# Is Hisec ganking good for the game? **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [September 9, 2021, 1:51am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-hisec-ganking-good-for-the-game/326997 "2021-09-09T01:51:41Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 71
**Author:** ![Ridley\_Rohan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ridley_rohan/32/403694_2.png) [@Ridley\_Rohan](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ridley_Rohan)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2021, 11:56am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-hisec-ganking-good-for-the-game/326997/1434 "2021-10-07T11:56:22Z")
I have said my piece and many of you have had your trolling fun driving the discussion in circles, moving goal posts, pretending not to know the obvious, etc. Now get off my back. Ride’s over. ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2021, 12:40pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-hisec-ganking-good-for-the-game/326997/1435 "2021-10-07T12:40:05Z")
> [@Scootaloo\_Pirkibo](#): > > because you have few kills in nullsec in a fleet it makes of you a F1 monkey ? He said there’s no evidence of him being an F1 monkey, but much of his killboard involves him blobbing in blobs - so there’s certainly _some_ evidence. ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2021, 12:40pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-hisec-ganking-good-for-the-game/326997/1436 "2021-10-07T12:40:32Z")
> [@Ridley\_Rohan](#): > > I have said my piece Are you done posting forever, or will you repeat this cycle tomorrow? ---
**Author:** ![Gerard\_Amatin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gerard_amatin/32/481361_2.png) [@Gerard\_Amatin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gerard_Amatin)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2021, 12:45pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-hisec-ganking-good-for-the-game/326997/1437 "2021-10-07T12:45:31Z")
> [@Ridley\_Rohan](#): > > Not interested. So stop asking. If you’re not interested in listening to responses to your posts, why post at all? Also I would still like to know which goalposts I moved and what you think about the information I gave you that you specifically asked about. After all, I am interested in listening to your responses. ---
**Author:** ![Solonius\_Rex](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solonius_rex/32/388172_2.png) [@Solonius\_Rex](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solonius_Rex)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2021, 12:59pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-hisec-ganking-good-for-the-game/326997/1438 "2021-10-07T12:59:15Z")
> [@Ridley\_Rohan](#): > > That’s right. Gankers are not the ones beginning the positing. They are the ones doing the tearful RESPONDING. Did you forget how to logic right now? AG: Waah Waah Gankers are mean and bad for the game!! G: Lol, no theyre not. You: WOW GANKERS ARE CRYING You wouldnt recognize logic if you drowned in it. > [@Ridley\_Rohan](#): > > Maybe that’s what you see in the upside-down where you live but the term “anti-ganker” means people who actively hunt gankers and NOT gank victims who make complaint threads and not random player rule theorists either. Anti-gankers are not churning out such threads, at least not here in the real world. In fact several will insist everything is fine with the situation, though I may disagree on some points. Again, dont think you understand what the word “Anti-” means. Hint: It means to oppose or be against. > [@Ridley\_Rohan](#): > > Correct. Most people are pretty dim in any group, and that’s why patting most groups on the back and labelling them as fantastic adapters is a dim thing to do. Thats not what i said at all. You seem to be unable to grasp the fact that just because Oppenheimer didnt come up with general relativity, that he was somehow dim compared to Einstein. You do realize that just because one person in a group was able to come up with a strategy first, doesnt mean that the rest of the group is dim-witted. You seem to have forgotten how to logic, like 5 days ago. ---
**Author:** ![Ridley\_Rohan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ridley_rohan/32/403694_2.png) [@Ridley\_Rohan](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ridley_Rohan)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2021, 1:09pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-hisec-ganking-good-for-the-game/326997/1439 "2021-10-07T13:09:32Z")
And people say I am a troll. Just leave me alone. There will be other days and other topics. ---
**Author:** ![Etch\_Masuka](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/etch_masuka/32/468743_2.png) [@Etch\_Masuka](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Etch_Masuka)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2021, 1:10pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-hisec-ganking-good-for-the-game/326997/1440 "2021-10-07T13:10:53Z")
Yup. Definitely needs a hug ---
**Author:** ![Xucca](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xucca/32/373499_2.png) [@Xucca](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xucca)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2021, 1:26pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-hisec-ganking-good-for-the-game/326997/1441 "2021-10-07T13:26:17Z")
Imagine the chances of a player on returning to the game if inactivity bans participation on the forums. I tried once or twice to post via a different channel with this char. It was too distracting, as the channel is not exclusive EVE topic. I decided to keep it simple in here, tho I honestly don’t believe it fulfills any objective. I never, and encourage to, post under my active. I dislike my skirt being lifted to check if I shaved. Instead, I try to be constructive when posting, voicing as adequate as my ability to translate goes, avoid getting personal and ignore recurrent troll baits. For those reasons, I encourage not to see the providence but the content and move on. Xucca is hot and tries very hard. As a dormant character, she will remain as my PR on these matters. Make her feel welcome. 😘 ---
