# Is Hisec ganking good for the game? **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [September 9, 2021, 1:51am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-hisec-ganking-good-for-the-game/326997 "2021-09-09T01:51:41Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Kybereck](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kybereck/32/501833_2.png) [@Kybereck](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kybereck)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2021, 3:40am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-hisec-ganking-good-for-the-game/326997/82 "2021-09-11T03:40:29Z")
Seems like the only counter is to never undock 🤷‍♂️ ---
**Author:** ![Dark\_Lord\_Trump](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dark_lord_trump/32/411482_2.png) [@Dark\_Lord\_Trump](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dark_Lord_Trump)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2021, 3:41am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-hisec-ganking-good-for-the-game/326997/83 "2021-09-11T03:41:54Z")
2-3x harder is not “slightly” and ganking already takes effort. There’s plenty they can do, it’s just that most of it happens before they run into the catalyst fleet. You also don’t even need to pay much attention with an invulnerability button, just push it before you die and start spamming warp to a station. ---
**Author:** ![Kybereck](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kybereck/32/501833_2.png) [@Kybereck](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kybereck)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2021, 3:53am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-hisec-ganking-good-for-the-game/326997/84 "2021-09-11T03:53:32Z")
Oh no, warp to 0 on me, press f1, then wait. Things that take more effort: - Mining (okay maybe not) - Missioning - Updating your R&D Agents - Any other form of PVP Hell being an f1 monkey in null takes more effort. The only people who say there’s a counter are gankers, which all counters add up to literally “never undock”. Think about it, “Only play for 3 hours in USTZ, Sivala always camped at that time? Guess I’ll never get to Jita through high sec” Look, you’re in high-security space, with concord police, faction police, etc. it’s a freighter that just goes from point a to point b, it shouldn’t be _THIS_ easy to just yeet a freighter. If they’re not paying attention, great they deserve it, if they are, great they get to live unless you try really hard, like feed some catalysts to keep scraming him to cancel warp like you already do. You can do it, I believe in you. ---
**Author:** ![Sasha\_Nemtsov](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sasha_nemtsov/32/393707_2.png) [@Sasha\_Nemtsov](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sasha_Nemtsov)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2021, 5:39am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-hisec-ganking-good-for-the-game/326997/85 "2021-09-11T05:39:24Z")
Hullo May, I read your post with interest. You appear to agree with James 315 (the late, and much lamented), that Miners form the base of EVE’s food chain. ---
**Author:** ![Daichi\_Yamato](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/daichi_yamato/32/252995_2.png) [@Daichi\_Yamato](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Daichi_Yamato)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2021, 8:54am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-hisec-ganking-good-for-the-game/326997/86 "2021-09-11T08:54:23Z")
> [@Kybereck](#): > > Sorry, scouts do nothing when everything is off grid, escorts do nothing when the fight is over in 10 seconds, Neither of these are true. You’ve got local and d-scan. And 10 seconds is sometimes all you need. People are obviously escorting their freighters successfully. So ask yourself, what is your escort doing wrong? > [@Kybereck](#): > > Any freighter can get ganked, empty or full, full tanked or not, there’s no counter. So how do so many freighters get through ok if there is no counter? > [@Kybereck](#): > > If they’re not paying attention, great they deserve it, if they are, great they get to live unless you try really hard, like feed some catalysts to keep scraming him to cancel warp like you already do. If warping to zero and pressing f1 is too low an effort for gankers to be successful then so too is simply paying attention and clicking a mod too low an effort for the freighter to survive. The freighter pilot has options already. The problem is they are too complacent, greedy or lazy to use those options. And that’s why they die. ---
**Author:** ![Scipio\_Artelius](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scipio_artelius/32/408264_2.png) [@Scipio\_Artelius](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scipio_Artelius)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2021, 9:11am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-hisec-ganking-good-for-the-game/326997/87 "2021-09-11T09:11:23Z")
> [@Kybereck](#): > > Oh no, warp to 0 on me, press f1, then wait. Funny how gankers can just magically warp to 0 on anyone. No scouts, no prep, no fleet big enough to actually kill the target, etc. Magic. > [@Kybereck](#): > > Seems like the only counter is to never undock That’s the approach all lazy or stupid freighter pilots should actually take. They’d be much safer to themselves if they did that and just contracted the hauling to pilots that know what they are doing. ---
**Author:** ![Qia\_Kare](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/qia_kare/32/279281_2.png) [@Qia\_Kare](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Qia_Kare)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2021, 9:27am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-hisec-ganking-good-for-the-game/326997/88 "2021-09-11T09:27:41Z")
I know we’ll never get anywhere with this discussion, but I can’t help but get a bemused look on my face every time I read one of these. The person hauling freight sets their risk/reward. The reward for stuffing your freighter is that you get more or higher value cargo wherever you want it to go. If you’re afraid of losing your cargo, you haul less, or you haul more carefully. If there was something wrong with freighters and their being defenseless, then people wouldn’t be using them, but they are. They think the risk of flying defenseless balances with the reward of arriving at the destination with all that expensive cargo. Gankers are reacting to an opportunity the players provide. Players take risks that gankers capitalize on. It’s the same way in other parts of space except perhaps we don’t call people blowing up ships in low or null security space gankers. You decide what risks you want to take and where. If highsec freight is too dangerous an occupation for your risk tolerance, then you don’t take that risk, or you find a way to manage it. Highsec ganking is the only factor working to keep haulers on their toes in highsec. It is the only factor pushing them to gain any measure of skill in how to haul in low or null security space. Even though it is woefully inadequate in that regard, I still think it’s better than nothing. When people stop using freighters because they die too often we can look at how off the game balance is for them. As long as they’re choking up the trade lanes with their huge badonkadonks, though, I think it’s safe to say that everyone likes all that cargo space enough to think they’re somewhere between ‘balanced’ and ‘OP’. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2021, 9:30am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-hisec-ganking-good-for-the-game/326997/89 "2021-09-11T09:30:28Z")
