# Is Hisec ganking good for the game? **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [September 9, 2021, 1:51am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-hisec-ganking-good-for-the-game/326997 "2021-09-09T01:51:41Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 21
**Author:** ![Githany\_Red](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/githany_red/32/378551_2.png) [@Githany\_Red](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Githany_Red)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2021, 11:23am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-hisec-ganking-good-for-the-game/326997/431 "2021-09-20T11:23:04Z")
> [@Marvyn\_Nightshade](#): > > I’m glad they kill my competition. > > And personally I don’t object to career high sec gankers (characters with high SP). I just don’t like seeing alphas do it. I think alphas should be barred. thats the trouble now, if you had competition you should do something about it but the war dec’ing mechanics are not great, so people turn to gankers to fix things. ---
**Author:** ![Daichi\_Yamato](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/daichi_yamato/32/252995_2.png) [@Daichi\_Yamato](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Daichi_Yamato)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2021, 11:54am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-hisec-ganking-good-for-the-game/326997/432 "2021-09-20T11:54:41Z")
> [@Gretek\_Moergyn](#): > > I think they gank simply because they enjoy being antisocial cretins. Are the ones playing the game as it’s meant to be played anti-social? Or is it the person who abuses people for playing a way they don’t like? ---
**Author:** ![Tarsas](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tarsas/32/289693_2.png) [@Tarsas](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Tarsas)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2021, 12:56pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-hisec-ganking-good-for-the-game/326997/433 "2021-09-20T12:56:58Z")
> [@Gretek\_Moergyn](#): > > > [@Lord\_Kalus](#): > > > > They don’t gank for the loot. Any loot dropped only funds the next round of ganking. They gank for killboard padding. > > I think they gank simply because they enjoy being antisocial cretins. I hate to be ganked or griefed, but go and play Elite Dangerous on single player mode, boring besides the few NPC pirates wandering. I will grudgingly admit that they keep us non-gankers on our toes. But the “we feast on your tears” bit can be a bit much. ---
**Author:** ![Wadiest\_Yong](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wadiest_yong/32/426921_2.png) [@Wadiest\_Yong](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Wadiest_Yong)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2021, 12:59pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-hisec-ganking-good-for-the-game/326997/434 "2021-09-20T12:59:22Z")
> [@Gretek\_Moergyn](#): > > I think they gank simply because they enjoy being antisocial cretins Oh absolutely. And not only in EvE Online. Man, look at what these people do in football !.. Terrible ! Why don’t they lock these people up in jail !!! That poor guy was just trying to get the ball to the other side, minding his own business as he has every right to, and see what that “antisocial cretin” is doing to him !.. ![deftackle](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/0/c/e/0ce4b5e93c5b1ac34a54870473b10d58b7a4d101.gif) /sarcasm mode off - for those who would misinterpret me LMAO ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2021, 1:06pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-hisec-ganking-good-for-the-game/326997/435 "2021-09-20T13:06:19Z")
> [@Wadiest\_Yong](#): > > /sarcasm mode off Beep boop is this the earth emotion known as super-duper-double sarcasm? Beep Boop ---
**Author:** ![Wadiest\_Yong](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wadiest_yong/32/426921_2.png) [@Wadiest\_Yong](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Wadiest_Yong)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2021, 1:08pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-hisec-ganking-good-for-the-game/326997/436 "2021-09-20T13:08:26Z")
It’s the double whopper “I wonder if I should get into hisec ganking too, this looks like fun”. ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2021, 2:52pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-hisec-ganking-good-for-the-game/326997/437 "2021-09-20T14:52:30Z")
> [@Gerard\_Amatin](#): > > I have just one Omega character that can fly Catalysts, yet this character cannot safely enter high sec because of war decs, so I had to make an Alpha alt to try out ganking. Why would you want to stop that? Excuse me, but why would you be bothered about losing a catalyst to war deckers when you were going to lose it to CONCORD anyway? War decs are not that scary, most of the war deckers are hub and pipe huggers who have no real clue how to hunt. There are exceptions of course. ---
**Author:** ![Gerard\_Amatin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gerard_amatin/32/481361_2.png) [@Gerard\_Amatin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gerard_Amatin)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2021, 3:03pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-hisec-ganking-good-for-the-game/326997/438 "2021-09-20T15:03:11Z")
> [@Dracvlad](#): > > Excuse me, but why would you be bothered about losing a catalyst to war deckers when you were going to lose it to CONCORD anyway? Well the purpose is to gank, not to get my own ship ganked. Getting blown up by CONCORD is a certainty, getting blown up by war deccers is stupidity (has happened to me before) and easily avoided. My alliance is pretty popular among the war dec corps, so I can expect to find them nearby every trade hub, which happens to be where I want to buy a Catalyst and find a gank target. ---
