# Is Hisec ganking good for the game? **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [September 9, 2021, 1:51am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-hisec-ganking-good-for-the-game/326997 "2021-09-09T01:51:41Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 104
**Author:** ![Kellie\_McCalamitie](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kellie_mccalamitie/32/285447_2.png) [@Kellie\_McCalamitie](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kellie_McCalamitie)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2021, 8:34am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-hisec-ganking-good-for-the-game/326997/2096 "2021-10-15T08:34:31Z")
> [@Ricky\_Tock](#): > > Okay. It’s a major reason why every decision matters in this game and other games feel like vacuums. Naah man, it’s just about the isk, that’s what I understand from my exchange with Ramona and Gerard. > [@Ricky\_Tock](#): > > I’m not sure how much the sandbox experience has “changed” over the years, but it still beats other games by miles That’s a matter of taste, it’s not objective. > [@Ricky\_Tock](#): > > Can’t find any other game worth my decision making-- they all begin to feel trivial and predictable. I can. I think Elite is worth my decision making. I think Assassins’ Creed is worth that too, I can think of at least 5 games where my decision-making is challenged but then again, it’s a matter of taste. > [@Ricky\_Tock](#): > > I have never even experienced this rumored high-sec ganking, so I can’t even confirm it exists more than a ghost story people tell each other to deter competition Haha!! The shadow of Mordor is ever present and it’s Orcs lurk in every dark corner of the forest, unseen but felt, unheard but guessed at, and the great eye is ever watching… ---
**Author:** ![Kellie\_McCalamitie](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kellie_mccalamitie/32/285447_2.png) [@Kellie\_McCalamitie](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kellie_McCalamitie)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2021, 8:36am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-hisec-ganking-good-for-the-game/326997/2097 "2021-10-15T08:36:19Z")
> [@Gerard\_Amatin](#): > > Taking the ‘moral high ground’ of refusing to shoot ‘defenseless’ ships does give that impression, yes OH MY LORD!! I did get the feeling that I was wasting my time here! You just confirmed that. Thank you. ---
**Author:** ![Ricky\_Tock](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ricky_tock/32/297351_2.png) [@Ricky\_Tock](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ricky_Tock)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2021, 8:37am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-hisec-ganking-good-for-the-game/326997/2098 "2021-10-15T08:37:12Z")
> [@Kellie\_McCalamitie](#): > > Naah man, it’s just about the isk, that’s what I understand from my exchange with Ramona and Gerard. If that is what you understand, who am I to change it? > [@Kellie\_McCalamitie](#): > > That’s a matter of taste, it’s not objective. I was replying to your objective response, which was to call something lame. I thought this whole thing was objective. > [@Kellie\_McCalamitie](#): > > I can. I think Elite is worth my decision making. I think Assassins’ Creed is worth that too, I can think of at least 5 games where my decision-making is challenged but then again, it’s a matter of taste. Yes, of course. This is a matter of taste. Those games you mentioned just don’t do it for me. I feel like my decisions in those games will only ever garner my own interest. In EvE, I feel I am able to capture the interest of many different players from different backgrounds in ways I can’t in other games. I like people and their stories. > [@Kellie\_McCalamitie](#): > > Haha!! The shadow of Mordor is ever present and it’s Orcs lurk in every dark corner of the forest, unseen but felt, unheard but guessed at, and the great eye is ever watching… This guy gets it! ---
**Author:** ![Gerard\_Amatin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gerard_amatin/32/481361_2.png) [@Gerard\_Amatin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gerard_Amatin)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2021, 8:41am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-hisec-ganking-good-for-the-game/326997/2099 "2021-10-15T08:41:53Z")
> [@Kellie\_McCalamitie](#): > > Naah man, it’s just about the isk, that’s what I understand from my exchange with Ramona and Gerard. It’s not about the isk, it’s about the risk and properly managing that risk. Isk, while nice, is secondary for me. I have a lot of pleasure in managing to avoid hostiles in my noncombat ship, even if it means I don’t make much ISK. > [@Kellie\_McCalamitie](#): > > Would you go into combat with a Venture? I think not. Then you haven’t had the pleasure of seeing Barry Foldar in his battle Venture yet. Ships that aren’t intended for combat can still be fit for combat, if only for the element of surprise. Baiting an Astero to attack your battle Heron can be very succesful, I still want to try that one day. ---
