# Is going subscription only the best way to save EVE? **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [May 19, 2021, 9:55am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-going-subscription-only-the-best-way-to-save-eve/312379 "2021-05-19T09:55:25Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Zoiie](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zoiie/32/292363_2.png) [@Zoiie](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zoiie)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2021, 12:23pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-going-subscription-only-the-best-way-to-save-eve/312379/41 "2021-05-19T12:23:13Z")
Yes and then you encourage them to buy more PLEX, by creating more sinks (more demand for items/isk), and special offers. PLEX vouchers on Bitrefill please so we can buy PLEX with crypto thus more money in their bank. ---
**Author:** ![Nana\_Skalski](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nana_skalski/32/489985_2.png) [@Nana\_Skalski](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nana_Skalski)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2021, 12:24pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-going-subscription-only-the-best-way-to-save-eve/312379/42 "2021-05-19T12:24:09Z")
> [@Zoiie](#): > > And where do PLEX get created from? Paying customers? Players who have not enough ISK or they need PLEX for the items from store or activities that need PLEX initially like HyperGambling, also HyperGambling can induce loss of ISK with gamblers, so they would need PLEX to finance their gambling further. People not doing enough PvE or trading will suffer financially when they simultanously would like to PvP or indulge in other risky behaviors. Thats where CCP walks in and says “-10% on all PLEX offers!”. ---
**Author:** ![DeMichael\_Crimson](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/demichael_crimson/32/514115_2.png) [@DeMichael\_Crimson](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/DeMichael_Crimson)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2021, 12:26pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-going-subscription-only-the-best-way-to-save-eve/312379/43 "2021-05-19T12:26:08Z")
lol, their latest one was -18% on all PLEX packs. ---
**Author:** ![Zoiie](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zoiie/32/292363_2.png) [@Zoiie](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zoiie)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2021, 12:26pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-going-subscription-only-the-best-way-to-save-eve/312379/44 "2021-05-19T12:26:56Z")
Yup, waiting to buy the PLEX voucher on Bitrefill or somewhere I can spend crypto. I won’t use a CC due to counterparty risk of overcharging, misscharging and then fight disputes. ---
**Author:** ![DeMichael\_Crimson](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/demichael_crimson/32/514115_2.png) [@DeMichael\_Crimson](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/DeMichael_Crimson)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2021, 12:31pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-going-subscription-only-the-best-way-to-save-eve/312379/45 "2021-05-19T12:31:04Z")
I don’t see CCP doing that anytime soon. ---
**Author:** ![Zoiie](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zoiie/32/292363_2.png) [@Zoiie](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zoiie)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2021, 12:31pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-going-subscription-only-the-best-way-to-save-eve/312379/46 "2021-05-19T12:31:44Z")
They sell packs on Steam, they can sell vouchers in any voucher outlet, in fact that is how one bought Eve game time codes (GTC’s) in the past. It’s not a new thing, just sell VOUCHERS, like GTC’s they used to, any store can sell the voucher packs. ---
**Author:** ![DeMichael\_Crimson](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/demichael_crimson/32/514115_2.png) [@DeMichael\_Crimson](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/DeMichael_Crimson)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2021, 12:32pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-going-subscription-only-the-best-way-to-save-eve/312379/47 "2021-05-19T12:32:13Z")
Sure, with real cash… ---
**Author:** ![Zoiie](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zoiie/32/292363_2.png) [@Zoiie](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zoiie)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2021, 12:32pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-going-subscription-only-the-best-way-to-save-eve/312379/48 "2021-05-19T12:32:30Z")
That’s up to the retailer and store, they decide how they want paid. CCP gets their money in their bank, they don’t care and we get our voucher code to redeem in Eve. Bitrefill accepts crypto, let them sell vouchers, it’s their problem. If we can buy PLEX via Steam, we can already get Steam vouchers via Bitrefill. Just do it directly for non Steam customers so they can buy PLEX vouchers on Bitrefill. Bitrefill is just an agent for selling vouchers. ---
**Author:** ![Natalie\_Patrovita](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/natalie_patrovita/32/253528_2.png) [@Natalie\_Patrovita](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Natalie_Patrovita)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2021, 12:33pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-going-subscription-only-the-best-way-to-save-eve/312379/49 "2021-05-19T12:33:20Z")
> [@Zoiie](#): > > Yes and then you encourage them to buy more PLEX, by creating more sinks (more demand for items/isk), and special offers. So _you_’re the one giving all your money to CCP. Stop it, you’re not doing the game any good. Until people like you stop rewarding CCP for their laziness by buying PLEX all we’ll have will be microtransactions, nefs and no real content. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2021, 12:36pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-going-subscription-only-the-best-way-to-save-eve/312379/50 "2021-05-19T12:36:27Z")
Her comeback will be Good of CCP’s bank account = Good of game ---
