# Is Hisec ganking good for the game? **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [September 9, 2021, 1:51am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-hisec-ganking-good-for-the-game/326997 "2021-09-09T01:51:41Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 51
**Author:** ![Pan\_Dora1](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/pan_dora1/32/277067_2.png) [@Pan\_Dora1](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Pan_Dora1)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2021, 1:25pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-hisec-ganking-good-for-the-game/326997/1033 "2021-10-05T13:25:06Z")
We have words, numbers and even colours. To not get it someone need to put a lot of effort. ---
**Author:** ![Etch\_Masuka](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/etch_masuka/32/468743_2.png) [@Etch\_Masuka](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Etch_Masuka)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2021, 1:36pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-hisec-ganking-good-for-the-game/326997/1034 "2021-10-05T13:36:33Z")
> [@Sasha\_Nemtsov](#): > > The real problem - I almost fear to tread here - is that you have brought your Real-World consciousness with you into a fantasy-creation in which the usual moral boundaries are suspended. You seem to think that should not be the case, therefore, you _resist_ This. A thousand times this. I posted something in another thread on this not too long ago. This notion “Eve should be real” is just a nonsense. We are actively discussing whether Concord behaves like “real police” while accepting if we blow up our consciousness transfers to a fresh clone. It’s bizarre. Eve is a construct. And that construct has rules and mechanics. It’s not as if how concord behaves isn’t clearly documented all over the internet. You learn that and use the knowledge to benefit you. I don’t understand why this seems to be shoved aside and replaced with “If concord behaved how i want them to behave I wouldn’t have been ganked”. And again……coming back to what I’ve said before…… That is not a reason to change mechanics. Gankers know the rules and mechanics and use them as much as possible to give them an advantage. And believe it or not understanding the rules and mechanics is also the counter play. ---
**Author:** ![Ridley\_Rohan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ridley_rohan/32/403694_2.png) [@Ridley\_Rohan](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ridley_Rohan)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2021, 1:37pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-hisec-ganking-good-for-the-game/326997/1035 "2021-10-05T13:37:25Z")
> [@Etch\_Masuka](#): > > You are either trying to FIX A PROBLEM you think exists Ganking megathreads are a problem in themselves…but they also exist partially because of the confusion created by the misleading term “hi-sec”. Misled and confused players are a problem, both in game and on the forum. Many bitter arguments here could be avoided. ---
**Author:** ![Etch\_Masuka](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/etch_masuka/32/468743_2.png) [@Etch\_Masuka](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Etch_Masuka)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2021, 1:39pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-hisec-ganking-good-for-the-game/326997/1036 "2021-10-05T13:39:05Z")
The term hi-sec is not misleading. It’s the space that has the highest level of security in the game. It does exactly what it says on the tin. The issue isn’t the use of the term hi-sec. It’s your incorrect pre-conceptions and your inability to adjust ---
**Author:** ![Ridley\_Rohan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ridley_rohan/32/403694_2.png) [@Ridley\_Rohan](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ridley_Rohan)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2021, 1:40pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-hisec-ganking-good-for-the-game/326997/1037 "2021-10-05T13:40:37Z")
> [@Etch\_Masuka](#): > > This notion “Eve should be real” is just a nonsense. I never said that. You got that from your own colon. If you want EVE to be completely unreal, how about everything be written in a made up language only CCP understands? No? Oh. I see you want things to be in words you understand. Yeah. That’s my point. ---
**Author:** ![Etch\_Masuka](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/etch_masuka/32/468743_2.png) [@Etch\_Masuka](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Etch_Masuka)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2021, 1:43pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-hisec-ganking-good-for-the-game/326997/1038 "2021-10-05T13:43:01Z")
I’m not the one making these comparisons. You have made them in two threads i have read today and i remember you doing it in other threads previously. I’m not scrolling back……. But it was you that compared gameplay to the police sitting in a car outside the Yakuza right? ---