**Author:** ![Kellie\_McCalamitie](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kellie_mccalamitie/32/285447_2.png) [@Kellie\_McCalamitie](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kellie_McCalamitie)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2021, 8:45am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-hisec-ganking-good-for-the-game/326997/2100 "2021-10-15T08:45:52Z")
> [@Ricky\_Tock](#): > > If that is what you understand, who am I to change it? I’m probably one of the most stubborn person you’ll ever meet, and it’s saved my life a few times and made me avoid a lot of trouble more than I can count on my fingers and toes, so no, you can’t change what I think unless I want to review it and see it from another angle I may not have perceived. > [@Ricky\_Tock](#): > > I was replying to your objective response, which was to call something lame Don’t mix apples and oranges now. I called a catch phrase lame, not the game. ---
**Author:** ![Kellie\_McCalamitie](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kellie_mccalamitie/32/285447_2.png) [@Kellie\_McCalamitie](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kellie_McCalamitie)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2021, 8:48am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-hisec-ganking-good-for-the-game/326997/2101 "2021-10-15T08:48:43Z")
> [@Gerard\_Amatin](#): > > Then you haven’t had the pleasure of seeing Barry Foldar in his battle Venture yet. Sure… how many boosters does he inject and how many implants does he have? And I’m sure they’re not the cheap kinds either. Put a player with 15mil xp, no boosters and one limited ocular implant in that same venture and watch the fireworks. ---
**Author:** ![Gerard\_Amatin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gerard_amatin/32/481361_2.png) [@Gerard\_Amatin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gerard_Amatin)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2021, 8:50am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-hisec-ganking-good-for-the-game/326997/2102 "2021-10-15T08:50:20Z")
Cheap 1.3 million isk Ventures. Some combat probes on it and throws himself at anything that doesn’t warp off in time. It’s great. ---
**Author:** ![Kellie\_McCalamitie](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kellie_mccalamitie/32/285447_2.png) [@Kellie\_McCalamitie](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kellie_McCalamitie)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2021, 8:54am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-hisec-ganking-good-for-the-game/326997/2103 "2021-10-15T08:54:34Z")
> [@Gerard\_Amatin](#): > > Cheap 1.3 million isk Ventures. Some combat probes on it and throws himself at anything that doesn’t warp off in time. It’s great So why don’t you do it? Matter of fact, why don’t every EVE player do it if it’s so great? ---
**Author:** ![Gerard\_Amatin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gerard_amatin/32/481361_2.png) [@Gerard\_Amatin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gerard_Amatin)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2021, 8:58am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-hisec-ganking-good-for-the-game/326997/2104 "2021-10-15T08:58:14Z")
Because there are thousands of things to do in EVE, cannot do them all? Where are you trying to go with this discussion? You said you wouldn’t take a noncombat ship like a Venture for combat. I showed how it can be used for combat regardless of the ‘noncombat status’ of the ship. Any ship can be used for combat (except maybe freighters as they cannot use offensive modules). So to me it makes little sense to not attack certain ships based on their ‘noncombat status’. ---
**Author:** ![Kellie\_McCalamitie](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kellie_mccalamitie/32/285447_2.png) [@Kellie\_McCalamitie](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kellie_McCalamitie)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2021, 9:00am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-hisec-ganking-good-for-the-game/326997/2105 "2021-10-15T09:00:20Z")
> [@Gerard\_Amatin](#): > > You said you wouldn’t take a noncombat ship like a Venture for combat. I showed how it can be used for combat regardless of the ‘noncombat status’ of the ship. Any ship can be used for combat (except maybe freighters as they cannot use offensive modules). So to me it makes little sense to not attack certain ships based on their ‘noncombat status’. Yes… so every mining ship has a Barry Foldar in it and that’s why we have to blow them up. ---
**Author:** ![Gerard\_Amatin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gerard_amatin/32/481361_2.png) [@Gerard\_Amatin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gerard_Amatin)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2021, 9:01am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-hisec-ganking-good-for-the-game/326997/2106 "2021-10-15T09:01:28Z")
Exactly! Glad we agree on that: kill all the ships, even the ‘harmless’ as they are all potentially dangerous competition. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2021, 9:02am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-hisec-ganking-good-for-the-game/326997/2107 "2021-10-15T09:02:44Z")
> [@Kellie\_McCalamitie](#): > > Then re-read my replies, all the information is there. Clearly not, because you literally refuse to answer questions you find too difficult. ---