> [@Kybereck](#): > > The only people who say there’s a counter are gankers This is a lie. Im not a ganker and I haul successfully all the time. Maybe you need more practise operating your space machine. ---
**Author:** ![Violet\_Crumble](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/violet_crumble/32/281229_2.png) [@Violet\_Crumble](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Violet_Crumble)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2021, 9:44am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-hisec-ganking-good-for-the-game/326997/90 "2021-09-11T09:44:14Z")
> [@Kybereck](#): > > The only people who say there’s a counter are gankers Nope. I haul every single day, am not a ganker, and there are definitely counters. In order for gankers to be able to warp at 0, they have to do their preparation. It’s only incompetent freighter pilots who don’t also do their own preparation; and that preparation makes hauling extremely safe. Freighters even auto-pilot their way around highsec and get from A to B in one piece. How risky can it be when on many routes, you can generally do it without even being at the keyboard and you still end up where you wanted to go? ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2021, 10:58am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-hisec-ganking-good-for-the-game/326997/91 "2021-09-11T10:58:53Z")
To answer your question it really depends on how it is implemented. For example bumping for hours was so bad for the game and it lost Eve a lot of players. I checked on people who had been scam ganked by this and over 60% had left the game. On the other hand it does create content. I think it has to be something that the player who is the victim is not so damn helpless with. I think having something that they can use on their ship to add variability into the equation would be a good thing and I think the target spectrum lock breaker module for Freighters and other whales would be a good addition for the game. The question in all of this is whether it is a good idea that a solo player in a freighter is just so damn helpless and has to rely on intel channels and luck and nothing else. The gankers will say that this is a bad player, but that is because he can afford only one account perhaps? Overall I think ganking adds to the game, however it has to be balanced well so it is not inevitable and the target feels totally helpless. ---
**Author:** ![Daichi\_Yamato](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/daichi_yamato/32/252995_2.png) [@Daichi\_Yamato](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Daichi_Yamato)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2021, 11:20am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-hisec-ganking-good-for-the-game/326997/92 "2021-09-11T11:20:44Z")
> [@Dracvlad](#): > > but that is because he can afford only one account perhaps? So making solo ganking a freighter possible? ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2021, 11:40am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-hisec-ganking-good-for-the-game/326997/93 "2021-09-11T11:40:37Z")
Nice try at diversion, but a solo ganker can gank a freighter, it surprises me that you appear to suggest otherwise? ---
**Author:** ![Daichi\_Yamato](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/daichi_yamato/32/252995_2.png) [@Daichi\_Yamato](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Daichi_Yamato)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2021, 12:02pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-hisec-ganking-good-for-the-game/326997/94 "2021-09-11T12:02:56Z")
With one account? ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2021, 12:03pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-hisec-ganking-good-for-the-game/326997/95 "2021-09-11T12:03:22Z")
Yes it is possible. ---
**Author:** ![Daichi\_Yamato](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/daichi_yamato/32/252995_2.png) [@Daichi\_Yamato](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Daichi_Yamato)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2021, 12:03pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-hisec-ganking-good-for-the-game/326997/96 "2021-09-11T12:03:47Z")
Go on… ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2021, 12:05pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-hisec-ganking-good-for-the-game/326997/97 "2021-09-11T12:05:07Z")
Seriously, you want me to explain something as basic as this. ---
**Author:** ![Daichi\_Yamato](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/daichi_yamato/32/252995_2.png) [@Daichi\_Yamato](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Daichi_Yamato)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2021, 12:08pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-hisec-ganking-good-for-the-game/326997/98 "2021-09-11T12:08:42Z")
Yep spell it out. ---
**Author:** ![Scipio\_Artelius](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scipio_artelius/32/408264_2.png) [@Scipio\_Artelius](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scipio_Artelius)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2021, 12:28pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-hisec-ganking-good-for-the-game/326997/99 "2021-09-11T12:28:09Z")
Yeah, I’d like to read that also. If it’s possible, then why isn’t it happening? ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2021, 12:38pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-hisec-ganking-good-for-the-game/326997/100 "2021-09-11T12:38:43Z")
I am surprised that two such long term players are saying that you cannot gank a freighter solo. People do it quite often too, and I think that this type of ganking is good fun and balanced too. Anyway we are going off topic so best to stop, they will come down on me for this, but not you two of course. 😜 ---
**Author:** ![Scipio\_Artelius](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scipio_artelius/32/408264_2.png) [@Scipio\_Artelius](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scipio_Artelius)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2021, 12:41pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-hisec-ganking-good-for-the-game/326997/101 "2021-09-11T12:41:11Z")
> [@Dracvlad](#): > > People do it quite often too No need to go off topic (or deflect rather than just answer the question). Just link one killmail. That will prove it. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-hisec-ganking-good-for-the-game/326997.md?page=4) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-hisec-ganking-good-for-the-game/326997.md?page=6)