# Is Hisec ganking good for the game? **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [September 9, 2021, 1:51am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-hisec-ganking-good-for-the-game/326997 "2021-09-09T01:51:41Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 41
**Author:** ![Rroff](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/rroff/32/509119_2.png) [@Rroff](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Rroff)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2021, 3:38am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-hisec-ganking-good-for-the-game/326997/831 "2021-10-02T03:38:48Z")
Bit of an over-reaction on your part. Was simply stating my most expensive ships are capitals so I won’t be undocking them from Jita 4-4 and if you wanted to see them explode you’d have to put some effort in yourself. I’m not sure you understand what repercussions are or the way people can churn alts to protect themselves from such. My comments are simply from the perspective of observing what has happened with several players I tried to support when they first started the game and how by far what motivated most of them to quit after being ganked was that there was little they or anyone could do to help them get back at _the_ person who ganked them. EDIT: It is pretty obvious how much of what I’m saying is current based on the people crying because they got ganked and want protection from it. ---
**Author:** ![Scipio\_Artelius](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scipio_artelius/32/408264_2.png) [@Scipio\_Artelius](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scipio_Artelius)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2021, 4:53am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-hisec-ganking-good-for-the-game/326997/832 "2021-10-02T04:53:33Z")
> [@Rroff](#): > > EDIT: It is pretty obvious how much of what I’m saying is current based on the people crying because they got ganked and want protection from it. This is a sign of a healthy system, just as much as it could be a sign of an unhealthy system. By that, I mean - clearly the game still caters to a wide variety of play styles, many of which will cause a natural tension in the game; and no matter where the balance sits, there will always be people that think it’s wrong and just one more nerf to someone else’s play is needed. Meanwhile, the player base will continue to diminish not because of gankers, but because of less variety. Every change that CCP makes, from removing the CQ to the affect of scarcity on ore availability across the game, do little other than slowly erode the appeal for a wider cross section of the overall gaming community. That includes significantly changing the balance around ganking (because that’s all everyone ever asks for. No one ever proposes a balanced change where it is give and take, it’s always give to the carebears and take from the other side). There has to be a tradeoff. Otherwise, the effect is just a less diverse game, which is exactly what we’ve been seeing over the last few years. ---
**Author:** ![Rroff](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/rroff/32/509119_2.png) [@Rroff](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Rroff)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2021, 4:58am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-hisec-ganking-good-for-the-game/326997/833 "2021-10-02T04:58:49Z")
> [@Scipio\_Artelius](#): > > and no matter where the balance sits, there will always be people that think it’s wrong and just one more nerf to someone else’s play is needed. True that. > [@Scipio\_Artelius](#): > > That includes significantly changing the balance around ganking (because that’s all everyone ever asks for. No one ever proposes a balanced change where it is give and take, it’s always give to the carebears and take from the other side). Personally I’m trying to propose a balanced change - it is difficult because so many areas of the game the trade-offs go to the extreme - hence why the whole bounty system didn’t really work. But I think there should be a cost of entry so to speak for ganking - even if it only gives people who are ganked a shot at a moral victory and/or the glimmer of hope of exacting future revenge _against the people who ganked them_ - by far most of the people I know who quit after being ganked didn’t quit because they got ganked but because they ultimately realised in many cases there was little hope of getting any pay back. Obviously there are those like in this thread who just want to be protected from it and would never lift a finger even if the possibility was there. ---
**Author:** ![Scipio\_Artelius](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scipio_artelius/32/408264_2.png) [@Scipio\_Artelius](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scipio_Artelius)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2021, 5:00am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-hisec-ganking-good-for-the-game/326997/834 "2021-10-02T05:00:17Z")
> [@Rroff](#): > > Personally I’m trying to propose a balanced change You would honestly be the first to do so if you propose something that is balanced in a give and take from both sides. ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2021, 5:03am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-hisec-ganking-good-for-the-game/326997/835 "2021-10-02T05:03:05Z")
> [@Rroff](#): > > I think there should be a cost of entry so to speak for ganking First off, literally nobody cares what you think. Nobody is interested in the opinion of someone who (by their own admission) does not play EVE, and has no intention of ever playing EVE. Who cares? Second off, there is a cost of entry to ganking. I don’t need to explain what that is, because all the sensible people here are well aware of the facts. If you want to know, I suggest you try logging into EVE and maybe play the game. I wouldn’t want to give you any SPOILERS which might detract from your enjoyment of New Eden. ---
