# Is Hisec ganking good for the game? **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [September 9, 2021, 1:51am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-hisec-ganking-good-for-the-game/326997 "2021-09-09T01:51:41Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 52
**Author:** ![Etch\_Masuka](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/etch_masuka/32/468743_2.png) [@Etch\_Masuka](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Etch_Masuka)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2021, 2:23pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-hisec-ganking-good-for-the-game/326997/1053 "2021-10-05T14:23:44Z")
News flash. Just because you say things ………it doesn’t make them true. Im not coming after you. I’m just responding to the ranting. All I did was commenting on what you were presenting as a problem being one of Eves greatest strengths and you jumped down my throat telling me you didn’t say it was a problem………I asked if there wasn’t a problem why were you posting ……… and now we are here. So forgive me confusion………. Is there a problem? Or isn’t there? ---
**Author:** ![Ridley\_Rohan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ridley_rohan/32/403694_2.png) [@Ridley\_Rohan](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ridley_Rohan)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2021, 2:26pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-hisec-ganking-good-for-the-game/326997/1054 "2021-10-05T14:26:07Z")
> [@Etch\_Masuka](#): > > So forgive me confusion………. Is there a problem? Or isn’t there? In my mind according to what I see…yes. In your mind according to what you see…no. Finished. Done. Have a nice day. ---
**Author:** ![Etch\_Masuka](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/etch_masuka/32/468743_2.png) [@Etch\_Masuka](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Etch_Masuka)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2021, 2:32pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-hisec-ganking-good-for-the-game/326997/1055 "2021-10-05T14:32:28Z")
> [@Ridley\_Rohan](#): > > Its amazing the crazy things some of you shove into my posts that aren’t there. I never said anything was a problem (here in this thread about the topic, recently) except that “hi-sec” is mislabeled. The part you quoted was simply a description of the situation in high sec, which explains why its mislabeled Well thats a bit contradictory. ---
**Author:** ![Ridley\_Rohan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ridley_rohan/32/403694_2.png) [@Ridley\_Rohan](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ridley_Rohan)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2021, 2:33pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-hisec-ganking-good-for-the-game/326997/1056 "2021-10-05T14:33:30Z")
> [@Etch\_Masuka](#): > > Well thats a bit contradictory. If you read the first half…yes. If you read the whole thing…no. ---
**Author:** ![Sasha\_Nemtsov](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sasha_nemtsov/32/393707_2.png) [@Sasha\_Nemtsov](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sasha_Nemtsov)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2021, 2:36pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-hisec-ganking-good-for-the-game/326997/1057 "2021-10-05T14:36:53Z")
> [@Ridley\_Rohan](#): > > another thing you are pulling out of your colon Technically speaking, matter is expelled via the _rectum_ or _rectal sphincter_, rather than extracted _ex colon_ (out of the large intestine). For example, Ridley, you may have said something which appeared to originate in the _colon_, but which found its way back into the _alimentary canal_ and was finally excreted via the _oral orifice_. For someone so hot on precise words, you exhibit a tendency to play fast and loose with anatomical terms. I will not stand for it, Ridley! 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Etch\_Masuka](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/etch_masuka/32/468743_2.png) [@Etch\_Masuka](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Etch_Masuka)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2021, 2:37pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-hisec-ganking-good-for-the-game/326997/1058 "2021-10-05T14:37:05Z")
See you in CRT19 on my way to GGR ---
**Author:** ![Ridley\_Rohan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ridley_rohan/32/403694_2.png) [@Ridley\_Rohan](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ridley_Rohan)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2021, 2:37pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-hisec-ganking-good-for-the-game/326997/1059 "2021-10-05T14:37:52Z")
Not if I see you first! 🤣 ---
**Author:** ![Gerard\_Amatin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gerard_amatin/32/481361_2.png) [@Gerard\_Amatin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gerard_Amatin)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2021, 2:38pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-hisec-ganking-good-for-the-game/326997/1060 "2021-10-05T14:38:54Z")
> [@Ridley\_Rohan](#): > > I have. In a post somewhere on this forum. I called it Concord Response Time, or CRT. All Empire space would simply have a CRT level. Thus 0.5 sec space would be 19 CRT, or CRT 19. No confusion. No need to consult a table. Newbies: _“What’s CTR?” “What does 19 mean in CRT?” “What is CONCORD?”_ Yes, this will solve all confusion. ---
