# Is Hisec ganking good for the game? **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [September 9, 2021, 1:51am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-hisec-ganking-good-for-the-game/326997 "2021-09-09T01:51:41Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 11
**Author:** ![Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/uriel_the_flame/32/490165_2.png) [@Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Uriel_the_Flame)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2021, 8:02am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-hisec-ganking-good-for-the-game/326997/212 "2021-09-14T08:02:33Z")
Q: Is Hisec ganking good for the game? A: Yes, as it creates content for anti-gankers (along haulers and gankers). Githany Red is the living evidence that ganking is good for the game. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Grokan\_Eriker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/grokan_eriker/32/388490_2.png) [@Grokan\_Eriker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Grokan_Eriker)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2021, 8:36am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-hisec-ganking-good-for-the-game/326997/213 "2021-09-14T08:36:37Z")
People posting here as if ganks only happened on loaded ships with profit intent. > **[Charon | anovergy | Killmail](https://zkillboard.com/kill/95092561/)** > > anovergy (Darkdust Industries Empire) lost their Charon in Uedama (The Citadel). Final Blow by Nergalchen (Blood Raiders Children Orphanage Charity) flying in a Catalyst. Total Value: 3,625,691,928.96 ISK > **[Charon | Ziea en Daire | Killmail](https://zkillboard.com/kill/95114616/)** > > Ziea en Daire (Exotic bird tranport) lost their Charon in Uedama (The Citadel). Final Blow by Heorah Hannah (Blood Raiders Children Orphanage Charity) flying in a Catalyst. Total Value: 3,691,257,642.71 ISK > **[Procurer | ED AtIt | Killmail](https://zkillboard.com/kill/95111205/)** > > ED AtIt (OPSEC - Shadow Fighters) lost their Procurer in Uedama (The Citadel) Total Value: 49,529,575.88 ISK People are routinely killed for nothing more than the pleasure of seeing something big (or small) pop. If you think this is good for the game, you’re delusional. ---
**Author:** ![Scipio\_Artelius](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scipio_artelius/32/408264_2.png) [@Scipio\_Artelius](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scipio_Artelius)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2021, 8:39am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-hisec-ganking-good-for-the-game/326997/214 "2021-09-14T08:39:27Z")
> [@Grokan\_Eriker](#): > > People posting here as if ganks only happened on loaded ships with profit intent. Who’s doing that? > [@Grokan\_Eriker](#): > > If you think this is good for the game, you’re delusional. We are all playing a video game. We are all equally delusional. ---
**Author:** ![Grokan\_Eriker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/grokan_eriker/32/388490_2.png) [@Grokan\_Eriker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Grokan_Eriker)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2021, 8:48am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-hisec-ganking-good-for-the-game/326997/215 "2021-09-14T08:48:04Z")
You, for one. > [@Is Hisec ganking good for the game?](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-hisec-ganking-good-for-the-game/326997/73): > > They have the smarts of the pilot and a massive tank. Unfortunately most people only fly their freighter with one of those. Suggesting that if you tank up your ship, you won’t get ganked, or have a dramatic effect on your chances of getting ganked is disingenuous at best. If people are out there to gank, they **will** gank you, no matter your tank or “smarts”. Like someone said up above, the only real solution seems to be to never undock, or at least never try to go to trade hubs. ---
**Author:** ![Scipio\_Artelius](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scipio_artelius/32/408264_2.png) [@Scipio\_Artelius](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scipio_Artelius)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2021, 9:03am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-hisec-ganking-good-for-the-game/326997/216 "2021-09-14T09:03:02Z")
> [@Grokan\_Eriker](#): > > You, for one. How does that imply that ganks only happen on loaded ships? But no. Ganks can happen to almost any ship capable of flying in highsec. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2021, 9:03am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-hisec-ganking-good-for-the-game/326997/217 "2021-09-14T09:03:45Z")
> [@Grokan\_Eriker](#): > > Suggesting that if you tank up your ship, you won’t get ganked, or have a dramatic effect on your chances of getting ganked is disingenuous at best. Sorry where did they suggest that? ---
