# Is Hisec ganking good for the game? **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [September 9, 2021, 1:51am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-hisec-ganking-good-for-the-game/326997 "2021-09-09T01:51:41Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 38
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2021, 9:44am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-hisec-ganking-good-for-the-game/326997/771 "2021-10-01T09:44:07Z")
Bit hard to do if you are in a freighter and have no scout. Do I have to state the obvious…, I guess I do. Player in freighter docks up in previous system, undocks in pod, jumps gate, warps to nearest celestial to bounce, jumps through warps to station gets in freighter long align time to warp to gate, jumps gate find 30 Catalysts on a perch a bumper and combat probes on grid. A lot can happen in a short period of time and moving a freighter is so slow. Why do you think I want a BS MWD added as a fitting option? ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2021, 9:45am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-hisec-ganking-good-for-the-game/326997/772 "2021-10-01T09:45:35Z")
In reply to someone else who raised it above. See this: > [@Max\_Deveron](#): > > uhm the thread is HIGHSEC GANKING dummy Are you his alt? If you feel so strongly about it perhaps you should have replied to him, maybe you are just confused? Maybe you are trolling and want to go off topic, who knows, this is the Eve forum after all. So flagging next then in comes a tame ISD… ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2021, 9:47am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-hisec-ganking-good-for-the-game/326997/773 "2021-10-01T09:47:30Z")
> [@Dracvlad](#): > > Bit hard to do if you are in a freighter and have no scout. It’s not hard at all Dracvlad. Many freighter pilots are able to do it. If you would like me to teach you how to haul, send me 5 billion isk and I will fleet up with you and give you some pointers. However, you will need to play the game in order to get the most out of this offer. Effective scouting is an important skill, and I will be happy to teach you. ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2021, 9:48am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-hisec-ganking-good-for-the-game/326997/774 "2021-10-01T09:48:29Z")
I just detailed the issue. Of course you would choose to ignore it. As for me I only play with two accounts. ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2021, 9:48am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-hisec-ganking-good-for-the-game/326997/775 "2021-10-01T09:48:51Z")
The issue is that a freighter pilot, even a solo pilot, can scout. I will be happy to teach you. ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2021, 9:49am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-hisec-ganking-good-for-the-game/326997/776 "2021-10-01T09:49:12Z")
I play with two accounts or do not play at all. ---
**Author:** ![Etch\_Masuka](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/etch_masuka/32/468743_2.png) [@Etch\_Masuka](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Etch_Masuka)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2021, 9:49am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-hisec-ganking-good-for-the-game/326997/777 "2021-10-01T09:49:44Z")
I’m just a forum lurker who occasionally posts. Just thought you might want to know how you are coming across to someone who is reading the forum to learn. Kinda flattered you think I’m an alt though. Must mean I’m doing the forum right. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2021, 9:49am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-hisec-ganking-good-for-the-game/326997/778 "2021-10-01T09:49:50Z")
That’s fine, you can still scout with 2 accounts. I will only charge you 5 billion isk, even though you are learning on two accounts. Let me know when you are ready to start Scouting 101. ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2021, 9:56am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-hisec-ganking-good-for-the-game/326997/779 "2021-10-01T09:56:46Z")
While there is a lot of misinformation on the forums you can still learn a lot from this forum. Always better to read then try yourself, getting the hint that something can be done often enables you to develop that knowledge. Good luck. > [@Aiko\_Danuja](#): > > Let me know when you are ready to start Scouting 101. So how does that solo character freighter pilot scout the next gate ahead of him? I am all ears. ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2021, 9:57am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-hisec-ganking-good-for-the-game/326997/780 "2021-10-01T09:57:35Z")
> [@Dracvlad](#): > > how does that solo character freighter pilot scout the next gate My fee is 5 billion isk. You can’t expect me to teach you for free. I enjoy teaching new players, but you have been playing longer than me, so I think it’s only fair that you give back a little. ---
**Author:** ![Max\_Deveron](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/max_deveron/32/245870_2.png) [@Max\_Deveron](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Max_Deveron)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2021, 9:58am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-hisec-ganking-good-for-the-game/326997/781 "2021-10-01T09:58:49Z")
That guy i snot my alt, And I am just now catching up to reading this thread tonight. > [@Dracvlad](#): > > You can kill a freighter with a frigate if you have the time to remove its shield, armour and hull. not in HS, thats the point stop talking about anything outside HS for this thread. my simple point. ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2021, 10:00am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-hisec-ganking-good-for-the-game/326997/782 "2021-10-01T10:00:29Z")