**Author:** ![Kellie\_McCalamitie](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kellie_mccalamitie/32/285447_2.png) [@Kellie\_McCalamitie](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kellie_McCalamitie)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2021, 9:03am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-hisec-ganking-good-for-the-game/326997/2108 "2021-10-15T09:03:39Z")
> [@Gerard\_Amatin](#): > > dangerous competition. That’s just an excuse. Don’t tell me a player who’s a year into EVE is "dangerous competition " for a player who’s 10 years into the game, sure right uh-hu… Why don’t people onnthus forum cut the crap and start saying what’s really up? EVE is all about how much isk an hour you can make, it’s no different than the real world, greed and lies and backstabbing. ---
**Author:** ![Gerard\_Amatin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gerard_amatin/32/481361_2.png) [@Gerard\_Amatin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gerard_Amatin)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2021, 9:05am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-hisec-ganking-good-for-the-game/326997/2109 "2021-10-15T09:05:21Z")
> [@Kellie\_McCalamitie](#): > > Don’t tell me a player who’s a year into EVE is "dangerous competition " for a player who’s 10 years into the game, sure right uh-hu… Depending on the trained skills and player experience, that 1 year player might be far more competent and dangerous in their ship than the 10 year veteran that may just be flying their ship time for the first time in their EVE career. > [@Kellie\_McCalamitie](#): > > EVE is all about how much isk an hour you can make, it’s no different than the real world, greed and lies and backstabbing. ISK per hour is secondary. Means to an end, a way to buy new ships. Primary goal is fun per hour. ---
**Author:** ![Kellie\_McCalamitie](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kellie_mccalamitie/32/285447_2.png) [@Kellie\_McCalamitie](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kellie_McCalamitie)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2021, 9:07am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-hisec-ganking-good-for-the-game/326997/2110 "2021-10-15T09:07:42Z")
> [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > Clearly not, because you literally refuse to answer questions you find too difficult. Oh, **you’re** gonna play that game too? ![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/0/7/3/073d4e162de2f03f38f628a05176e60f0c3f81ee.webp "- Find & Share on GIPHY") ---
**Author:** ![Kellie\_McCalamitie](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kellie_mccalamitie/32/285447_2.png) [@Kellie\_McCalamitie](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kellie_McCalamitie)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2021, 9:11am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-hisec-ganking-good-for-the-game/326997/2111 "2021-10-15T09:11:17Z")
> [@Gerard\_Amatin](#): > > ISK per hour is secondary. Means to an end, a way to buy new ships Yeah, that’s what every single greedy tightwad says “Oh I don’t care about the money, I just yaddy-yadda…” while they’re ruining their relationship with their brother over 50 bucks. ---
**Author:** ![Gerard\_Amatin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gerard_amatin/32/481361_2.png) [@Gerard\_Amatin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gerard_Amatin)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2021, 9:12am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-hisec-ganking-good-for-the-game/326997/2112 "2021-10-15T09:12:47Z")
> [@Kellie\_McCalamitie](#): > > Yeah, that’s what every single greedy tightwad says Just because every single greedy tightwad says X, does not mean that everyone who says X is a single greedy tightwad. Lots of players play the game to have fun. Lots of players don’t necessarily need high ISK/hour to have fun. Try to have fun! Blow up a miner today! ---
**Author:** ![Kellie\_McCalamitie](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kellie_mccalamitie/32/285447_2.png) [@Kellie\_McCalamitie](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kellie_McCalamitie)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2021, 9:14am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-hisec-ganking-good-for-the-game/326997/2113 "2021-10-15T09:14:01Z")
> [@Gerard\_Amatin](#): > > Just because every single greedy tightwad says X, does not mean that everyone who says X is a single greedy tightwad. Just because I disagree with you doesn’t mean I’m against ganking in hisec. ---
**Author:** ![Gerard\_Amatin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gerard_amatin/32/481361_2.png) [@Gerard\_Amatin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gerard_Amatin)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2021, 9:14am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-hisec-ganking-good-for-the-game/326997/2114 "2021-10-15T09:14:56Z")
True. Disagreeing with me does indeed not mean you are against ganking in high sec. But what _is_ your stance on high sec ganking? ---
**Author:** ![Kellie\_McCalamitie](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kellie_mccalamitie/32/285447_2.png) [@Kellie\_McCalamitie](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kellie_McCalamitie)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2021, 9:16am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-hisec-ganking-good-for-the-game/326997/2115 "2021-10-15T09:16:31Z")
> [@Gerard\_Amatin](#): > > But what _is_ your stance on high sec ganking? My stance is: They can gank all they want, it won’t be me they blow up 😃 [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-hisec-ganking-good-for-the-game/326997.md?page=103) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-hisec-ganking-good-for-the-game/326997.md?page=105)