**Author:** ![Etch\_Masuka](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/etch_masuka/32/468743_2.png) [@Etch\_Masuka](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Etch_Masuka)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2021, 2:40pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-hisec-ganking-good-for-the-game/326997/1061 "2021-10-05T14:40:05Z")
Or even worse………. What’s safest CRT or GGR? ---
**Author:** ![Gerard\_Amatin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gerard_amatin/32/481361_2.png) [@Gerard\_Amatin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gerard_Amatin)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2021, 2:40pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-hisec-ganking-good-for-the-game/326997/1062 "2021-10-05T14:40:30Z")
Ugh, I’m confused already. At least ‘high’, ‘low’ and ‘null’ are existing words that require no extra explanation, just explanation to what it means in EVE context. ---
**Author:** ![Ridley\_Rohan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ridley_rohan/32/403694_2.png) [@Ridley\_Rohan](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ridley_Rohan)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2021, 2:40pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-hisec-ganking-good-for-the-game/326997/1063 "2021-10-05T14:40:49Z")
> [@Sasha\_Nemtsov](#): > > Technically speaking, matter is expelled via the _rectum_ or _rectal sphincter_, rather than extracted _ex colon_ (out of the large intestine). Expelled =/= extracted. Thus I said you extracted/ pulled it out yourself. I never said you expelled it (then scooped it or something). > [@Sasha\_Nemtsov](#): > > For someone so hot on precise words, you exhibit a tendency to play fast and loose with anatomical terms. Or do I? ---
**Author:** ![Etch\_Masuka](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/etch_masuka/32/468743_2.png) [@Etch\_Masuka](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Etch_Masuka)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2021, 2:42pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-hisec-ganking-good-for-the-game/326997/1064 "2021-10-05T14:42:15Z")
> [@Ridley\_Rohan](#): > > Expelled =/= extracted. Hi-sec =/= safe See what i did there? ---
**Author:** ![Ridley\_Rohan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ridley_rohan/32/403694_2.png) [@Ridley\_Rohan](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ridley_Rohan)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2021, 2:45pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-hisec-ganking-good-for-the-game/326997/1065 "2021-10-05T14:45:34Z")
> [@Gerard\_Amatin](#): > > Newbies: > _“What’s CTR?” > “What does 19 mean in CRT?” > “What is CONCORD?”_ > > Yes, this will solve all confusion. If they need to ask what Concord is they are starting at the beginning. I would much rather explain that Concord will destroy the offending ship in 19 seconds rather than have them ask me why they can get ganked at all in high security space, AFTER the false idea that they are secure in hi-sec has poisoned their brain. But maybe that’s just me. But, you know, I would really like to just drop it. Can we drop it? ---
**Author:** ![Ridley\_Rohan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ridley_rohan/32/403694_2.png) [@Ridley\_Rohan](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ridley_Rohan)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2021, 2:47pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-hisec-ganking-good-for-the-game/326997/1066 "2021-10-05T14:47:23Z")
> [@Etch\_Masuka](#): > > Hi-sec =/= safe > > See what i did there? I do. First you said something folks will misinterpret. Then you told them their misinterpretation was false. I know you can’t see the stumbling block in that, or wont. So, can we drop it now? ---
**Author:** ![Gerard\_Amatin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gerard_amatin/32/481361_2.png) [@Gerard\_Amatin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gerard_Amatin)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2021, 2:49pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-hisec-ganking-good-for-the-game/326997/1067 "2021-10-05T14:49:30Z")
> [@Ridley\_Rohan](#): > > I would much rather explain that Concord will destroy the offending ship in 19 seconds rather than have them ask me why they can get ganked at all in high security space, AFTER the false idea that they are secure in hi-sec has poisoned their brain. But maybe that’s just me. > > But, you know, I would really like to just drop it. Can we drop it? I think it’s more important for newbies to know that CONCORD will punish criminals. That it takes exactly 19 seconds in 0.5 systems is only relevant when you’re trying to optimise your hauling fit or do ganking/anti-ganking. Irrelevant information for newbies that already get an overload of information in their first days. And the false idea that high security space is 100% secure won’t be in their mind for long. Most people learn pretty fast. And if they don’t learn after the first death they might after the second, or third. But sure, I can drop it if you do. ---
