# Is Hisec ganking good for the game? **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [September 9, 2021, 1:51am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-hisec-ganking-good-for-the-game/326997 "2021-09-09T01:51:41Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 30
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2021, 8:12am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-hisec-ganking-good-for-the-game/326997/611 "2021-09-30T08:12:43Z")
Er the thread isnt “What does Dracvlad think about stuff”, so its entirely possible I wasnt even talking to or about you until you decided to quote and comment on me, so, no, you cant retroactively decide what I was talking about or whom just because youd like an argument. ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2021, 8:19am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-hisec-ganking-good-for-the-game/326997/612 "2021-09-30T08:19:01Z")
It would be great if CCP would allow you to split out courier contracts, but would likely be above their programming ability… And it is a perfectly valid thing to remind people about this issue if they are missing something so important in their this is easy to avoid being ganked type comments. Which are worthless and are often just troll bait imo of course… It took me real effort to get trusted by several hisec industrialists to move their stuff for them without using courier contracts so I could split it up and move it in the most efficient and safe way. Sadly they all stopped playing four years ago… So, if CCP enable the ability to split courier contracts, your deep and meaningful suggestion would be valid, sarc… ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2021, 8:29am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-hisec-ganking-good-for-the-game/326997/613 "2021-09-30T08:29:06Z")
_blinks_ I mean he could just sit and talk to himself and be happy, its not like he listens to anyone else. Im going back to not replying to him because there’s no point, he just makes up what someone says and replies to that. Back on topic: If you want to reduce you chances of getting ganked, there’s a lot of things you can do. The main point is, dont be put off by people saying its not possible, it very much is. The key to it is not getting greedy. Greedy peoole get what they deserve, a bad time. ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2021, 8:52am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-hisec-ganking-good-for-the-game/326997/614 "2021-09-30T08:52:07Z")
> [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > _blinks_ I mean he could just sit and talk to himself and be happy, its not like he listens to anyone else. > > Im going back to not replying to him because there’s no point, he just makes up what someone says and replies to that. Ah, I see that you’ve meet Dracvlad, our resident forum ghost and energy vampire. ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2021, 9:39am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-hisec-ganking-good-for-the-game/326997/615 "2021-09-30T09:39:53Z")
I listen, I just have a different opinion, and that upsets you and others. And I will still post corrections to those throw away lines that are meaningless. What are the lot of things you can do? Just saying it does not make it so. And you think greed is the main issue, but how did you come to that? Do you mean taking high value and high reward contracts that are so obviously bait contracts, I would agree with that by the way, but that is not what makes up most ganks. ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2021, 9:44am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-hisec-ganking-good-for-the-game/326997/616 "2021-09-30T09:44:30Z")
> [@Dracvlad](#): > > I listen, I just have a different opinion Dracvlad, nobody is upset by your opinions. Nobody cares. Learn to tell the difference. 🙃 ![Untitled](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/5/d/9/5d9aad99d82c8224afd19a280673458a9d76350d.png) ![Untitled](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/6/e/9/6e93d9c4695cc005538c3d0f939c5361050b2ef8.png) The fact that you don’t even play the game, and consistently communicate in an incoherent manner, that is what upsets people. That is why so many people have you blocked, or just scroll past every post, or reply with a flippant response. Sometimes they are having a conversation, and then you interrupt everyone by quoting 20 different posts, usually nitpicking over some minor irrelevant comment, and smugly referencing something you claim to have done 7 years ago. **You have a really bad habit of quoting literally everyone who has posted, responding to each sentence with some minor correction or counter-argument, and I hate to be the one to tell you this - but nobody is reading that. Nobody.** Try writing an essay, without quoting anyone. ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2021, 10:09am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-hisec-ganking-good-for-the-game/326997/617 "2021-09-30T10:09:33Z")
That is rather a lot of effort for someone who does not care. It is amusing that you make all this effort to define a different opinion as incoherent. Courier contracts can not be broken into smaller chunks, that is not nitpicking, it is a very key mechanic, and pointing that out gets you all emotional. I suggest that you stop getting all emotional and attacking another person with this sort or rubbish and concentrate on the actual debate. ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2021, 10:11am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-hisec-ganking-good-for-the-game/326997/618 "2021-09-30T10:11:23Z")
