# Is Hisec ganking good for the game? **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [September 9, 2021, 1:51am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-hisec-ganking-good-for-the-game/326997 "2021-09-09T01:51:41Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 100
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2021, 8:36pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-hisec-ganking-good-for-the-game/326997/2016 "2021-10-13T20:36:32Z")
So you are saying you are making up a rumour. You either have proof or you dont. Dont get peoples hopes up with false accusations. ---
**Author:** ![Xucca](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xucca/32/373499_2.png) [@Xucca](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xucca)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2021, 8:40pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-hisec-ganking-good-for-the-game/326997/2017 "2021-10-13T20:40:57Z")
> [@Scipio\_Artelius](#): > > Almost 2000 posts in the thread is pretty much a train wreck now. Any good posts are quickly swamped by everything else that’s going on. > > Not much chance of a decent discussion until the start of the next thread. Hmm… I’m gonna have to push this scary looking button! @Scipio_Artelius Loco!.. thanks for your input. I appreciate it and Ramona’s when in the right mood… Actly, thanks to everyone who tried and dropped decent comments to the topic. You guys are better than this but it’s too darn scarce! Let me know when mature. If ever! ---
**Author:** ![Kellie\_McCalamitie](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kellie_mccalamitie/32/285447_2.png) [@Kellie\_McCalamitie](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kellie_McCalamitie)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2021, 8:42pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-hisec-ganking-good-for-the-game/326997/2018 "2021-10-13T20:42:06Z")
> [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > So you are saying you are making up a rumour. You can twist what I wrote, sure, I’m getting a little tired and the debate on YouTube is getting more interesting than the forum at this point so I’m getting more than sidetracked. > [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > Dont get peoples hopes up with false accusations They’re not false accusations, they’re just unsubstantiated at this particular moment in time. ---
**Author:** ![Rroff](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/rroff/32/509119_2.png) [@Rroff](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Rroff)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2021, 8:42pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-hisec-ganking-good-for-the-game/326997/2019 "2021-10-13T20:42:24Z")
> [@Gix\_Firebrand](#): > > You weren’t trying to bait. You’re gas lighting and frustrated that it isn’t working. On an unrelated game note, I feel sorry for the relationships in your life as you def use this tactic on them all the time. Oof. > > And you are an alt. Drac is clearly your indy alt which you fuel with Rroff’s krabbing. Cept you done messed around and got rroffed in the forums by Aiko and exposed yourself. > > Its clear you get confused sometimes by which one is logged in and which you are commentating. Its ok bruv 😃 More laughs for me No I wasn’t trying to bait - you hooked yourself on an entirely throw away comment now trying to wriggle away by deflecting and \*\*\*\* posting. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2021, 8:43pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-hisec-ganking-good-for-the-game/326997/2020 "2021-10-13T20:43:09Z")
> [@Kellie\_McCalamitie](#): > > They’re not false, they’re just unsubstantiated ![kid-unamused](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/8/3/8/838b9bda3876a1404ee0ca8cf6e9bd83f9b239ca.gif) ---
**Author:** ![Kellie\_McCalamitie](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kellie_mccalamitie/32/285447_2.png) [@Kellie\_McCalamitie](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kellie_McCalamitie)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2021, 8:43pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-hisec-ganking-good-for-the-game/326997/2021 "2021-10-13T20:43:56Z")
@Ramona_McCandless😂 Nice, thanks for the laugh! ---
**Author:** ![Rroff](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/rroff/32/509119_2.png) [@Rroff](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Rroff)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2021, 8:44pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-hisec-ganking-good-for-the-game/326997/2022 "2021-10-13T20:44:43Z")
Well I did try to move things on - but even an attempt at a constructive comment about wormholes got jumped on. ---