**Author:** ![Aaaarrgg](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aaaarrgg/32/395089_2.png) [@Aaaarrgg](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aaaarrgg)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2021, 6:48pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-hisec-ganking-good-for-the-game/326997/439 "2021-09-20T18:48:18Z")
ok im am confused i am agreeing with drakvlad. i feel dirty ☹ you can easily enter highsec , you just need to move fast and the likely hood of a war deccer camp is somewhere between 0 and something near 0 if you avoid the main hubs. ---
**Author:** ![Aaaarrgg](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aaaarrgg/32/395089_2.png) [@Aaaarrgg](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aaaarrgg)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2021, 6:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-hisec-ganking-good-for-the-game/326997/440 "2021-09-20T18:50:37Z")
> [@Gerard\_Amatin](#): > > My alliance is pretty popular among the war dec corps, so I can expect to find them nearby every trade hub, which happens to be where I want to buy a Catalyst and find a gank target. plan ahead and stock gank ships in your gank systems , or get your alts to bring them to you, maybe even make public courier contracts with collateral. ---
**Author:** ![Gerard\_Amatin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gerard_amatin/32/481361_2.png) [@Gerard\_Amatin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gerard_Amatin)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2021, 6:58pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-hisec-ganking-good-for-the-game/326997/441 "2021-09-20T18:58:02Z")
I know it’s possible like that, but it’s still a lot more trouble than using an Alpha character if you simply wish to try out ganking. And Alpha characters being able to try out low SP playstyles is something I support. ---
**Author:** ![Morrn](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/morrn/32/276075_2.png) [@Morrn](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Morrn)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2021, 7:47pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-hisec-ganking-good-for-the-game/326997/442 "2021-09-20T19:47:56Z")
The ONLY way you will ever stop ganking is to prevent ganking from even being possible. As in CCP programs Eve to not allow it. Which would suck. I dont gank, but I certainly dont want the game to become more and more boring. You will also never stop ganking because the people that ■■■■■ constantly about ganking, are the same players that dont want to fit tank because then they cant maximize cargo size. And that hurts them getting max profit. They dont want to sell outside of Jita, because then they cant sell immediately for max profit. They dont want to pay escort because that cuts into their max profit. They wont want to use low sec shortcuts cause oh noes I might be in danger and that could hurt my max profit. They dont want to pay someone else to haul it even tho they find hauling boring and so autopilot because they would cut into their max profit. The list could go on and on. Someone bitching about 20 ships shouldnt be able to kill 1 ship is retarded. CPP “fixes” that, and the same player will then just ■■■■■ that 40 ships killed their 1 ship. What these people REALLY want, is to be able to auto pilot their max cargo, biggest possible hauler, to the system where they can sell their loot, for maximum isk, immediately, with ZERO chance of being able to lose it. They are just too dishonest to tell you what they REALLY want because they know everyone else will laugh at the absurdity of their request. Instead they try to frame it in such a way as to make THEM appear to be the victims, instead of the ones CAUSING the very issue. ---
**Author:** ![Pinuta\_Naari](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/pinuta_naari/32/289316_2.png) [@Pinuta\_Naari](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Pinuta_Naari)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2021, 8:25pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-hisec-ganking-good-for-the-game/326997/443 "2021-09-20T20:25:18Z")
Ganking is what makes this game so exciting. You never know when you die and lose your expensive haul. It makes every gate jump exciting! ---
**Author:** ![ISD\_Dorrim\_Barstorlode](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/isd_dorrim_barstorlode/32/361083_2.png) [@ISD\_Dorrim\_Barstorlode](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/ISD_Dorrim_Barstorlode)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2021, 8:59pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-hisec-ganking-good-for-the-game/326997/444 "2021-09-20T20:59:06Z")
Removed some off topic posts. ---
**Author:** ![Han\_Zealot](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/han_zealot/32/300893_2.png) [@Han\_Zealot](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Han_Zealot)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2021, 2:06am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-hisec-ganking-good-for-the-game/326997/445 "2021-09-21T02:06:35Z")
Congratz ---