You said you are listening… Did you read what I wrote? **You have a really bad habit of quoting literally everyone who has posted, responding to each sentence with some minor correction or counter-argument, and I hate to be the one to tell you this - but nobody is reading that. Nobody.** There’s really nothing else to say to you, until you learn to post appropriately. Try writing an essay, without dividing it up into 10 different posts, all cluttered with excerpts from someone else’s post. It’s good advice, maybe you can learn to communicate more clearly? I doubt it, but I’m giving you constructive feedback. > [@Is Hisec ganking good for the game?](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-hisec-ganking-good-for-the-game/326997/540): > > LOL I have more experience of this than you can possibly imagine. That is just hot air, no substance… Courier contracts, do you even know how they work? I have never said that ganking is not a legitimate playstyle, so much for your strawman! You say there are ways to avoid ganks but you only listed easy to refute and pretty much all that end up with docking up and logging out. I have been ganked once, on an alt in an AF of all things doing a kill an NPC, so I went in to a belt with this… ^^ This is a good example of bad posting. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2021, 10:43am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-hisec-ganking-good-for-the-game/326997/619 "2021-09-30T10:43:31Z")
He is literally a troll and a windup merchant. At least Ive the spine to admit when Im wrong but his farts dont smell because hes perfect. Now hes doing Trolling 101 by claiming emotions invalidate any argument even though the only reason he responds is his own in the first place. I may be a hypocrit but Im not a liar. ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2021, 10:51am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-hisec-ganking-good-for-the-game/326997/620 "2021-09-30T10:51:53Z")
Calm down ganker. There is no need to be so emotional in terms of people who have a different opinion. Do you think that it would be a good thing to be able to break down courier contracts into smaller chunks, yes no and reasons would be appreciated. ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2021, 10:57am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-hisec-ganking-good-for-the-game/326997/621 "2021-09-30T10:57:21Z")
I don’t think he’s a troll. A troll deliberately makes arguments they don’t genuinely believe in. I think Dracvlad is sincere enough, but he thinks he is so smart, that he has failed to develop his communication/social skills. He gets snarky, for no apparent reason, and lets that overshadow any thesis he has. Sure, he can write a lot, but he lacks the ability to focus or engage with others in a constructive manner. He fails to consider what other people are thinking, from their perspective, and consider why they are saying something he disagrees with. That’s the listening component of communication. He is precisely the sort of person a troll is trolling for, because he can be baited into replying endlessly, for years. He literally can’t avoid posting, yet another smug condescending dismissive know-it-all reply, in order to score a rhetorical ‘point’. I would imagine after this many years of posting about a video game he doesn’t even play, Dracvlad finds it psychologically impossible to entertain the notion that he’s been wrong all along. I’m not even sure what his general premise is. Ganking needs a nerf? Ganking is griefing? Highsec needs more rewards, less risk? I couldn’t honestly tell you what exactly he is trying to argue, because his posts generally lack a point. 95% of his writing is just telling someone else they are wrong, without clearly asserting what he thinks. It’s never occurred to him that he might be wrong, or (even if he’s right) that he might be doing a poor job of presenting his overall argument. * * * > [@Dracvlad](#): > > Courier contracts can not be broken into smaller chunks I’m gonna have to disagree with you on this one Dracvlad. Courier contracts can be broken into smaller chunks. The contract must first be cancelled, and subsequently the person making the contract can divide it into smaller chunks. I do it all the time. ---
**Author:** ![Scipio\_Artelius](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scipio_artelius/32/408264_2.png) [@Scipio\_Artelius](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scipio_Artelius)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2021, 11:02am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-hisec-ganking-good-for-the-game/326997/622 "2021-09-30T11:02:33Z")
> [@Aiko\_Danuja](#): > > The contract can be cancelled, and the person making the contract can divide it into smaller contracts. Regardless, the obsession that anything short of 100% safety for solo freighter pilots somehow makes the current situation unbalanced is luckily, not a view held by CCP. If people want to haul solo, there are plenty of options, including freighters. But choices have consequences and the consequence of ignoring good gameplay shouldn’t be rewarded by CCP. Large contracts are easy to haul in near perfect safety, with good preparation and play. That’s the way it should be. Thankfully so far, CCP have agreed (I don’t hold much hope for their continued view on that though). ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2021, 11:05am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-hisec-ganking-good-for-the-game/326997/623 "2021-09-30T11:05:28Z")
