# Is Hisec ganking good for the game? **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [September 9, 2021, 1:51am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-hisec-ganking-good-for-the-game/326997 "2021-09-09T01:51:41Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 58
**Author:** ![Xucca](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xucca/32/373499_2.png) [@Xucca](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xucca)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2021, 12:52am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-hisec-ganking-good-for-the-game/326997/1174 "2021-10-06T00:52:53Z")
What is wrong with a surprise factor? A real one, undetected, under the radar? There is no counter against it, just poorly executed ganks. ---
**Author:** ![Gix\_Firebrand](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gix_firebrand/32/456949_2.png) [@Gix\_Firebrand](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gix_Firebrand)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2021, 12:53am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-hisec-ganking-good-for-the-game/326997/1175 "2021-10-06T00:53:18Z")
> [@Ridley\_Rohan](#): > > At this point I think I might have a better conversation with a box of rocks. I just gave a detailed explanation of how I wasn’t doing that in this case, and you come back with “its all you do”. Bye. Bro it ain’t my fault you’re wrong and you have bad ideas. If you want a reality sim, just follow my instructions 😃 > [@Rroff](#): > > Fitting a tank helps… but only so far - if you run a route regularly you might have an idea as to the most common likely gank encounters and how much damage they can do but again that is just one piece of the whole story of ganking. > > When we were ganking PVE ships we’d either just go for overkill or EFT the likely fit and character stats or a bit of both and no amount of tank would save you. Hm. Its almost like theres all these other tools to avoid le gank? In fact, there’s literally a way thru Uedama which won’t get you ganked. Its amazing. ---
**Author:** ![Gix\_Firebrand](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gix_firebrand/32/456949_2.png) [@Gix\_Firebrand](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gix_Firebrand)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2021, 12:59am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-hisec-ganking-good-for-the-game/326997/1176 "2021-10-06T00:59:55Z")
> [@Rroff](#): > > I have never once claimed low, WH and null to be ganking. All my comments have been about high sec and the balance there. After 6 years of playing I do kind of know the difference. Again you’ve snippeted some comment I’ve made and put your own meaning on it. LOL, yes, yes you have. Its ok dude. I know it gets confusing, esp since you don’t play anymore. > [@Xucca](#): > > What is wrong with a surprise factor? A real one, undetected, under the radar? > > There is no counter against it, just poorly executed ganks. There are literally a billion counters listed in this thread. Choose one or several. Kthx. For example, I can get thru Uedama without seeing a single ganker cept at the exit gate as I leave safely. How is this possible? I’ll leave you to figure it out 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Rroff](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/rroff/32/509119_2.png) [@Rroff](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Rroff)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2021, 1:01am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-hisec-ganking-good-for-the-game/326997/1177 "2021-10-06T01:01:39Z")
> [@Gix\_Firebrand](#): > > It is happening on an extremely small scale if that as solo ganking in HS isn’t really feasible at all anymore. Which you’d know if you still played. > > Hell, the venture changes alone make it almost impossible to gank them solo unless they are dumb or AFK. > > Most gankers realize they need help and then fleet up to get more phat lewts and targets. > > Again, there is not a broad spectrum of ganking. There are is a large spectrum of hi sec ganking _tactics_. > > Hi Sec Ganking = Killed in high security 0.5-1.0 space > Low/Null/WH = PvP > > Thankee for coming to my TED talk. I don’t know how you can misunderstand what I’m saying so badly. Solo ganking is still perfectly feasible it just depends what your equation is - not everyone does it for the loot, some do it to griefing, some for the killboard, etc. What about Ventures has changed? the EHP increase is fairly small and doesn’t look like it would change the equation much - it was always the case that they were pretty easy to kill solo if poorly fit/piloted but realistically would take 2 if they were competently piloted. ---
**Author:** ![Xucca](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xucca/32/373499_2.png) [@Xucca](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xucca)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2021, 1:03am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-hisec-ganking-good-for-the-game/326997/1178 "2021-10-06T01:03:10Z")
> [@Gix\_Firebrand](#): > > There are literally a billion counters listed in this thread. Choose one or several. Kthx. For example, I can get thru Uedama without seeing a single ganker cept at the exit gate as I leave safely. How is this possible? I’ll leave you to figure it out 😃 No. A gank is unstoppable. You cannot count no gank as such. It is not possible to explain a gank that never happens. Once locked and fired upon, there is NOTHING to counter it. Only poorly executed ganks fail. That billion is reduced to zero when the gank is under effect. Don’t insist. ---
**Author:** ![Rroff](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/rroff/32/509119_2.png) [@Rroff](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Rroff)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2021, 1:04am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-hisec-ganking-good-for-the-game/326997/1179 "2021-10-06T01:04:02Z")
> [@Gix\_Firebrand](#): > > Hm. Its almost like theres all these other tools to avoid le gank? In fact, there’s literally a way thru Uedama which won’t get you ganked. Its amazing. There are a dozen ways through or around Uedama which doesn’t get you ganked… I regularly used to haul expensive stuff to and from wormholes involving going through there and was unmolested. ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2021, 1:05am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-hisec-ganking-good-for-the-game/326997/1180 "2021-10-06T01:05:06Z")