**Author:** ![Natalie\_Patrovita](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/natalie_patrovita/32/253528_2.png) [@Natalie\_Patrovita](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Natalie_Patrovita)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2021, 12:38pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-going-subscription-only-the-best-way-to-save-eve/312379/51 "2021-05-19T12:38:02Z")
Time to gank her out of the game. ---
**Author:** ![Zoiie](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zoiie/32/292363_2.png) [@Zoiie](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zoiie)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2021, 12:38pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-going-subscription-only-the-best-way-to-save-eve/312379/52 "2021-05-19T12:38:43Z")
Bring it. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2021, 12:38pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-going-subscription-only-the-best-way-to-save-eve/312379/53 "2021-05-19T12:38:43Z")
Oh hun, Im out of likes apparently I love too much. Have this +1 instead ---
**Author:** ![Natalie\_Patrovita](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/natalie_patrovita/32/253528_2.png) [@Natalie\_Patrovita](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Natalie_Patrovita)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2021, 12:39pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-going-subscription-only-the-best-way-to-save-eve/312379/54 "2021-05-19T12:39:56Z")
> [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > apparently I love too much CCP is even tightwads with hearts, shame on them. ---
**Author:** ![Natalie\_Patrovita](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/natalie_patrovita/32/253528_2.png) [@Natalie\_Patrovita](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Natalie_Patrovita)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2021, 12:41pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-going-subscription-only-the-best-way-to-save-eve/312379/55 "2021-05-19T12:41:02Z")
> [@Zoiie](#): > > Bring it. _finally_! Some content, lol. Comin’ for ya baby. But is this even a character you regularly play with? See, Natalie here isn’t my ganking clone. She nice, sort of a diplomat and spy. ---
**Author:** ![Uncle\_Sidney\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/uncle_sidney_mccandless/32/273914_2.png) [@Uncle\_Sidney\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Uncle_Sidney_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2021, 12:49pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-going-subscription-only-the-best-way-to-save-eve/312379/56 "2021-05-19T12:49:39Z")
'Ere luv, me niece said she needed a spare like. So I thought, like, Id like to give you a like cos you’re so likable, eh? So anyway, I said, I said “I tried to make peace with the Caldari, but its impossible. One minute its Peace On, the next its Peace Off!” [![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/7/2/8/72827b83c417b32face27246ff1e8665b13bd222.jpeg "Sid James Laugh") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gVrm6Qc6neM) ---
**Author:** ![Akrasjel\_Lanate](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/akrasjel_lanate/32/389758_2.png) [@Akrasjel\_Lanate](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Akrasjel_Lanate)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2021, 1:29pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-going-subscription-only-the-best-way-to-save-eve/312379/57 "2021-05-19T13:29:07Z")
EVE Online income based on subscription by default from the beginning just recently they added a unilimited trial(in past it was a 2 week trial only) that they are marketing as F2P for some reason. ---
**Author:** ![Argel\_OTF2](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/argel_otf2/32/388676_2.png) [@Argel\_OTF2](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Argel_OTF2)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2021, 1:49pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-going-subscription-only-the-best-way-to-save-eve/312379/58 "2021-05-19T13:49:42Z")
Nah, I meant funded by in game activities. Some of the wording of my OP could have been better 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Argel\_OTF2](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/argel_otf2/32/388676_2.png) [@Argel\_OTF2](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Argel_OTF2)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2021, 1:59pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-going-subscription-only-the-best-way-to-save-eve/312379/59 "2021-05-19T13:59:45Z")
Yeah you’re right, my OP wording wasn’t the best on that. ‘Making’ and ‘cajoling’ being the difference I guess. But I think it’s clear enough that they see putting a crunch on people as a viable business strategy, and I’d guess that it works well enough for them. That means we can expect more of it in future, and that they’ll be more dramatic. Someone made a great point in the patch notes thread - CCP have clearly got a long term aim that everyone should be making micro-transactions of some kind each month. It may seem improbable now, but they can arbitrarily introduce something into the game for almost every person to need to pay for if they choose. Right now it’s more subtle - put a squeeze on people and see more revenue - but in the long run, I think it’ll get more overt in terms of paying for modules/ships etc - RSI style. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2021, 2:02pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-going-subscription-only-the-best-way-to-save-eve/312379/60 "2021-05-19T14:02:10Z")
Yeah Im with you. The wierd thing is, does CCP do no market research? Do they not see how the more successful games have a two tier system that breaks the game into those who have the time to not need to MT and those who want the speed? People complained EvE would turn into WoT under MT, but frankly, WoT is a far superior system for it, and you DONT need to MT to play and have a great game and a huge tank collection. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-going-subscription-only-the-best-way-to-save-eve/312379.md?page=2) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-going-subscription-only-the-best-way-to-save-eve/312379.md?page=4)