**Author:** ![Rroff](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/rroff/32/509119_2.png) [@Rroff](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Rroff)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2021, 5:03am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-hisec-ganking-good-for-the-game/326997/836 "2021-10-02T05:03:58Z")
> [@Aiko\_Danuja](#): > > First off, literally nobody cares what you think. Nobody is interested in the opinion of someone who (by their own admission) does not play EVE, and has no intention of ever playing EVE. Who cares? > > Second off, there is a cost of entry to ganking. I don’t need to explain what that is, because all the sensible people here are well aware of the facts. If you want to know, I suggest you try logging into EVE and maybe play the game. I wouldn’t want to give you any SPOILERS which might detract from your enjoyment of New Eden. At this point you are like a broken record. ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2021, 5:07am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-hisec-ganking-good-for-the-game/326997/837 "2021-10-02T05:07:30Z")
> [@Rroff](#): > > At this point you are like a broken record. Yes, if you continue to criticize a game, and suggest pointless suggestions on how to fix imaginary problems - at some point, people will just ignore you and say nothing else but, “Since you don’t play the game, you really don’t know what you are talking about, and it’s just not interesting or insightful or even remotely accurate.” ---
**Author:** ![Rroff](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/rroff/32/509119_2.png) [@Rroff](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Rroff)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2021, 5:08am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-hisec-ganking-good-for-the-game/326997/838 "2021-10-02T05:08:09Z")
> [@Aiko\_Danuja](#): > > Yes, if you continue to criticize a game, and suggest pointless suggestions on how to fix imaginary problems - at some point, people will just ignore you and say nothing else but, “Since you don’t play the game, you really don’t know what you are talking about, and it’s just not interesting or insightful or even remotely accurate.” Pointless… in your opinion. But I doubt many people actually take much notice of your opinion. ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2021, 5:09am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-hisec-ganking-good-for-the-game/326997/839 "2021-10-02T05:09:32Z")
I don’t care what you think. You don’t even play EVE, and you said you have no intention of ever playing EVE. ---
**Author:** ![Rroff](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/rroff/32/509119_2.png) [@Rroff](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Rroff)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2021, 5:10am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-hisec-ganking-good-for-the-game/326997/840 "2021-10-02T05:10:56Z")
Good for you. ---
**Author:** ![Gix\_Firebrand](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gix_firebrand/32/456949_2.png) [@Gix\_Firebrand](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gix_Firebrand)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2021, 7:08am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-hisec-ganking-good-for-the-game/326997/841 "2021-10-02T07:08:02Z")
I do understand. You simply don’t want to admit your point is moot because the anti-gankers can literally use the same tactic as the gankers to stop them. Nothing is stopping those haulers from making alpha alts to gank the gankers either. They hurt you huh? So badly you still post about a game you don’t even play anymore. Huh. The ultimate kill mail. ---
**Author:** ![Rroff](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/rroff/32/509119_2.png) [@Rroff](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Rroff)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2021, 7:13am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-hisec-ganking-good-for-the-game/326997/842 "2021-10-02T07:13:31Z")
They haven’t hurt me - I’m only thinking of other people here… personally never lost anything to gankers. As I’ve mentioned before I’ve not been shy of doing some ganking of my own though I found it too lacking in challenge to bother doing much. Playing the anti-gank role isn’t a substitute for getting revenge on people who have ganked you though… not sure why people keep suggesting this I can only assume intentionally not getting the point. ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2021, 7:13am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-hisec-ganking-good-for-the-game/326997/843 "2021-10-02T07:13:47Z")
> [@Gix\_Firebrand](#): > > Sorry, that was sarcasm aimed at Drac. He claimed I must be a ganker cause the only gank channels he knew was CODE. But the channels I’m refering to are actually the anti-gank channels. You imagined that, or more accurately extrapolated that from your own rear end. By the way, certain people use the AG channels to look for when selected people are logged in, I will quite often close those channels. > [@Gix\_Firebrand](#): > > I employ the channels for intel purposes. It hath been lucrative. As you said, so using them to work out whether I am playing or not is an egg on the face moment for you. 😛 The intel channel is only useful if the intel is timely and informative, for example what you gave in the channel today was not that useful, though having detailed that 15 Catalysts in space would indicate a gank was likely going to happen soon and it did which you reported on, but you did not detail who was ganking, and even who their suicide tackle was. As I said above it does not enable people to use it apart from docking up and logging. Still if you want to tell everyone that this is one of your tactics and strategies that make you impossible to gank feel free. > [@Gix\_Firebrand](#): > > Nothing is stopping those haulers from making alpha alts to gank the gankers either. So a AG player can perhaps, and a big perhaps, take out one DPS ship, big deal, that does not help at all. That is the quality of your how to avoid ganks, and it is nothing. Most people don’t do AG because it makes little difference unless they can get a group together like Githany Red, which is very impressive or multi-box to the same level as Eskati does which is also very impressive. ---
**Author:** ![Githany\_Red](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/githany_red/32/378551_2.png) [@Githany\_Red](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Githany_Red)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2021, 7:16am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-hisec-ganking-good-for-the-game/326997/844 "2021-10-02T07:16:42Z")
> [@Dracvlad](#): > > You imagined that, or more accurately extrapolated that from your own rear end Not taking side here really but that did make me laugh ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2021, 7:30am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-hisec-ganking-good-for-the-game/326997/845 "2021-10-02T07:30:14Z")