You are not teaching me anything, you could teach me how to gank more effectively of course but scouting nah, you have no idea. You can’t even answer a simple question on an example I just gave. > [@Max\_Deveron](#): > > That guy i snot my alt, Another person who mis-types like I do. > [@Max\_Deveron](#): > > not in HS, thats the point stop talking about anything outside HS for this thread. > my simple point. Incorrect, in a war this can be done. With a suspect timer this can be done. If you simply get that wrong why even bother. ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2021, 10:01am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-hisec-ganking-good-for-the-game/326997/783 "2021-10-01T10:01:30Z")
> [@Dracvlad](#): > > You can’t even answer a simple question Dracvlad, I’m happy to teach you how to haul safely in Highsec. I will require that you pay me. It’s entirely reasonable to expect that you would help me in return. ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2021, 10:04am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-hisec-ganking-good-for-the-game/326997/784 "2021-10-01T10:04:21Z")
> [@Dracvlad](#): > > Player in freighter docks up in previous system, undocks in pod, jumps gate, warps to nearest celestial to bounce, jumps through warps to station gets in freighter long align time to warp to gate, jumps gate find 30 Catalysts on a perch a bumper and combat probes on grid. A lot can happen in a short period of time and moving a freighter is so slow. Why do you think I want a BS MWD added as a fitting option? Was the question, obviously too tough for you, because it is tough. One answer would be using intel channels but they are not really good for this as most of the information is not timely. ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2021, 10:06am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-hisec-ganking-good-for-the-game/326997/785 "2021-10-01T10:06:27Z")
Highsec hauling is quite safe, and the rewards adequately match the risk. If people paying for hauling contracts had difficulty obtaining items, they would pay more for their contracts. However, most haulers have no difficulty completing the contract, and they are satisfied with the rate of pay. ---
**Author:** ![Etch\_Masuka](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/etch_masuka/32/468743_2.png) [@Etch\_Masuka](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Etch_Masuka)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2021, 10:08am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-hisec-ganking-good-for-the-game/326997/786 "2021-10-01T10:08:48Z")
Dracvlad. How is pvp in a war “ganking……….” The broad issue in this topic is the impact non-consensual pvp is having on the game. And whether the non-consensual aspect is a problem. If you undock while war dec’ed there is no question of the pvp being non-consensual…….its consensual. So whether a freighter can be taken down during a war dec or in low or in null is about as relevant to high sec ganking as the queens visit to balmoral. This is what I’m trying to highlight. You are completely derailing the thread. Whether you are right or not is immaterial. It’s simple not relevant to the topic at hand. And accusing others of derailing the thread for pointing this out is just absurdity. ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2021, 10:10am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-hisec-ganking-good-for-the-game/326997/787 "2021-10-01T10:10:04Z")
He’s a pedant. ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2021, 10:12am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-hisec-ganking-good-for-the-game/326997/788 "2021-10-01T10:12:00Z")
You accuse me of derailing the thread and you ask this: > [@Etch\_Masuka](#): > > The broad issue in this topic is the impact non-consensual pvp is having on the game. And whether the non-consensual aspect is a problem. If you undock while war dec’ed there is no question of the pvp being non-consensual…….its consensual. Only a mutual war is consensual. You are going off topic by the way. EDIT: Added to this reply so as to not derail this thread further. > [@Etch\_Masuka](#): > > Dracvlad. How is pvp in a war “ganking……….” Ganking is where the other player is taken out by overwhelming force without the ability to fight back. You can gank someone in a war. > [@Etch\_Masuka](#): > > This is what I’m trying to highlight. You are completely derailing the thread. Whether you are right or not is immaterial. It’s simple not relevant to the topic at hand. You are now derailing the thread, just as @Max_Deveron did by restarting something that had finished, and you blamed me for replying to him. Is replying to someone and trying to end that derailing? I tend to work by replying to people if they ask me something, if I think there is a chance that it is asked with a modicum of good faith, even just a little, which is why I sometimes reply to Aiko. > [@Etch\_Masuka](#): > > I have no words. I’m done. I’ve never encountered this level of ignorance before I asked you why you did not chastise Max who started that debate again, and that is where your ignorance lies. I am glad you are done, as you have not added anything and I suspect as I said above that you are in fact setting up for flagging and all that goes with it. Stop derailing the thread, this is a thread where Aiko can sprout nonsense in, we all know that. 😛 EDIT 2: @Jayce_Fitzpatrick at the current moment you are the only person I have fully blocked, so I know you posted and I assume it was an off topic post about me. Just so you know, I read your disgusting attack and baiting of DMC, due to that I have you marked as someone who is the very worst that these forums have to offer, and I remind you that at least Aiko is amusing. ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2021, 10:13am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-hisec-ganking-good-for-the-game/326997/789 "2021-10-01T10:13:19Z")
> [@Dracvlad](#): > > Only a mutual war is consensual. That’s not true. You explicitly consent to a war dec when you agree to own a structure. ---
**Author:** ![Etch\_Masuka](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/etch_masuka/32/468743_2.png) [@Etch\_Masuka](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Etch_Masuka)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2021, 10:14am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-hisec-ganking-good-for-the-game/326997/790 "2021-10-01T10:14:37Z")
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