# Is Hisec ganking good for the game? **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [September 9, 2021, 1:51am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-hisec-ganking-good-for-the-game/326997 "2021-09-09T01:51:41Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 46
**Author:** ![Sasha\_Nemtsov](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sasha_nemtsov/32/393707_2.png) [@Sasha\_Nemtsov](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sasha_Nemtsov)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2021, 12:51pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-hisec-ganking-good-for-the-game/326997/933 "2021-10-04T12:51:13Z")
> [@Ridley\_Rohan](#): > > The problem is that you are over-looking the many who are understandably confused. CCP has deemed a place to be “high security” even though it may look like a complete war zone or quickly devolve into one. Yes, Ridley, this is a valid point. There are people who simply don’t think they need to make an effort to query the terms used to describe a product, or to make enquiry into the background of the purveyor of the product. I confess, I really don’t know what to say to such people. I suppose that, if you intend to pay monthly a sum of money to someone, common sense suggests that you evaluate the product first. Perhaps that is the purpose of the Alpha program - the equivalent of the software ‘demo’, which will be limited in some way. As for the long-term players - among the most prolific contributors to these forums - what can we say? If you’ve associated yourself with the game for a decade or more, and _still_ don’t accept its basic design concept (PvP everywhere), you are surely beyond stubborn? ---
**Author:** ![Ridley\_Rohan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ridley_rohan/32/403694_2.png) [@Ridley\_Rohan](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ridley_Rohan)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2021, 1:00pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-hisec-ganking-good-for-the-game/326997/934 "2021-10-04T13:00:22Z")
> [@Sasha\_Nemtsov](#): > > I suppose that, if you intend to pay monthly a sum of money to someone, common sense suggests that you evaluate the product first. There are people who still have not figured out that processed cheese is NOT cheese at all, most “ice cream” in store freezers isn’t ice cream, the Patriot Act is NOT patriotic, or that the police motto “Serve and protect” has nothing to do with anyone middle class or less wealthy. I think you might be expecting a bit too much attention from people paying a monthly 20 bucks for a video game when there is a world full of lies and liars to adapt to. So much mess can be cleared by simply changing a few terms. That’s the route I advocate. So I fail to see how I am stubborn or non-accepting on that point. Its just words. ---
**Author:** ![Pan\_Dora1](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/pan_dora1/32/277067_2.png) [@Pan\_Dora1](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Pan_Dora1)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2021, 1:17pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-hisec-ganking-good-for-the-game/326997/935 "2021-10-04T13:17:11Z")
> [@Sasha\_Nemtsov](#): > > There are people who simply don’t think they need to make an effort to query the terms used to describe a product, or to make enquiry into the background of the purveyor of the product. I confess, I really don’t know what to say to such people. I say they are making excuses for their own mistake in assuming total safety was offered anywhere in space. ---
**Author:** ![Sasha\_Nemtsov](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sasha_nemtsov/32/393707_2.png) [@Sasha\_Nemtsov](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sasha_Nemtsov)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2021, 2:16pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-hisec-ganking-good-for-the-game/326997/936 "2021-10-04T14:16:44Z")
> [@Ridley\_Rohan](#): > > I fail to see how I am stubborn Let me be clear; that comment was a generalisation, and not directed at you, Ridley. I really should watch that - it’s one of my worst faults. ---
**Author:** ![Jayce\_Fitzpatrick](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jayce_fitzpatrick/32/383289_2.png) [@Jayce\_Fitzpatrick](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jayce_Fitzpatrick)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2021, 2:19pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-hisec-ganking-good-for-the-game/326997/937 "2021-10-04T14:19:00Z")
> [@Ridley\_Rohan](#): > > Its just words. Yes, it is indeed just words. Why did we need to rename it again, if it’s just words? ---
**Author:** ![Ridley\_Rohan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ridley_rohan/32/403694_2.png) [@Ridley\_Rohan](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ridley_Rohan)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2021, 2:31pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-hisec-ganking-good-for-the-game/326997/938 "2021-10-04T14:31:23Z")
> [@Jayce\_Fitzpatrick](#): > > Why did we need to rename it again, if it’s just words? Oh, no floozborp. Relax and have a nice cup of dung. Bling all rotten. Don’t scam about bling. Not following? Here is the key: floozborp = sweat dung = warm milk rotten = good bling = it’s or it scam = worry Now I expect you to remember that key for all my posts from now on. Shouldn’t be a problem for you. Remember, words mean whatever I and CCP decide they mean. ---
**Author:** ![Jayce\_Fitzpatrick](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jayce_fitzpatrick/32/383289_2.png) [@Jayce\_Fitzpatrick](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jayce_Fitzpatrick)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2021, 2:32pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-hisec-ganking-good-for-the-game/326997/939 "2021-10-04T14:32:32Z")
So words do matter to you then? ---
