# Is Hisec ganking good for the game? **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [September 9, 2021, 1:51am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-hisec-ganking-good-for-the-game/326997 "2021-09-09T01:51:41Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 49
**Author:** ![Gix\_Firebrand](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gix_firebrand/32/456949_2.png) [@Gix\_Firebrand](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gix_Firebrand)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2021, 7:06am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-hisec-ganking-good-for-the-game/326997/993 "2021-10-05T07:06:06Z")
Yes. Those are _tactics_ of hi sec ganking. Not different types. Tactics. Re-read my post. Work on your reading comprehension kthx. ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2021, 7:07am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-hisec-ganking-good-for-the-game/326997/994 "2021-10-05T07:07:18Z")
> [@Tradesto](#): > > ganking is too op If something in a game is over-powered, you can tell because everyone starts doing it. If ganking is so easy, why don’t you do it, and get rich quick? ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2021, 7:08am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-hisec-ganking-good-for-the-game/326997/995 "2021-10-05T07:08:22Z")
> [@Tradesto](#): > > How is that fair game play? Because the risk to the hauler is also minimal when they have the same amount of knowledge as the ganker. ---
**Author:** ![Rroff](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/rroff/32/509119_2.png) [@Rroff](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Rroff)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2021, 7:08am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-hisec-ganking-good-for-the-game/326997/996 "2021-10-05T07:08:51Z")
> [@Gix\_Firebrand](#): > > Yes. Those are _tactics_ of hi sec ganking. Not different types. Tactics. > > Re-read my post. Work on your reading comprehension kthx. That doesn’t address the point I was making which is there are different forms of it - my words were specific to that context. Your point is irrelevant to what I was saying. ---
**Author:** ![Gix\_Firebrand](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gix_firebrand/32/456949_2.png) [@Gix\_Firebrand](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gix_Firebrand)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2021, 7:10am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-hisec-ganking-good-for-the-game/326997/997 "2021-10-05T07:10:27Z")
LOL yea it does. There aren’t different types of hi sec ganking. Only different tactics. Jeez. ESL? Or you just bad at reading bud? ---
**Author:** ![Rroff](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/rroff/32/509119_2.png) [@Rroff](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Rroff)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2021, 7:12am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-hisec-ganking-good-for-the-game/326997/998 "2021-10-05T07:12:11Z")
You are _completely_ missing the angle I’m coming from with my posts. ---
**Author:** ![Pan\_Dora1](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/pan_dora1/32/277067_2.png) [@Pan\_Dora1](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Pan_Dora1)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2021, 7:20am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-hisec-ganking-good-for-the-game/326997/999 "2021-10-05T07:20:49Z")
> [@Rroff](#): > > The ganks I’ve done there has been pretty much zero possibility for the target or anyone else to do anything before the victim died. Sorry, but you have an issue with permanence if you think is impossible to happen just because you haven’t seen it yet. > [@Rroff](#): > > People are massively overplaying the efforts of it, some exceptions aside, or they really aren’t that good at it. Or maybe the targets aren’t that good at getting a score with the hankers. ---
**Author:** ![Tradesto](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tradesto/32/430045_2.png) [@Tradesto](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Tradesto)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2021, 7:22am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-hisec-ganking-good-for-the-game/326997/1000 "2021-10-05T07:22:29Z")
Ganking in its current form is overpowered and balanced in favour of the gankers the killboard proves this. To participate in a practice where the attackers gloat over the loot and the demise of another innocent player is not something to be proud of when everything is in your favour. Concord were designed to kill a pilot for criminal actions in hisec. Yet pilots soon figured that getting enough pilots to kill a ship with enough dps makes Concord as a distraction rather than a deterrent. All successful ganks in Uedama prove that Concord do nothing to prevent the loss of expensive freighters to the less than trivial cost to the attackers. My argument is that ganking is imbalanced and needs rebalancing. ---
**Author:** ![Rroff](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/rroff/32/509119_2.png) [@Rroff](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Rroff)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2021, 7:24am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-hisec-ganking-good-for-the-game/326997/1001 "2021-10-05T07:24:02Z")
> [@Pan\_Dora1](#): > > Sorry, but you have an issue with permanence if you think is impossible to happen just because you haven’t seen it yet. Uh I gave it a nod with the pretty much zero rather than absolute zero wording. It would be very very much an edge case. ---
**Author:** ![Lara\_Agnon](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lara_agnon/32/377122_2.png) [@Lara\_Agnon](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lara_Agnon)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2021, 7:24am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-hisec-ganking-good-for-the-game/326997/1002 "2021-10-05T07:24:30Z")
> [@Tradesto](#): > > Ganking in its current form is overpowered and balanced in favour of the gankers the killboard proves this no, it does not prove it. the killboard does not list the thousands of people who passed possible gankers safely ---
**Author:** ![Tradesto](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tradesto/32/430045_2.png) [@Tradesto](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Tradesto)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2021, 7:31am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-hisec-ganking-good-for-the-game/326997/1003 "2021-10-05T07:31:42Z")
The killboard proves that the majority of attacking fleets lost less isk than the innocent pilot and so the loss ratio favours the attackers and the risk to them is less than the innocent pilot. This is not balanced gameplay. ---