Are you Dracvlad on another account? ---
**Author:** ![Rroff](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/rroff/32/509119_2.png) [@Rroff](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Rroff)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2021, 1:05am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-hisec-ganking-good-for-the-game/326997/1181 "2021-10-06T01:05:08Z")
> [@Gix\_Firebrand](#): > > LOL, yes, yes you have. Its ok dude. I know it gets confusing, esp since you don’t play anymore. You are definitely the one getting confused there. I have never once claimed that and my experience in the game would kind of indicate it isn’t something I would likely mix up… ---
**Author:** ![Rroff](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/rroff/32/509119_2.png) [@Rroff](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Rroff)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2021, 1:13am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-hisec-ganking-good-for-the-game/326997/1182 "2021-10-06T01:13:09Z")
> [@Xucca](#): > > Once locked and fired upon, there is NOTHING to counter it. Something which is going to depend a lot - if the incoming alpha is so high you are dead within 1-2 server frames you are out of luck, a lot of the ganks with a swarm of smaller ships take a bit longer you might possibly be able to rep out of that - though I believe they’ve added diminishing returns to remote reps which makes it a bit harder and good luck if you get a big swarm capable of 50+K DPS - though AFAIK that largely only happens around the events like Burn Eden. It is a mixed story as to whether you could have avoided putting yourself in that position or not. But personally I’m more about where the road goes from there than stopping people being ganked in the first place. ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2021, 1:14am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-hisec-ganking-good-for-the-game/326997/1183 "2021-10-06T01:14:27Z")
> [@Rroff](#): > > I’m more about where the road goes from there …but you are not about logging in? Just theorycrafting in the forums? ---
**Author:** ![Rroff](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/rroff/32/509119_2.png) [@Rroff](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Rroff)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2021, 1:18am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-hisec-ganking-good-for-the-game/326997/1184 "2021-10-06T01:18:22Z")
> [@Aiko\_Danuja](#): > > …but you are not about logging in? Just theorycrafting in the forums? Broken record much? ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2021, 1:18am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-hisec-ganking-good-for-the-game/326997/1185 "2021-10-06T01:18:39Z")
Ok Dracvlad. Keep telling everyone how you would fix the game you don’t play and never intend to play. ---
**Author:** ![Rroff](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/rroff/32/509119_2.png) [@Rroff](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Rroff)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2021, 1:19am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-hisec-ganking-good-for-the-game/326997/1186 "2021-10-06T01:19:23Z")
> [@Aiko\_Danuja](#): > > Ok Dracvlad. I have many alts but Dracvlad is not one of mine. ---
**Author:** ![Xucca](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xucca/32/373499_2.png) [@Xucca](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xucca)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2021, 1:21am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-hisec-ganking-good-for-the-game/326997/1187 "2021-10-06T01:21:42Z")
> [@Rroff](#): > > if the incoming alpha is so high you are dead within 1-2 server frames you are out of luck, Nope.. that’s a well executed gank. > [@Rroff](#): > > a lot of the ganks with a swarm of smaller ships take a bit longer you might possibly be able to rep out of that Nope, that’s a poorly executed gank combined with a sad target selection. > [@Rroff](#): > > though I believe they’ve added diminishing returns to remote reps which makes it a bit harder and good luck if you get a big swarm capable of 50+K DPS - Again, poor choice of target. Again, do not insist. Know the game. If a gank fails it is because of the gank setup, planning, observation, numbers, poor target selection, etc. There is nothing against it. Of course you can avoid it. Not only by the exposed reasons, but also by posting on the forums or just not undocking, right? ---
**Author:** ![Rroff](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/rroff/32/509119_2.png) [@Rroff](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Rroff)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2021, 1:26am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-hisec-ganking-good-for-the-game/326997/1188 "2021-10-06T01:26:47Z")
> [@Xucca](#): > > Again, poor choice of target. > > Again, do not insist. Know the game. > If a gank fails it is because of the gank setup, planning, observation, numbers, poor target selection, etc. > > There is nothing against it. If you take it to absolutes sure. Most gank attempts in the game, successful or otherwise, aren’t that level of perfection though and will have holes in the execution because they can’t be bothered to finesse things like whether a pilot might have some esoteric contingency plan, etc. (one of the factors I was able to utilise to avoid being ganked). ---