**Author:** ![Marvyn\_Nightshade](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/marvyn_nightshade/32/455724_2.png) [@Marvyn\_Nightshade](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Marvyn_Nightshade)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2021, 5:30am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-hisec-ganking-good-for-the-game/326997/446 "2021-09-21T05:30:50Z")
I think the problem is that most carebears haven’t figured out yet: in a competitive market, it’s impossible to do better than break even. They try to do bigger and bigger volumes, and manage every last bit of isk, picking over their production process with a lice comb. But nothing works. Because there is nothing they are going to do that some other carebear hasn’t figured out to do already. They are running at such a narrow margin that getting ganked once always puts them in the red. By now they’ve subbed 3 months just to make enough ISK to plex once. And now they have to go and buy some plex to replace their freighter. I understand their feelings. However, I must admit I don’t fully understand their thought process… ---
**Author:** ![Qia\_Kare](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/qia_kare/32/279281_2.png) [@Qia\_Kare](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Qia_Kare)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2021, 7:15am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-hisec-ganking-good-for-the-game/326997/447 "2021-09-21T07:15:37Z")
For our part, we carebeared because we wanted to. We mined if we wanted to, built if we wanted to. I can’t say we _wanted_ to explode, per se, but if it happened we didn’t feel like someone ruined all our hard work because it wasn’t work. Mine during wardec? Sure, why not. Mine in lowsec? Sure, why not. Mine in wormholes? Sure, why not. Personally, I did not sell much of anything I got or manufactured. I just gave it to someone else who needed it. I did run sort of a reverse buyback program. I sold things for less than Jita buy value for isk to pay corporate expenses, but the point was to only worry about isk enough to cover our actual expenses. Part of the reason for the difficulty in making a profit may be because a few of us just don’t care if we’re making lots of money. The other half of this would be that we didn’t need a lot of money. There were only 3 or 4 of us, but we were still able to, for a while, hold off attackers with much greater numbers. We owe this capability to our good nature. We’d help people, be nice to them, thank them, and before too long they just wanted us to stay there so they’d defend our stuff and we would make them ships. Merc services can cost quite a bit, so I thought of that as a pretty good deal. There are things of value that are not isk. There’s nothing I can think of that isk can do for me that a friend could not do better. People in Eve are very loyal to and protective of people they like. Once you get to the point you’re trading items and services with each other for steep discounts or free there ain’t no market that’s going to be able to compete with that. ---
**Author:** ![Marvyn\_Nightshade](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/marvyn_nightshade/32/455724_2.png) [@Marvyn\_Nightshade](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Marvyn_Nightshade)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2021, 1:59pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-hisec-ganking-good-for-the-game/326997/448 "2021-09-21T13:59:48Z")
I would say all that stuff starts when you finally realize: you’re not going to buy plex to sub your account. Not in hi sec, anyway. Then just play the game for fun. But some peoples’ reason for playing is for personal validation. The idea that, if you can earn isk and plex your account through honest hard work, that will prove something about you as a person. When their freighter explodes, and they realize they just lost not one, but two or more months worth of plex over a foolish mistake (or because they didn’t know the game’s mechanics allow for this), all that sense of personal validation comes crashing down. Those guys get real mad about it, because they think their plan “should have” worked. In a first world country, it probably would have. But Hi Sec Eve isn’t simulating a first world country. Hi Sec simulates a third world country with a semi-corrupt, apathetic, police force. You can’t win if you don’t make your own rules, and reject the ones that are imposed on you (except out of game rules like no botting.) ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2021, 2:07pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-hisec-ganking-good-for-the-game/326997/449 "2021-09-21T14:07:44Z")
> [@Marvyn\_Nightshade](#): > > Hi Sec Eve isn’t simulating a first world country. Yeah but it does though. What it doesnt simulate is the idealised 1st or 2nd Worlds people think they live in. ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2021, 6:20pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-hisec-ganking-good-for-the-game/326997/450 "2021-09-21T18:20:28Z")
First of all not one of the hisec freighter polits I interacted with were using plex, not one. They were using a high cost ship, which prior to scarcity was over a billion and is now even more expensive and they were getting a low level of income that certainly did not cover the risk. The reason they stopped is that they could not swallow the loses with that level of income. None of them got mad, they were just sad and resigned to giving up. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-hisec-ganking-good-for-the-game/326997.md?page=20) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-hisec-ganking-good-for-the-game/326997.md?page=22)