**Author:** ![Xucca](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xucca/32/373499_2.png) [@Xucca](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xucca)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2021, 8:45pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-hisec-ganking-good-for-the-game/326997/2023 "2021-10-13T20:45:51Z")
Here’s a kind reminder: . 1.Specifically restricted conduct. The purpose of the EVE Online forums is to provide a platform for exchange of ideas, and a venue for the discussion of EVE Online. Occasionally there will be conflicts that arise when people voice opinions. Forum users are expected to courteous when disagreeing with others. In order to maintain an environment where everyone is welcome and discussion flows freely, certain types of conduct are prohibited on the EVE Online forums. These are: ```auto Trolling Flaming Ranting Personal Attacks Harassment Doxxing Racism & Discrimination Hate Speech Sexism Spamming Bumping Off-Topic Posting Pyramid Quoting Rumor Mongering Player Bashing Impersonation Advertising ``` ---
**Author:** ![Scipio\_Artelius](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scipio_artelius/32/408264_2.png) [@Scipio\_Artelius](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scipio_Artelius)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2021, 9:05pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-hisec-ganking-good-for-the-game/326997/2024 "2021-10-13T21:05:52Z")
> [@Oskar\_Milde](#): > > True, though I’d similarly assume a relatively comparable number of victims would still be linked to zkill, so there may not be that much of an overall difference in reporting. > > Calling all spreadsheet nerds! Let’s have some deep dive statistical analysis here, stat. The simplest, blunt approach to seeing how much zkillboard is reflective or not of the total loss within the game is to compare the stats zkill provide, with the ESI stats. That is, zkillboard publishes the number of kills added in the last hour: ![kills_this_hour](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/0/3/8/0384d4fcbcd07449b0832ccf67b4d0513504d1ee.png) At the same time, the ESI provides a cached value of kills by system: [https://esi.evetech.net/latest/universe/system\_kills/?datasource=tranquility](https://esi.evetech.net/latest/universe/system_kills/?datasource=tranquility) The 2 will never line up perfectly, which is why it’s a blunt estimate, but just totaling up the number of pod and ship kills (which includes structures) from the ESI and comparing it to the zkill values, gives a rough estimate of how many kills are missing overall (not ganking specifically). The current cached totals for examples: ![cached_esi](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/9/a/b/9abcf8fd8632147808a2f07fce22ff49e6d18111.png) 1333 / 1966 = 68% of total kills It varies throughout the day and varies because of the different times periods between the live value of zkill and the cached value that CCP provide. Looking at it multiple times a day, it generally varies from about 50% to 95%. The only real valid conclusion from that, it that there are a lot of kills overall that aren’t posted to zkillboard. To get better than that needs validation of the data for specific systems, or ship types. It’s time consuming, but without access to CCP’s raw data, sampling is the only approach we have. For freighters for example, sitting in Uedama with alts on each gate and then comparing the number of ganks observed to the number that appear on zkillboard provides a much better comparison. Doing that across multiple times zones, multiple days, multiple systems and re-validating it periodically, provides even higher confidence. Last time I validated the freighter loss for example, \>95% of observed highsec freighter losses were posted to zkillboard. So for freighters at least, zkill data is pretty reflective of actual. ---
**Author:** ![Gix\_Firebrand](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gix_firebrand/32/456949_2.png) [@Gix\_Firebrand](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gix_Firebrand)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2021, 9:22pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-hisec-ganking-good-for-the-game/326997/2025 "2021-10-13T21:22:02Z")
> [@Rroff](#): > > No I wasn’t trying to bait - you hooked yourself on an entirely throw away comment now trying to wriggle away by deflecting and \*\*\*\* posting. Whew chile, the gas lighting. At least you don’t give up on that tactic huh? > [@Kellie\_McCalamitie](#): > > Define Reality. The place you aren’t 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Xuxe\_Xu](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xuxe_xu/32/464660_2.png) [@Xuxe\_Xu](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xuxe_Xu)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2021, 9:45pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-hisec-ganking-good-for-the-game/326997/2026 "2021-10-13T21:45:47Z")
> [@Kellie\_McCalamitie](#): > > bootlicking buchwackers. Mostly false. Her Royal Highness Imperatrix Protectoress Aiko only wears boots when valiantly leading from the front ala Alexander the Great. At other times, such as when holding court, I think HRHIP favours more refined space-sandals: ![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/3/4/5/345157f18d5e3635f6afa77606abdf65193effd0.png) ---