**Author:** ![Delta\_Veyron](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/delta_veyron/32/404512_2.png) [@Delta\_Veyron](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Delta_Veyron)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2021, 1:46am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-hisec-ganking-good-for-the-game/326997/1189 "2021-10-06T01:46:00Z")
When I started this post I did not intend for people to be rude to each other. However this the is real world. In Eve if you are rude you get banned. In real life if you are rude there is a bit more tolerance. The fact that there are so many comments shows that this topic has some importance. I find it difficult to explain what my real point is, but can narrow it down that Hi-sec ganking is unfair. It is unfair to new players who have no understanding of the mechanic. It is unfair that gankers can live in a system and freely gank each day over and over because game mechanics allow that. Those pilots become outlaws when their security status falls below a certain level but they can still fly their ships freely and still dock in system to jump into another ship and do it again after the timer wear’s off. On any given day the route from Jita to Amarr can be blocked by gankers in Uedama for those wishing to travel through Hi-sec only. There is no other Hi-sec route. The penalties for ganking are weak. A lower sec status and a criminal timer and chased by faction police does not prevent them. As we see with Burn Jita when it is running nothing can save you once you are tackled the mass fleets and DPS give you no time to react even with Concord. How is that fair? My point is the recompense to gankers is very weak and they abuse this weakness. ---
**Author:** ![Ridley\_Rohan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ridley_rohan/32/403694_2.png) [@Ridley\_Rohan](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ridley_Rohan)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2021, 2:10am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-hisec-ganking-good-for-the-game/326997/1190 "2021-10-06T02:10:45Z")
> [@Gix\_Firebrand](#): > > Bro it ain’t my fault you’re wrong and you have bad ideas. Well if your old baseless accusation is proven wrong, feel free to make another one. My CRT idea was said to be a good idea by others in other threads. So have my ideas that you are not even aware of. If I am just plain wrong about anything here its over-estimating player/ forum user intelligence thinking they could integrate a small terminology change. There I may have made a huge blunder, I admit. ---
**Author:** ![Ridley\_Rohan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ridley_rohan/32/403694_2.png) [@Ridley\_Rohan](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ridley_Rohan)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2021, 2:18am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-hisec-ganking-good-for-the-game/326997/1191 "2021-10-06T02:18:23Z")
> [@Delta\_Veyron](#): > > but they can still fly their ships freely Relatively freely yes. Its a bit like a 10 year old playing tag with their 5 year old sister, but people here will claim the 10 year old is being chased, and therefore is hard pressed to move about. Its hard to tell if that is trolling or an actual brainfart, but its definitely common. The only time I have seen the authorities catch up to an outlaw that was just traveling was when they got warp scrammed by a player. Usually I see them just zipping about with a smile on their face. ---
**Author:** ![Rroff](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/rroff/32/509119_2.png) [@Rroff](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Rroff)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2021, 2:26am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-hisec-ganking-good-for-the-game/326997/1192 "2021-10-06T02:26:42Z")
> [@Ridley\_Rohan](#): > > If I am just plain wrong about anything here its over-estimating player/ forum user intelligence thinking they could integrate a small terminology change. There I may have made a huge blunder, I admit. That is what you get with a forum largely frequented by people’s alts - some for good reasons but largely because of the shield it gives them. ---
**Author:** ![Gix\_Firebrand](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gix_firebrand/32/456949_2.png) [@Gix\_Firebrand](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gix_Firebrand)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2021, 2:51am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-hisec-ganking-good-for-the-game/326997/1193 "2021-10-06T02:51:57Z")
> [@Xucca](#): > > A gank is unstoppable. > You cannot count no gank as such. > It is not possible to explain a gank that never happens. > Once locked and fired upon, there is NOTHING to counter it. > Only poorly executed ganks fail. That billion is reduced to zero when the gank is under effect. Don’t insist. You know, you could have saved us all a lot of time and just said you don’t live in reality. A gank is unstoppable? ROFL. Ganks get stopped all the time. There are counters. A ton. They just involve yennoe, playing the game instead of just putting warp to 0 or jump. > [@Rroff](#): > > There are a dozen ways through or around Uedama which doesn’t get you ganked… I regularly used to haul expensive stuff to and from wormholes involving going through there and was unmolested. So you admit it isn’t a problem and doesn’t need to be changed. Thankee for admitting you were wrong. > [@Ridley\_Rohan](#): > > Well if your old baseless accusation is proven wrong, feel free to make another one. My CRT idea was said to be a good idea by others in other threads. So have my ideas that you are not even aware of. LOL sure it was bro. Your CRT idea is way more confusing than what we have now LOL. And totally un-needed. Learn to EVE kthx. > [@Rroff](#): > > That is what you get with a forum largely frequented by people’s alts - some for good reasons but largely because of the shield it gives them. Nah bro, this is my main. Always has been. Come find me 😃 Oh wait. You don’t play anymore. Well. I guess this is the closest you’ll get to PvP huh? [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-hisec-ganking-good-for-the-game/326997.md?page=57) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-hisec-ganking-good-for-the-game/326997.md?page=59)