**Author:** ![Ridley\_Rohan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ridley_rohan/32/403694_2.png) [@Ridley\_Rohan](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ridley_Rohan)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2021, 1:48pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-hisec-ganking-good-for-the-game/326997/1039 "2021-10-05T13:48:16Z")
> [@Etch\_Masuka](#): > > The term hi-sec is not misleading. It’s the space that has the highest level of security in the game. It does exactly what it says on the tin. Odd. Right there you admitted its off. If it meant “highest security” then that’s what it should say. But fact is, this “highest security” is poor security. They let known criminals and pirates in. They allow them to dock. They allow them to set up structures. They allow them to purchase arms. They leave loot there for anyone to pick up rather than put it in asset safety. And 20 million other things that would amount to actual security. But they don’t. Because this is poor level security…somewhere between the Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School guard and Dirty Harry. ---
**Author:** ![Etch\_Masuka](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/etch_masuka/32/468743_2.png) [@Etch\_Masuka](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Etch_Masuka)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2021, 1:51pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-hisec-ganking-good-for-the-game/326997/1040 "2021-10-05T13:51:28Z")
Please point me to any part of Eves documentation that supports the idea that hi-sec means safe space. ---
**Author:** ![Ridley\_Rohan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ridley_rohan/32/403694_2.png) [@Ridley\_Rohan](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ridley_Rohan)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2021, 1:52pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-hisec-ganking-good-for-the-game/326997/1041 "2021-10-05T13:52:05Z")
> [@Etch\_Masuka](#): > > But it was you that compared gameplay to the police sitting in a car outside the Yakuza right? Dude, what do you want? Do you think the games we play are totally unlike the real world or are there similarities? Can you even comprehend for a second that if there were no similarities we would not be able to play at all and would be nothing but confused? If CCP changed all the names of everything tomorrow, everybody would quit. It would be a circus. Words mean things. Inappropriate labels cause confusion. How the hell can you argue against that? ---
**Author:** ![Etch\_Masuka](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/etch_masuka/32/468743_2.png) [@Etch\_Masuka](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Etch_Masuka)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2021, 1:55pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-hisec-ganking-good-for-the-game/326997/1042 "2021-10-05T13:55:00Z")
I want you stop endlessly repeating nonsense across multiple threads. ---
**Author:** ![Ridley\_Rohan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ridley_rohan/32/403694_2.png) [@Ridley\_Rohan](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ridley_Rohan)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2021, 1:55pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-hisec-ganking-good-for-the-game/326997/1043 "2021-10-05T13:55:26Z")
> [@Etch\_Masuka](#): > > Please point me to any part of Eves documentation that supports the idea that hi-sec means safe space. How is that any kind of point? There are loads of resources out there explaining how hi-sec works (along with all the other complex and innumerable special points of this game) and loads of people are confused and frustrated about it all the time. CCP can do whatever the hell random thing it wants. That won’t guarantee the game is good to go. ---
**Author:** ![Sasha\_Nemtsov](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sasha_nemtsov/32/393707_2.png) [@Sasha\_Nemtsov](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sasha_Nemtsov)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2021, 1:55pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-hisec-ganking-good-for-the-game/326997/1044 "2021-10-05T13:55:54Z")
> [@Etch\_Masuka](#): > > Gankers know the rules and mechanics and use them as much as possible to give them an advantage. This is important to understand. Ganking is neither particularly easy, nor very difficult. The would-be ganker matches his/her interests and enthusiasms to the activities offered within the game, and finds a fit. It is still necessary to assess a job, as in ‘Can I gank it?’ There used to be a spreadsheet for gankers offering just this information. I was a poorly skilled ganker, so had frequent recourse to its assistance! Gankers have to learn the game mechanics peculiar to their craft - just like any EVE player. The more successful gankers also have intuitive (or professional - it’s hard to tell) understanding of the psychology of certain types of player. They study or observe behaviours, and capitalise on them. Githany Red attempts the same level of scrutiny in her activities - for the other side. A useful post, Etch. ---
**Author:** ![Ridley\_Rohan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ridley_rohan/32/403694_2.png) [@Ridley\_Rohan](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ridley_Rohan)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2021, 1:57pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-hisec-ganking-good-for-the-game/326997/1045 "2021-10-05T13:57:25Z")
> [@Etch\_Masuka](#): > > I want you stop endlessly repeating nonsense across multiple threads. Your failure to grasp basic concepts is not my fault and it does not make basic concepts nonsense. Mislabeling causes confusion. I don’t understand how you cannot understand that. ---