> [@Rroff](#): > > I’d have thought it was pretty clear what comeback meant - it is why when someone ganked someone in highsec they got kill rights These still exist. Many gankers are so low security you can kill them before they do anything but no one does, so what does that tell you. > [@Rroff](#): > > I’m not sure what the rest of your babble is about - Its very clear and Ive said it twice now. You claim to have never been ganked, but wont tell other players how to avoid it. You claim its through experience, but its an experience you also claim to never have had. > [@Rroff](#): > > it is like punching someone then running away then whining if someone suggested you step in the ring with that person and duke it out man to man. In other words “boo hoo I lost I want a mulligan it wasnt fair wheres my space bushido”. You want the game easier for people who hate to compete. Edit: > [@Rroff](#): > > what I’m saying is current based on the people crying because they got ganked The worst part is you cannot understand why thats a bad thing and you coming to their rescue is stupid. ---
**Author:** ![Gix\_Firebrand](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gix_firebrand/32/456949_2.png) [@Gix\_Firebrand](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gix_Firebrand)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2021, 10:20am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-hisec-ganking-good-for-the-game/326997/846 "2021-10-02T10:20:48Z")
LOL. In your opinion. I love how you and Drac are speaking for this “silent majority”. Anti-ganking is getting revenge on the playstyle that engineered their deaths. If they choose not to, thats up to them too. TDLR, hi sec ganking is good for the game. ---
**Author:** ![Gix\_Firebrand](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gix_firebrand/32/456949_2.png) [@Gix\_Firebrand](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gix_Firebrand)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2021, 10:24am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-hisec-ganking-good-for-the-game/326997/847 "2021-10-02T10:24:36Z")
Oh? So saying there is a fleet of 15 catas on grid in a safe within 14 AU of the gate isn’t helpful? LOL. You were logged in tonight. Peeps were regularly updating the gank intel channel. I get why you won’t admit you’re wrong. People detail all the relevant info all the time. People even reported when it was quiet. Again, very possible to avoid le gank, even solo. Whats funny is you can avoid le gank in Uedama very easily. I tested the route myself tonight several times. And I went right thru Uedama. In a hauler. With no tank 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2021, 11:24am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-hisec-ganking-good-for-the-game/326997/848 "2021-10-02T11:24:53Z")
You need to read that again, I said that it was not enough for people to use without scouts. Either you are slow to pick up things or you are deliberately being obtuse and I think the later. There was an hour gap… So what, I have never been successfully ganked in a hauler. ---
**Author:** ![Tarsas](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tarsas/32/289693_2.png) [@Tarsas](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Tarsas)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2021, 3:35pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-hisec-ganking-good-for-the-game/326997/849 "2021-10-02T15:35:56Z")
CCP should do the same thing War Thunder has done, if a player has not logged on and played the game within X timeframe they should not be allowed to post on the official forums. This business of allowing people to post here that have not played recently is ridiculous. There is unofficial forums for people to belly ache there if they want. 😒 ---
**Author:** ![Rroff](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/rroff/32/509119_2.png) [@Rroff](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Rroff)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2021, 12:33am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-hisec-ganking-good-for-the-game/326997/850 "2021-10-03T00:33:06Z")
> [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > These still exist. > > Many gankers are so low security you can kill them before they do anything but no one does, so what does that tell you. Tells me not a lot of people in the game are interested in anti-ganking in general - that doesn’t mean they aren’t interested in getting revenge for the loss of something to a gank. > [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > Its very clear and Ive said it twice now. > > You claim to have never been ganked, but wont tell other players how to avoid it. > > You claim its through experience, but its an experience you also claim to never have had. Stupid logic is stupid - you don’t have to have been ganked to observe and learn from other people’s mistakes and there is probably an element of luck in that I gained the experience to avoid it before I became a target. > [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > You want the game easier for people who hate to compete. If people wanted to compete they wouldn’t be picking on targets who largely are the least likely to be able to fight back! and it is interesting when I make suggestions which means it would balance it for those who might want to compete back people like you start crying. > [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > The worst part is you cannot understand why thats a bad thing and you coming to their rescue is stupid. I’ve already covered that in posts like [Is Hisec ganking good for the game? - #758 by Rroff](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-hisec-ganking-good-for-the-game/326997/758) I’ve never once suggested protecting people from the consequences of their actions or inexperience. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-hisec-ganking-good-for-the-game/326997.md?page=40) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-hisec-ganking-good-for-the-game/326997.md?page=42)