**Author:** ![Scipio\_Artelius](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scipio_artelius/32/408264_2.png) [@Scipio\_Artelius](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scipio_Artelius)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2021, 1:56pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-hisec-ganking-good-for-the-game/326997/1442 "2021-10-07T13:56:18Z")
> [@Xucca](#): > > Imagine the chances of a player on returning to the game if inactivity bans participation on the forums. Before clone states you needed a subscription to post on the forum. Didn’t cause any particular issue for 13-14 years with people taking breaks and coming back. Only a very small percentage of the community posts here and there are other social sites and community networks that provide alternatives. ---
**Author:** ![Pan\_Dora1](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/pan_dora1/32/277067_2.png) [@Pan\_Dora1](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Pan_Dora1)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2021, 2:03pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-hisec-ganking-good-for-the-game/326997/1443 "2021-10-07T14:03:30Z")
> [@Ridley\_Rohan](#): > > Just leave me alone. Either be alone or be here with us in the forum. Can’t have both ways. ---
**Author:** ![Xucca](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xucca/32/373499_2.png) [@Xucca](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xucca)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2021, 2:09pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-hisec-ganking-good-for-the-game/326997/1444 "2021-10-07T14:09:07Z")
You’ve just extracted a smirk off my crust. That’s the spirit! ---
**Author:** ![Rroff](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/rroff/32/509119_2.png) [@Rroff](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Rroff)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2021, 5:41pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-hisec-ganking-good-for-the-game/326997/1445 "2021-10-07T17:41:09Z")
> [@Aiko\_Danuja](#): > > You certainly appear to have more F1 nullbear activity, than Highsec ganking. Have a look at those again - they are clearly NPSI roams with entities like RvB. Those specific instances might be little more than F1 engagements but he specifically said I was nothing but a “null bear F1 monkey” when there is zero evidence on my killboard to anyone who has a reasonable level of experience of that kind of activity and only minimal F1 monkey type engagements. > [@Aiko\_Danuja](#): > > In fact, although you claim to have done literally DOZENS of ganks, your killboard only shows 8 kills in Highsec (at least one of which appears to have been an antiganking failure). This doesn’t lend credence to any opinions you might have about Highsec, considering your most recent experience was a decade ago. I don’t think I claimed dozens of ganks - I said my fair share and over a dozen - which over all my characters is true - it isn’t something I did a lot of but it isn’t something I’ve no experience of either. Some of them are older than the zkillboard records others on other characters. EDIT: Regardless of specifics my point was it isn’t like ganking is something I’ve never done or want to stop happening in the game even if I was only an occasional participant myself. ---
**Author:** ![Rroff](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/rroff/32/509119_2.png) [@Rroff](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Rroff)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2021, 5:49pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-hisec-ganking-good-for-the-game/326997/1446 "2021-10-07T17:49:12Z")
> [@Etch\_Masuka](#): > > Are you really saying that Gankers have so many many accounts that they never fly a pilot twice in the period the killmail will be active? At one gank a day thats 30 alts. At 4 ganks a day thats over 100 alts. You really think this is where the game is at? > > What I think you are conveniently forgetting is that alphas cannot be run more than 1 at a time or alongside an omega account. If a ganker is multi boxing all the accounts need to be omega. It’s against the EULA to fly an alpha alongside an omega. the launcher even prevents you from doing it. And before you come back with the straw man argument that some players have found a workaround……just don’t. thats not a mechanics problem thats a terms of service problem and if you believe its happening report it and CCP will ban the accounts. > > Based on that is it really feasible for a ganker to have so many accounts that in their freighter busting set-up that they can rotate them so players never have an opportunity to activate a 30 day kill right? Possible sure with a hellish amount of disposable income. However vey unlikely. As I’ve mentioned and people keep, maybe intentionally misunderstanding, there is a range of ganking - you get people who are literally out there on the same character doing it every day and other activities and you get other people who just snag high value targets now and again, etc. maybe only do 1-2 ganks a month. At least in my experience unfortunately seems to be the case that a not insignificant proportion of new players get ganked in their first few weeks, leading them to quit the game, by faceless alts. That isn’t to say that is always what happens. Most posters seem to focus on a specific style of ganking and talk like that is all that is going on and put a lot of weight on say freighter ganks in Uedma when other stuff is happening frequently as well just not as high profile. ---