**Author:** ![Ridley\_Rohan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ridley_rohan/32/403694_2.png) [@Ridley\_Rohan](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ridley_Rohan)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2021, 2:33pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-hisec-ganking-good-for-the-game/326997/940 "2021-10-04T14:33:26Z")
> [@Pan\_Dora1](#): > > I say they are making excuses for their own mistake in assuming total safety was offered anywhere in space. Yeah. Just because I put the words “peanut free” on my food package does not mean peanut allergy sufferers should relax. Dullards. ---
**Author:** ![Xuxe\_Xu](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xuxe_xu/32/464660_2.png) [@Xuxe\_Xu](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xuxe_Xu)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2021, 2:33pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-hisec-ganking-good-for-the-game/326997/941 "2021-10-04T14:33:33Z")
> [@Ridley\_Rohan](#): > > …people paying a monthly 20 bucks for a video game… Are you paying twenty dollars per month, Ridley? > [@Ridley\_Rohan](#): > > Its a bit like putting a sign over your house that says " Free Apples" and acting shocked that people get mad when you tell them there aren’t any apples and the sign is just a name you made up for funsies. I’d venture to say it might be more there _are_ free apples, but there are also “beware of dog” signs. Have some apples, but if you ignored or maybe even didn’t look for or see the signs, there were also “enter at your own risk” signs all over where you had to come in from, including on the sign-in sheet you had to sign before going through the gate to the road onto this private property. One of the places next to the apple fields has signs on the fences “trespassers will be shot - buckshot or saltrock…take your chances. Bring your own gun .” One has “turf of Gambino family, see? Trespassin’!? Fuggedaboudit.” One has “wormhole. N o lifeguard on duty”. EDIT; _caveat emptor_ and all As the American general George S. Patton said; “foozborp saves glarp” I like your word key, Ridley ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2021, 2:43pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-hisec-ganking-good-for-the-game/326997/942 "2021-10-04T14:43:18Z")
[![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/e/0/8/e08ae11308a77e60bcd23513834998c83690836b.jpeg "I like your funny words magic man.") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1WburVhYHn8) ---
**Author:** ![Pan\_Dora1](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/pan_dora1/32/277067_2.png) [@Pan\_Dora1](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Pan_Dora1)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2021, 2:46pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-hisec-ganking-good-for-the-game/326997/943 "2021-10-04T14:46:51Z")
“high security” =/= “risk free” . Your inability to deal with a couple of words is not a problem for the Devs to solve, try a teacher instead. ---
**Author:** ![Solonius\_Rex](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solonius_rex/32/388172_2.png) [@Solonius\_Rex](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solonius_Rex)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2021, 3:12pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-hisec-ganking-good-for-the-game/326997/944 "2021-10-04T15:12:55Z")
> [@Ridley\_Rohan](#): > > I am sure that some feel entitled. The problem is that you are over-looking the many who are understandably confused. CCP has deemed a place to be “high security” even though it may look like a complete war zone or quickly devolve into one. Its a bit like putting a sign over your house that says " Free Apples" and acting shocked that people get mad when you tell them there aren’t any apples and the sign is just a name you made up for funsies. Its High security, not Perfect security, or Absolute security. If your stock broker tells you that a stock is high risk, does this mean that there is a 100% chance of losing all your money if you invest in it? Is there a single person on this planet that would assume that “High risk” means “100% chance of loss”? Of course not. Why is it that people dont seem to have a problem in understanding what the word “High” means in other aspects, but utterly seem to fail to understand what it means in the context of EVE online? They dont. Whats really happening, is they are in shock at losing their stuff, and want to find something to blame other than themselves. Its easier to cry “Hey, it says high sec, why did i die”, than it is to say “Well, i ■■■■■■ up, didnt do my due diligence, and died. Its my fault”. > [@Ridley\_Rohan](#): > > There are people who still have not figured out that processed cheese is NOT cheese at all, most “ice cream” in store freezers isn’t ice cream, the Patriot Act is NOT patriotic, or that the police motto “Serve and protect” has nothing to do with anyone middle class or less wealthy. I think you might be expecting a bit too much attention from people paying a monthly 20 bucks for a video game when there is a world full of lies and liars to adapt to. Thats because people are lazy, stupid, and apathetic. But i dont have any sympathies for them, if they buy a gallon of oil because the salesman says it cures cancer. > [@Ridley\_Rohan](#): > > So much mess can be cleared by simply changing a few terms. That’s the route I advocate. So I fail to see how I am stubborn or non-accepting on that point. Its just words. Again, its highsec, not Perfectsec or Absolutesafetysec. Its the same difference between Low risk and No risk. Low risk doesnt mean no risk. If someone comes in and sees “Low Risk” and assumes it means “No Risk”, whose fault is it? ---
**Author:** ![Ridley\_Rohan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ridley_rohan/32/403694_2.png) [@Ridley\_Rohan](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ridley_Rohan)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2021, 4:19pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-hisec-ganking-good-for-the-game/326997/945 "2021-10-04T16:19:42Z")
> [@Pan\_Dora1](#): > > Your inability to deal with a couple of words is not a problem for the Devs to solve, try a teacher instead. Where did I say it was “my” problem? Seriously. Why do you say that? Why are you making this personal? I have said repeatedly that this is an issue that other players are having, and its shown by other players repeatedly making complaint threads about the lack of security/ ganking in what is being called “high security space”. Look man. This is really simple. Step 1 - Read. Step 2 - Reply in a sensible manner, considering what you read in step 1. ---