**Author:** ![Etch\_Masuka](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/etch_masuka/32/468743_2.png) [@Etch\_Masuka](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Etch_Masuka)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2021, 2:53pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-hisec-ganking-good-for-the-game/326997/1068 "2021-10-05T14:53:50Z")
> [@Ridley\_Rohan](#): > > AFTER the false idea that they are secure in hi-sec has poisoned their brain. But maybe that’s just me. Believe it or not. It’s not difficult for people to grasp. I explain it a few times a week to newbies. Nobody ever has a problem understanding it. ---
**Author:** ![Sasha\_Nemtsov](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sasha_nemtsov/32/393707_2.png) [@Sasha\_Nemtsov](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sasha_Nemtsov)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2021, 3:08pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-hisec-ganking-good-for-the-game/326997/1069 "2021-10-05T15:08:39Z")
> [@Ridley\_Rohan](#): > > Expelled =/= extracted. _sigh…_ You may only _Expel_ matter in a direction _away from_ yourself. You may only _extract_ matter in a direction _away from_ its origin. The ‘matter’ under discussion originates in the large intestine - but can not be expelled directly from that location (don’t try it…), although it can be extracted, usually by a surgeon or pathologist. The people to whom you addressed your remarks haven’t indicated their membership of either of these professions, so you were not only inaccurate, Ridley, you were _presumptuous_! Do not lock horns with me on matters of anatomy or basic physiology. Again, you use words passionately, but are negligent in applying them correctly. ---
**Author:** ![Ridley\_Rohan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ridley_rohan/32/403694_2.png) [@Ridley\_Rohan](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ridley_Rohan)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2021, 3:09pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-hisec-ganking-good-for-the-game/326997/1070 "2021-10-05T15:09:35Z")
> [@Etch\_Masuka](#): > > Nobody ever has a problem understanding it. I have a son. I often ask him if he understands. He usually says yes. We often find out later that he didn’t actually. And that has been my experience with most people at similar percentages. It has also been my experience that the less you confuse people up front the better they will grasp in the end. People tend to lose bits of information over time, and then hit a point where they remember being told something about something, but cannot remember if they were told a name was correct or if it was pointed out it was incorrect. The naming of Iceland and Greenland is an example. School kids are told the simple reasons for the names, but ask an adult the reasoning and I bet a fair number will tell it backwards. ---
**Author:** ![Etch\_Masuka](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/etch_masuka/32/468743_2.png) [@Etch\_Masuka](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Etch_Masuka)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2021, 3:13pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-hisec-ganking-good-for-the-game/326997/1071 "2021-10-05T15:13:34Z")
Newbie: So i should travel across to the HQ Me: Yes its worth doing when you get a chance Newbie: Ok ill load up a ship an set autopilot Me: Don’t autopilot. You can still be attacked in hi-sec and autopilot drops you away from the gate Newbie: Oh. I did not know that. Me: Yeah its a thing high sec is not safe space. Newbie: Thanks for letting me know. See…………simples. I have variations of that conversation constantly. To start with they don’t need overloaded with response times. They just need to know its not safe. That’s an easy concept to grasp. ITS ONE FACT. ---
**Author:** ![Ridley\_Rohan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ridley_rohan/32/403694_2.png) [@Ridley\_Rohan](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ridley_Rohan)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2021, 3:14pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-hisec-ganking-good-for-the-game/326997/1072 "2021-10-05T15:14:43Z")
> [@Sasha\_Nemtsov](#): > > The people to whom you addressed your remarks haven’t indicated their membership of either of these professions, so you were not only inaccurate, Ridley, you were _presumptuous_! Sarcasm really is good for the soul. You should investigate it. It will have the added benefit of helping you avoid making a fool of yourself trying to use it as a foundation for a logic attack. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-hisec-ganking-good-for-the-game/326997.md?page=51) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-hisec-ganking-good-for-the-game/326997.md?page=53)