**Author:** ![Grokan\_Eriker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/grokan_eriker/32/388490_2.png) [@Grokan\_Eriker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Grokan_Eriker)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2021, 9:19am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-hisec-ganking-good-for-the-game/326997/218 "2021-09-14T09:19:14Z")
Here, for example, is a suggestion that if you don’t carry big loads, or triple bulk, or have a scout, or whatever, you will be less of a target > [@Is Hisec ganking good for the game?](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-hisec-ganking-good-for-the-game/326997/72): > > Yeah, they can only have a scout or an escort fleet or a web alt or triple bulkheads or not carrying 20bil in cargo, poor them whatever shall they do. Here a suggestion that freighters get ganked for “lack of thought”. No, they get ganked because it’s easy to gank them. > [@Is Hisec ganking good for the game?](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-hisec-ganking-good-for-the-game/326997/81): > > No matter how many times it’s explained in the forum the many ways to counter the risk of being ganked, someone else comes along to complain there is no counter. That’s why freighters get ganked. Lack of thought. Here just a flat out ■■■■■■■ lie that “preparation” makes “hauling extremely safe”. Give me a break, anyone in the hauling channels will tell you the situation these days is terrible. Empty freighters are being ganked for “the lulz” all the time. > [@Is Hisec ganking good for the game?](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-hisec-ganking-good-for-the-game/326997/90): > > Nope. I haul every single day, am not a ganker, and there are definitely counters. In order for gankers to be able to warp at 0, they have to do their preparation. It’s only incompetent freighter pilots who don’t also do their own preparation; and that preparation makes hauling extremely safe. Freighters even auto-pilot their way around highsec and get from A to B in one piece. How risky can it be when on many routes, you can generally do it without even being at the keyboard and you still en… ---
**Author:** ![Scipio\_Artelius](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scipio_artelius/32/408264_2.png) [@Scipio\_Artelius](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scipio_Artelius)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2021, 9:22am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-hisec-ganking-good-for-the-game/326997/219 "2021-09-14T09:22:42Z")
> [@Grokan\_Eriker](#): > > Here just a flat out ■■■■■■■ lie that “preparation” makes “hauling extremely safe”. Preparation does make hauling extremely safe, but the risk of being ganked can never (for almost all ships) be reduced to 0 (that wouldn’t be good for the game). You must be one of the dumb ones that doesn’t prepare - and that’s ok. Easy targets have always existed and will always exist; and those easy targets make things even safer for the well prepared. Care to post your lossmail? ---
**Author:** ![Sasha\_Nemtsov](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sasha_nemtsov/32/393707_2.png) [@Sasha\_Nemtsov](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sasha_Nemtsov)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2021, 9:28am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-hisec-ganking-good-for-the-game/326997/220 "2021-09-14T09:28:57Z")
It’s ok to have a little weep, Grokan; but then, you need to just calm down. Your points - and those of all the other carebears - have been aired and countered to death through these forums many times, and can be succinctly summarised thus: Carebear: It’s not fair! Gankbear: Suck it up! ---
**Author:** ![Daichi\_Yamato](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/daichi_yamato/32/252995_2.png) [@Daichi\_Yamato](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Daichi_Yamato)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2021, 10:22am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-hisec-ganking-good-for-the-game/326997/221 "2021-09-14T10:22:17Z")
> [@Grokan\_Eriker](#): > > People posting here as if ganks only happened on loaded ships with profit intent. You mean the OP that explicitly mentioned risk/reward? > [@Grokan\_Eriker](#): > > People are routinely killed for nothing more than the pleasure of seeing something big (or small) pop. > > If you think this is good for the game, you’re delusional. Why do you think people play violent games? Watching stuff go pop, boom or squish is indeed fun, and it has been an attractive feature of games since space invaders. Get your head out of your arse. > [@Grokan\_Eriker](#): > > Here, for example, is a suggestion that if you don’t carry big loads, or triple bulk, or have a scout, or whatever, you will be **less** of a target Bolded the important part. Less of a target =/= not a target. ---