**Author:** ![Jayce\_Fitzpatrick](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jayce_fitzpatrick/32/383289_2.png) [@Jayce\_Fitzpatrick](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jayce_Fitzpatrick)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2021, 4:31pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-hisec-ganking-good-for-the-game/326997/946 "2021-10-04T16:31:23Z")
> [@Ridley\_Rohan](#): > > Where did I say it was “my” problem? > > Seriously. Why do you say that? Why are you making this personal?. I see the “carebear” crowd are still on to their usual antics of trying to steer the discussion in their favor instead of just admitting they were wrong. > [@Ridley\_Rohan](#): > > This is in fact one of the key points where **\>\> I think \<\<** hi-sec ganking is hurting EVE. The game is already confusing naturally for new players, but misnaming swaths of space to set up false expectations sets up a few fails, one of which is the feeling that CCP is shoddy…or worse. Ridley, I think you need to take that glass of dung and relax mate. Seems like these forums are not rotten for you. You scam too much. ---
**Author:** ![Ridley\_Rohan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ridley_rohan/32/403694_2.png) [@Ridley\_Rohan](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ridley_Rohan)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2021, 4:31pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-hisec-ganking-good-for-the-game/326997/947 "2021-10-04T16:31:46Z")
> [@Solonius\_Rex](#): > > Thats because people are lazy, stupid, and apathetic. You can take that tack if you want to. The question is, do you think that’s going to change by beating them over the head with misleading terms? My guess is no. It won’t change. I further guess that beating customers over the head with misleading terms will tend to turn them away. I fail to see how that is good for the game. > [@Solonius\_Rex](#): > > Its High security, not Perfect security, or Absolute security. Yeah. But it definitely does not sound like “utter crap” security does it? Plus, if you need to trade a huge chunk of your mobility and productivity to armor yourself against attack while you wait for “security” to arrive and attack attackers, it does not sound like “security” is really security at all. It sounds like you provided the security yourself while they operate like a brute squad. So even calling it “utter crap” security does not really fit. Its actually worse than that. ---
**Author:** ![Ridley\_Rohan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ridley_rohan/32/403694_2.png) [@Ridley\_Rohan](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ridley_Rohan)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2021, 4:34pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-hisec-ganking-good-for-the-game/326997/948 "2021-10-04T16:34:21Z")
> [@Jayce\_Fitzpatrick](#): > > I see the “carebear” crowd are still on to their usual antics of trying to steer the discussion in their favor instead of just admitting they were wrong. I guess if you can’t follow the talk you can just make up some random accusations and pretend you are contributing? ---
**Author:** ![Jayce\_Fitzpatrick](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jayce_fitzpatrick/32/383289_2.png) [@Jayce\_Fitzpatrick](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jayce_Fitzpatrick)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2021, 4:35pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-hisec-ganking-good-for-the-game/326997/949 "2021-10-04T16:35:43Z")
Yes. It’s always my fault. Honestly, the way you bend and weave your argument. I’ll just admit that no one can follow that line of thought. It’s freaking all over the place. First you say, “Words don’t matter” then you reply in a sarcastic way they indeed do. You write a post that “you think” highsec mislabeling is a serious matter, then in a later post you say “I never said that”. You need to get away from the PC and gather your thoughts. No one can freaking follow them. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2021, 4:42pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-hisec-ganking-good-for-the-game/326997/950 "2021-10-04T16:42:40Z")
I was thinking about committing a crime, but fortunately the police turned up and arrested me before I did it because my country has better than utter crap security. ---
**Author:** ![Sasha\_Nemtsov](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sasha_nemtsov/32/393707_2.png) [@Sasha\_Nemtsov](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sasha_Nemtsov)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2021, 4:49pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-hisec-ganking-good-for-the-game/326997/951 "2021-10-04T16:49:30Z")
> [@Ridley\_Rohan](#): > > the lack of security/ ganking in what is being called “high security space” I’ll bite. There _is_ an issue here about words and meanings, but in order for it to be addressed, you need definitions and a commitment to reasoned discussion. There have been any number of posts detailing the view that ‘high’, as in ‘High-sec’, means nothing more than ‘_increased_ security’. But you won’t make a catchy place-name out of that lot, and I think that it’s those who expect to be completely safe - having swallowed the bait - who will shout the loudest. What I struggle to understand is why, when they’ve (been) woken up to the reality of the presence of bandits in HIghsec, they don’t simply adapt or move on. CCP should be honest about the risks, then leave us to get on with it. O wait - ---
**Author:** ![Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/uriel_the_flame/32/490165_2.png) [@Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Uriel_the_Flame)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2021, 4:54pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-hisec-ganking-good-for-the-game/326997/952 "2021-10-04T16:54:04Z")
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