> [@Scipio\_Artelius](#): > > Large contracts are easy to haul in near perfect safety, with good preparation and play. Details required or it will be the normal forum hot air. Do try to think about it being a solo hisec hauler without a large army of alts at their command if you can. > [@Aiko\_Danuja](#): > > I’m gonna have to disagree with you on this one Dracvlad. Courier contracts can be broken into smaller chunks. The contract must first be cancelled, and subsequently the person making the contract can divide it into smaller chunks. > > I do it all the time. Cough, that is failing the contract so penalty and no fee. ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2021, 11:07am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-hisec-ganking-good-for-the-game/326997/624 "2021-09-30T11:07:18Z")
> [@Scipio\_Artelius](#): > > not a view held by CCP Yah, I don’t think CCP is going to nerf ganking. If they did, they would pretty much have to introduce some kind of automated PvE ganker, in order to avoid hyperinflation… or, I guess it would be hyperdeflation? The price of Veldspar would just plummet. I could be wrong, I could be permabanned right now (and not even know it), I could quit the game next month because I can’t stand the new patch… but I’m inclined to think that CCP intended for ganking when they developed the game. It’s a game about space piracy, of course ganking is going to be included. I would expect the next significant patch to affect ganking will involve some kind of nerf to the Orca. I would certainly hope so, but I have no real insight into what CCP is planning. ---
**Author:** ![Scipio\_Artelius](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scipio_artelius/32/408264_2.png) [@Scipio\_Artelius](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scipio_Artelius)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2021, 11:08am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-hisec-ganking-good-for-the-game/326997/625 "2021-09-30T11:08:14Z")
> [@Dracvlad](#): > > Details required or it will be the normal forum hot air. Details have been posted in thread after thread after thread over the last several years. Who cares about solo pilots. If they take the risk, they deserve the consequences. When just a little bit of prep reduces the risk and they don’t take it, all thw whining in the World about more options for them, should hopefully forever fall on deaf ears. > [@Dracvlad](#): > > without a large army of alts at their command if you can. Large army? Typical BS. I’m a single player hauler that does it effectively with 2 characters, one of those being the hauler. Get good. ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2021, 11:10am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-hisec-ganking-good-for-the-game/326997/626 "2021-09-30T11:10:32Z")
> [@Scipio\_Artelius](#): > > Who cares about solo pilots. Imagine that. Solo pilots are disadvantaged in a multiplayer game? They should start training social skills! In fact, I think that’s one of the most compelling aspects of EVE, is that you probably need to find a way to work with others. ---
**Author:** ![Scipio\_Artelius](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scipio_artelius/32/408264_2.png) [@Scipio\_Artelius](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scipio_Artelius)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2021, 11:11am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-hisec-ganking-good-for-the-game/326997/627 "2021-09-30T11:11:46Z")
> [@Aiko\_Danuja](#): > > Imagine that. Solo pilots are disadvantaged in a multiplayer game? Surely there should be more options for solo gankers to be able to take down a freighter in highsec? After all, that is even harder than solo freighter piloting. No, but it’s the same stupid logic. ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2021, 11:12am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-hisec-ganking-good-for-the-game/326997/628 "2021-09-30T11:12:55Z")
> [@Scipio\_Artelius](#): > > Surely there should be more options for solo gankers to be able to take down a freighter No objection from me. I think honestly Dracvlad should try ganking freighters, he seems very misinformed about ganking (as most players are). It’s a little more complicated than it sounds. ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2021, 11:13am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-hisec-ganking-good-for-the-game/326997/629 "2021-09-30T11:13:56Z")
The thread is asking “Is Hisec ganking good for the game?” As many hisec players are in fact solo it is an important factor in terms of whether ganking is good or not for the game. That you dismiss solo players says a lot about your dismissal of hisec ganking as being an issue. I knew that you could not detail anything and that you would just get insulting. > [@Scipio\_Artelius](#): > > Large army? Typical BS. > > I’m a single player hauler that does it effectively with 2 characters, one of those being the hauler. > > Get good. I had two accounts, most of the time and I was very good as I never lost anything when hauling to gankers, but I had one massive advantage, I could pick and chose when I hauled things and when gankers were most active was when I was snoring my head off. That was the definition of being good, I was able to wait out the gankers. And my most favourite achievement was taking out 3.5bn worth of P1’s from a lowsec system several jumps into lowsec from doing safety in a nullsec citadel which heavily camped by Purple Helmeted warriors without losing a single ship. ANd you tell me to get good, I was very good. ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2021, 11:14am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-hisec-ganking-good-for-the-game/326997/630 "2021-09-30T11:14:37Z")
> [@Dracvlad](#): > > many hisec players are in fact solo That’s a choice. You are allowed to make bad choices. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-hisec-ganking-good-for-the-game/326997.md?page=29) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-hisec-ganking-good-for-the-game/326997.md?page=31)