**Author:** ![Ridley\_Rohan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ridley_rohan/32/403694_2.png) [@Ridley\_Rohan](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ridley_Rohan)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2021, 1:58pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-hisec-ganking-good-for-the-game/326997/1046 "2021-10-05T13:58:27Z")
> [@Sasha\_Nemtsov](#): > > Ganking is neither particularly easy, nor very difficult. Yep. It mostly depends on the type of ganking being done. ---
**Author:** ![Gerard\_Amatin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gerard_amatin/32/481361_2.png) [@Gerard\_Amatin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gerard_Amatin)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2021, 1:59pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-hisec-ganking-good-for-the-game/326997/1047 "2021-10-05T13:59:24Z")
> [@Ridley\_Rohan](#): > > Your failure to grasp basic concepts is not my fault The irony. Ridley, ‘high security space’ means it’s high security space, _compared to all the other space in EVE as this is a dangerous PvP game_. ---
**Author:** ![Ridley\_Rohan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ridley_rohan/32/403694_2.png) [@Ridley\_Rohan](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ridley_Rohan)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2021, 2:01pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-hisec-ganking-good-for-the-game/326997/1048 "2021-10-05T14:01:53Z")
> [@Gerard\_Amatin](#): > > Ridley, ‘high security space’ means it’s high security space, _compared to all the other space in EVE as this is a dangerous PvP game_. The word you are searching for is “highest” not high. Even maximum would cover it, but not high. Look, I think it needs renamed. I have stated my case. Those who think its fine have stated theirs. We can just agree to disagree. Obviously no one is budging. ---
**Author:** ![Etch\_Masuka](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/etch_masuka/32/468743_2.png) [@Etch\_Masuka](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Etch_Masuka)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2021, 2:03pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-hisec-ganking-good-for-the-game/326997/1049 "2021-10-05T14:03:02Z")
I completely agree the mislabelling causes confusion. However hi-sec is no mislabelled. It functions exactly how CCP says it functions. It functions exactly how the internet says it functions. It takes about 2 minutes of effort to find out you are not “safe” in hi sec. As I’ve said before mislabelling is not the issue. The issue is you having an incorrect pre-conception about what you think hi-sec should be and being totally incapable of accepting the reality of it. ---
**Author:** ![Gerard\_Amatin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gerard_amatin/32/481361_2.png) [@Gerard\_Amatin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gerard_Amatin)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2021, 2:03pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-hisec-ganking-good-for-the-game/326997/1050 "2021-10-05T14:03:27Z")
> [@Ridley\_Rohan](#): > > The word you are searching for is “highest” not high. Even maximum would cover it, but not high. ‘Highest’ is a relative word, but ‘high’ is also relative. No need to change it. ---
**Author:** ![Ridley\_Rohan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ridley_rohan/32/403694_2.png) [@Ridley\_Rohan](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ridley_Rohan)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2021, 2:14pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-hisec-ganking-good-for-the-game/326997/1051 "2021-10-05T14:14:18Z")
> [@Sasha\_Nemtsov](#): > > Please devise a memorable and catchy word or phrase to replace ‘Highsec’ - and deliver it to the sub-forum devoted to such innovations. I have. In a post somewhere on this forum. I called it Concord Response Time, or CRT. All Empire space would simply have a CRT level. Thus 0.5 sec space would be 19 CRT, or CRT 19. No confusion. No need to consult a table. Low security space could be GGR for Gate Gun Response. I have no idea what the numbers currently mean though or what difference it makes if 0.4 or 0.3 so I can’t come up with any numbers for it. NCR space could be Null. No Concord Response. None of that was hard. Edit: The original ideas I posted as Renly Rohan here: [Closed - #111 by Renly\_Rohan](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/closed/314817/111) ---
**Author:** ![Ridley\_Rohan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ridley_rohan/32/403694_2.png) [@Ridley\_Rohan](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ridley_Rohan)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2021, 2:16pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-hisec-ganking-good-for-the-game/326997/1052 "2021-10-05T14:16:49Z")
> [@Etch\_Masuka](#): > > As I’ve said before mislabelling is not the issue. I said it is “AN” issue and never “THE” issue. > [@Etch\_Masuka](#): > > The issue is you having an incorrect pre-conception about what you think hi-sec should be and being totally incapable of accepting the reality of it. And that is false and another thing you are pulling out of your colon despite all the things I say otherwise. Loads of people post their confusion regularly. I have no idea why you have to come after me for coming up with ideas to remedy that, or for pointing out that people are so often confused and frustrated for being told one thing, but finding out its another. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-hisec-ganking-good-for-the-game/326997.md?page=50) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-hisec-ganking-good-for-the-game/326997.md?page=52)