to level up and gear out for high-end raiding is the equivalent of losing a 25 billion ISK ship (an exceptionally rare event per capita). But more realistically you can double or triple that figure. And yet the amount of crying and whining Iā€™ve seen from WoW HC players doesnā€™t even come close to the amount of crying and whining from EVE players when they experience comparatively trivial losses. Come to think of it, I play a lot of games, especially various perma-death shooters and MMOs, and I havenā€™t observed _nearly_ the same level of crying and whining on average in _any_ other game compared to what Iā€™ve seen in EVE. EVE players _definitely_ stand out as the _biggest_ whiner crybaby sourpuss cowards Iā€™ve _ever_ met in my extensive gaming experience. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-eve-online-too-toxic/422709.md?page=18) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-eve-online-too-toxic/422709.md?page=20)