**Author:** ![Pan\_Dora1](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/pan_dora1/32/277067_2.png) [@Pan\_Dora1](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Pan_Dora1)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2021, 7:33am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-hisec-ganking-good-for-the-game/326997/1004 "2021-10-05T07:33:15Z")
Well, at this point I’d agree to disagree with you. I respect your opinion while I remain unconvinced there is an issue with ganking. ---
**Author:** ![Gix\_Firebrand](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gix_firebrand/32/456949_2.png) [@Gix\_Firebrand](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gix_Firebrand)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2021, 7:34am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-hisec-ganking-good-for-the-game/326997/1005 "2021-10-05T07:34:15Z")
LOL I am not sir. You simply cannot read. That ain’t my fault. ---
**Author:** ![Wadiest\_Yong](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wadiest_yong/32/426921_2.png) [@Wadiest\_Yong](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Wadiest_Yong)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2021, 7:34am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-hisec-ganking-good-for-the-game/326997/1006 "2021-10-05T07:34:37Z")
One of my friends used to multibox 10 accounts, a scout, a bubbler and 8 bombers, in the days when broadcasting was still allowed. He paid for the 10 accounts with cash, not isk or plex. That was good for the game in the wider sense. When broadcasting was outlawed in EvE he stopped all but two of the accounts first, and a few months later he stopped playing EvE for good. It was part of the first serious drop in PCU back then… it cost ccp income, and me my best sb pilot in the corp. In that same light, perhaps a bit tongue in cheek because it’s about the oh so precious hisec, if there are gankers out there who pay for (most of their) multiple accounts with cash, then that would be good for the game. “Doing something” about it would cost ccp more income, which is not good for the game… Imagine if freighter pilots would pay for multiple accounts with cash - scouts and escorts - to help them get to their destination through known choke points, then that would also be good for the game… ---
**Author:** ![Gix\_Firebrand](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gix_firebrand/32/456949_2.png) [@Gix\_Firebrand](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gix_Firebrand)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2021, 7:35am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-hisec-ganking-good-for-the-game/326997/1007 "2021-10-05T07:35:16Z")
You made no argument, just shared an opinion. There are many tactics they can employ to avoid le gank. ---
**Author:** ![Lara\_Agnon](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lara_agnon/32/377122_2.png) [@Lara\_Agnon](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lara_Agnon)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2021, 7:35am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-hisec-ganking-good-for-the-game/326997/1008 "2021-10-05T07:35:44Z")
> [@Tradesto](#): > > The killboard proves that the majority of attacking fleets lost less isk than the innocent pilot and so the loss ratio favours the attackers and the risk to them is less than the innocent pilot. This is not balanced gameplay. lol, really? it just proves that the gankers do their math. if you would spend the same time learning how to play instead of ranting in forums, you would not have to fear the gankers any more. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2021, 7:36am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-hisec-ganking-good-for-the-game/326997/1009 "2021-10-05T07:36:05Z")
> [@Tradesto](#): > > the attacking fleet lost less isk Yes, thats how you tell it was a victory. > [@Tradesto](#): > > This is not balanced gameplay. It is when the target uses the same knowledge as the gankers, a point you seem eager to ignore. ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2021, 7:36am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-hisec-ganking-good-for-the-game/326997/1010 "2021-10-05T07:36:27Z")
> [@Gix\_Firebrand](#): > > There are many tactics they can employ to avoid le gank. I’m pretty sure everybody I ganked today was AFK. If they weren’t AFK, they could have easily avoided the gank by simply docking their ship while they watched Youtube. I don’t think the game should be balanced to accomodate people who are lazy. ---
**Author:** ![Pan\_Dora1](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/pan_dora1/32/277067_2.png) [@Pan\_Dora1](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Pan_Dora1)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2021, 7:39am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-hisec-ganking-good-for-the-game/326997/1011 "2021-10-05T07:39:11Z")
> [@Tradesto](#): > > The killboard proves that the majority of attacking fleets lost less isk than the innocent pilot and so the loss ratio favours the attackers Let’s apply this “logic” to the other side and propose that haulers, explorers, mission runners shouldn’t earn more ISK than they lose in PvP. ---
**Author:** ![Io\_Koval](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/io_koval/32/282426_2.png) [@Io\_Koval](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Io_Koval)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2021, 7:39am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-hisec-ganking-good-for-the-game/326997/1012 "2021-10-05T07:39:14Z")
On a completely different note, I wish the revamped NPE would at some point include a “mining mission” where an overwhelming hostile force would come in and blow up the new player’s ship. With a typical snarky Aura explanation how capsuleers do the same thing, even in “high security” space. The tutorial would continue and teach D-Scan basics… and all they have to do is mine a rock, warp when things show on D-Scan, wait for those enemies to leave, warp back to the rock, finish mining, mission complete. Seems like a great way to teach a few different skills all at the same time, while also setting expectations. EDIT: Sorry Ramona, I didn’t mean to reply directly to you. Consider me a dumb forum user that hit the wrong “reply” button. ☹ [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-hisec-ganking-good-for-the-game/326997.md?page=48) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-hisec-ganking-good-for-the-game/326997.md?page=50)