**Author:** ![Grokan\_Eriker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/grokan_eriker/32/388490_2.png) [@Grokan\_Eriker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Grokan_Eriker)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2021, 11:22am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-hisec-ganking-good-for-the-game/326997/222 "2021-09-14T11:22:47Z")
I hope people like the exercise they get from moving those goalposts all the time. First it’s “Git gud! Tank your ship, fly with escorts, blah blah blah.” Then it’s “Yeah, you still get ganked even with all those things, but it’s good because of the interaction of game systems, blah blah blah.” And finally it’s “Shut up, you’re a carebear anyway!” ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2021, 11:25am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-hisec-ganking-good-for-the-game/326997/223 "2021-09-14T11:25:31Z")
Ok well none of those are “more tank equals less gank chance”, so… You arent actually defending your assertion. > [@Grokan\_Eriker](#): > > moving those goalposts Is exactly what you did in your reply to me. ---
**Author:** ![GerwazyPL777](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gerwazypl777/32/376715_2.png) [@GerwazyPL777](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/GerwazyPL777)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2021, 11:44am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-hisec-ganking-good-for-the-game/326997/224 "2021-09-14T11:44:56Z")
The situation for alone hauler against organised gankers squad is partly true. If they decide that they want to kill particular player, they will do it one way or another and there is no escape from this. However, to effectively gank larger targets for good profit I believe gankers need significant amount of effort such as buying multiple omegas, configuring programs for multi-account movement etc., so I wouldn’t say ganking is easy to that extent for hunters comparing to prey’s capabilities. I personally think mayority - 70%, up to 80% of pvp should be consensual, because it’s fairer for the game. Therefore, I believe ganking is something negatively affecting quality of gameplay. If I wanted to take part in pvp, I would gather my money to wear mediocre-cheap destroyer and try to find someone roaming solo in lowsec or nullsec or join a fleet that is pvp centered instead of being ganked by someone in highsec where I am trying to farm for better items allowing me to do something meaningful outside in the wilderness. The nicest thing for highsec is it’s supposed to be ,spawn area’’ where newbies like me start from, where there is much competition, the lowest available profit in comparison to other areas of space combined with the best grade of security. I really like how EVE Echoes solved this by disabling pvp in highsec at all, but I am not fan of games on phone, so I will stay in EVE anyway. Maybe Echoes have different target player type, idk. ---
**Author:** ![Sasha\_Nemtsov](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sasha_nemtsov/32/393707_2.png) [@Sasha\_Nemtsov](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sasha_Nemtsov)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2021, 12:13pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-hisec-ganking-good-for-the-game/326997/225 "2021-09-14T12:13:19Z")
Hi Grokan. My take on the thread title is that it asks whether a particular type of player-versus-player encounter is good for the game. I’m sure that a gank in Highsec is a player-versus-player encounter. As James 315 had it, ‘Ganking isn’t just good for the game; it _is_ the game!’ EVE is a PvP game, and miners, haulers and their ilk can no more avoid PvP completely than can gankers perform their deeds of heroism without the industry-dependent tools of their trade. Crowd Control Productions strives to hold all this in balance. Despite many recorded nerfs to the activity, gankers continually design and innovate new ways to relieve the carebears of their stuff. On a side note, I wouldn’t tangle with Ramona unless you can make your points clearly and consistently. She’s a veritable _tigress_… Edited to clarify that James said, rather - ‘PvP isn’t _part_ of the game, it _is_ the game.’ May his benign shade have mercy upon me… ---