**Author:** ![Kellie\_McCalamitie](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kellie_mccalamitie/32/285447_2.png) [@Kellie\_McCalamitie](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kellie_McCalamitie)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2021, 9:58pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-hisec-ganking-good-for-the-game/326997/2027 "2021-10-13T21:58:31Z")
> [@Xuxe\_Xu](#): > > Her Royal Highness Imperatrix Protectoress Aiko only wears boots when valiantly leading from the front ala Alexander the Great. 🤣 > [@Xuxe\_Xu](#): > > At other times, such as when holding court, I think HRHRIP favours more refined space-sandals Sandal-licking bushwackers also and if she wear Stilettos then Stiletto-licking bushwackers and when she wears snickers then snicker-licker bushwackers and so on and so forth… ---
**Author:** ![Kellie\_McCalamitie](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kellie_mccalamitie/32/285447_2.png) [@Kellie\_McCalamitie](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kellie_McCalamitie)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2021, 10:01pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-hisec-ganking-good-for-the-game/326997/2028 "2021-10-13T22:01:33Z")
> [@Gix\_Firebrand](#): > > The place you aren’t Yea, that’s what I thought, you’re not even worth exchanging words with so I’ll put you aside to the same pit as your domina so you can better lick her boots or sandals or snickers… ---
**Author:** ![Jayce\_Fitzpatrick](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jayce_fitzpatrick/32/383289_2.png) [@Jayce\_Fitzpatrick](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jayce_Fitzpatrick)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2021, 10:06pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-hisec-ganking-good-for-the-game/326997/2029 "2021-10-13T22:06:14Z")
I see we’ve reached beyond 2000… next is 3000. We can do it! 💎 🙌 💎 🙌 🚀 🚀 🚀 ---
**Author:** ![Xuxe\_Xu](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xuxe_xu/32/464660_2.png) [@Xuxe\_Xu](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xuxe_Xu)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2021, 10:53pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-hisec-ganking-good-for-the-game/326997/2030 "2021-10-13T22:53:59Z")
![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/a/9/0/a906d85db72809b700a9237e99be22382c3c5044.gif) ---
**Author:** ![Gix\_Firebrand](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gix_firebrand/32/456949_2.png) [@Gix\_Firebrand](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gix_Firebrand)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2021, 10:58pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-hisec-ganking-good-for-the-game/326997/2031 "2021-10-13T22:58:40Z")
> [@Kellie\_McCalamitie](#): > > Yea, that’s what I thought, you’re not even worth exchanging words with so I’ll put you aside to the same pit as your domina so you can better lick her boots or sandals or snickers… Oh? You asked me to define reality, I simply did what you asked. Just because you don’t like it, doesn’t mean it isn’t true. I’m guessing you’re using your amethyst to divine if Aiko and the CSMs are colluding amirite? Also uh, I think you’re projecting hardcore. As I’ve said boot licking def isn’t one of my kinks. I think you are so specific in this description for a reason. I’m guessing the princess has captured your interest huh? ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2021, 11:32pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-hisec-ganking-good-for-the-game/326997/2032 "2021-10-13T23:32:38Z")
For full disclosure, I have been advised to make the following statement. > I categorically have no connection whatsoever, direct or indirect, with Brisc Rubal, Brisc Ruball, the Initiative, karttoon, or the Goonswarm Federation. I am not, nor have I ever been, a member of Jihadswarm, Clockwork Pineapple, or the VCBees. I do not receive any funding, in or out of game, from the Mittani, the [Mittani.com](http://Mittani.com), Helicity Boson, loyalanon, Snuffed Out, or MiniLuv. ---
**Author:** ![Etch\_Masuka](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/etch_masuka/32/468743_2.png) [@Etch\_Masuka](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Etch_Masuka)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2021, 6:40am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-hisec-ganking-good-for-the-game/326997/2033 "2021-10-14T06:40:10Z")
@Kellie_McCalamitie you are being active in this thread for someone who has scammed and bullied so many new players out of the game ---
**Author:** ![Hans\_Devin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/hans_devin/32/373511_2.png) [@Hans\_Devin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Hans_Devin)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2021, 6:51am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-hisec-ganking-good-for-the-game/326997/2034 "2021-10-14T06:51:48Z")
I suppose this is off topic but…Is Hisec ganking good for the game? ---
**Author:** ![Zoiie](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zoiie/32/292363_2.png) [@Zoiie](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zoiie)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2021, 7:01am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-hisec-ganking-good-for-the-game/326997/2035 "2021-10-14T07:01:12Z")
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