**Author:** ![Daichi\_Yamato](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/daichi_yamato/32/252995_2.png) [@Daichi\_Yamato](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Daichi_Yamato)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2021, 1:27pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-hisec-ganking-good-for-the-game/326997/226 "2021-09-14T13:27:59Z")
> [@Grokan\_Eriker](#): > > I hope people like the exercise they get from moving those goalposts all the time. You’ve literally quoted people demonstrating that no goalpost was moved. > [@GerwazyPL777](#): > > I really like how EVE Echoes solved this by disabling pvp in highsec at all, And you can see the effect it’s had on the economy in echoes. That’s something we don’t want to happen here. ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2021, 1:47pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-hisec-ganking-good-for-the-game/326997/227 "2021-09-14T13:47:44Z")
> [@Grokan\_Eriker](#): > > People posting here as if ganks only happened on loaded ships with profit intent. Why should we only gank for profit? We aren’t greedy little McScrooge carebears who only seek to enrich ourselves with maximally efficient isk/hr. We derive our in-game satisfaction from defending the Guristas refugees and the Blood disciples, fighting back against the evil crabs who pick on defenseless little bots. If you don’t feel safe hauling in your freighter - maybe you should STOP HAULING. ---
**Author:** ![Drunk\_Moon](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/drunk_moon/32/280794_2.png) [@Drunk\_Moon](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Drunk_Moon)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2021, 1:57pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-hisec-ganking-good-for-the-game/326997/228 "2021-09-14T13:57:00Z")
I dont think that ganking as it is right now is good for the game. I beleive a lot of new players are probably leaving the game after losing all they have or a good portion of what they have. The problem for me is Its to easy to gank worthy ships (Freighters/Orca/Mining T2 ships) in HS with cheap ships like the Cata. CCP should make it harder in some way. I understand the counterparts that ganking is fun for the ganker and that it bring something to do. I dont think that ‘‘blocking’’ ganking is the solution either, it should exist to some extend. ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2021, 2:00pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-hisec-ganking-good-for-the-game/326997/229 "2021-09-14T14:00:31Z")
Ganking is good for the game because that’s the only way you are going to lose your safe Highsec freighter, Orca, or Marauder. Gankers perform a public service by making sure that carebears die. > [@Drunk\_Moon](#): > > new players > [@Drunk\_Moon](#): > > Freighters/Orca/Mining T2 ships 🙄 ---
**Author:** ![Daichi\_Yamato](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/daichi_yamato/32/252995_2.png) [@Daichi\_Yamato](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Daichi_Yamato)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2021, 2:33pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-hisec-ganking-good-for-the-game/326997/230 "2021-09-14T14:33:21Z")
> [@Drunk\_Moon](#): > > I beleive a lot of new players are probably leaving the game after losing all they have or a good portion of what they have. On the contrary. Ganked players were sticking around longer. > [@Drunk\_Moon](#): > > The problem for me is Its to easy to gank worthy ships (Freighters/Orca/Mining T2 ships) in HS with cheap ships like the Cata. CCP should make it harder in some way. Wait, are the new players in the freighters and orcas? Or are they in cheap ships like the catalyst? ---
**Author:** ![Buoytender\_Bob](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/buoytender_bob/32/374377_2.png) [@Buoytender\_Bob](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Buoytender_Bob)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2021, 3:28pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-hisec-ganking-good-for-the-game/326997/231 "2021-09-14T15:28:06Z")
In reagrds to transports, if newer players are worried about losing their ship and a large chunk of their net worth, just follow Scipio`s advice and the majority of the risk is reduced. Transporting a player’s goods to a secondary or even tertiary market hub may reduce the profit by 20% or so, but it’s very low risk and stress. A single ship loss going to or fro from Jita or TTT may far exceed the “paper” losses from selling or buying from a smaller market site, even for a long time. Still worried? Then hire someone to transport it for you. Newer players should be taught that higher profits come with a higher risk, a lesson that tends to have RL applications. Veteran pilots should be well aware of this and be self accountable for choosing the risk they are willing to assume. You don’t have to follow the motto of the SAS to enjoy EVE. 🤔 [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-hisec-ganking-good-for-the-game/326997.md?page=10) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-hisec-ganking-good-for-the-game/326997.md?page=12)