**Author:** ![Pan\_Dora1](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/pan_dora1/32/277067_2.png) [@Pan\_Dora1](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Pan_Dora1)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2021, 6:39pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-hisec-ganking-good-for-the-game/326997/1447 "2021-10-07T18:39:35Z")
> [@Rroff](#): > > Those specific instances might be little more than F1 engagements but he specifically said I was nothing but a “null bear F1 monkey” Would you be satisfied if he accused you of being “little more than nullbear F1 monkey” instead? Seems like you are not helping your case there and Aiko is quite ferocious “prosecutor”\* - @Aiko_Danuja intended neither as compliment or as insult. ---
**Author:** ![Rroff](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/rroff/32/509119_2.png) [@Rroff](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Rroff)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2021, 6:42pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-hisec-ganking-good-for-the-game/326997/1448 "2021-10-07T18:42:07Z")
> [@Pan\_Dora1](#): > > Would you be satisfied if he accused you of being “little more than nullbear F1 monkey” instead? > Seems like you are not helping your case there and Aiko is quite ferocious “prosecutor”\* > > - @Aiko_Danuja intended neither as compliment or as insult. I have no idea what you are saying. My killboard has a wide range of activities and certainly nothing which pins me as little more or nothing more than a specific activity let alone a null bear. ---
**Author:** ![Pan\_Dora1](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/pan_dora1/32/277067_2.png) [@Pan\_Dora1](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Pan_Dora1)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2021, 6:47pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-hisec-ganking-good-for-the-game/326997/1449 "2021-10-07T18:47:21Z")
I take your word for it. But as I tried to say(maybe didn’t pick the best word), others could give you a hard time argue with you about that. ---
**Author:** ![Rroff](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/rroff/32/509119_2.png) [@Rroff](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Rroff)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2021, 6:52pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-hisec-ganking-good-for-the-game/326997/1450 "2021-10-07T18:52:24Z")
People can quibble over the exact nature of what my killboard says but it tends to call into question the level of experience someone has in the game if they tried to pin me as just a “null bear F1 monkey” based on it. ---
**Author:** ![Sasha\_Nemtsov](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sasha_nemtsov/32/393707_2.png) [@Sasha\_Nemtsov](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sasha_Nemtsov)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2021, 7:03pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-hisec-ganking-good-for-the-game/326997/1451 "2021-10-07T19:03:15Z")
> [@Rroff](#): > > Most posters seem to focus on a specific style of ganking and talk like that is all that is going on and put a lot of weight on say freighter ganks in Uedma when other stuff is happening frequently as well just not as high profile. Hi Rroff, the reason for this is that a spectacle draws crowds like nothing else. i’m sure most of us know that freighter-ganking is not the only kind happening currently in Highsec, but miners and mission-runners are just not headline stuff - unless there’s an added value element, like bling, rage, or tears. > [@Rroff](#): > > in my experience…a not insignificant proportion of new players get ganked in their first few weeks, leading them to quit the game Neither of us is able to bring to the table a shred of _evidence_ to prove or disprove it, no? I do not believe that new players are being targeted in this activity. It is difficult to be certain that what appears to be a young character is being managed by an inexperienced player. When I executed a gank, I paid absolutely no attention to the status of the target. Gank 'em and go! I wasn’t terribly good at it, but I did enjoy the prep and selling Mining Permits! Here’s the killer; ganking has been taking place in Highsec for years. Gankers leave the game and gankees leave the game, to be replaced by further waves of players. If you look back at the old forums, you’ll see that the very views which clog up the boards today (mine included) have been expressed perhaps hundreds of times before. And here we are again. Over to you, Rroff… ---
**Author:** ![Rroff](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/rroff/32/509119_2.png) [@Rroff](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Rroff)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2021, 7:21pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-hisec-ganking-good-for-the-game/326997/1452 "2021-10-07T19:21:51Z")
> [@Sasha\_Nemtsov](#): > > Neither of us is able to bring to the table a shred of _evidence_ to prove or disprove it, no? > > I do not believe that new players are being targeted in this activity. It is difficult to be certain that what appears to be a young character is being managed by an inexperienced player. I can’t specifically prove it but I’m active on other forums with a sizeable Eve following such as Overclockers UK - amongst the 21 thousand plus posts there there are a number of instances of it, I can’t specifically point them out now though although a lot of the conversations went on in game rather than on the forum. As per my other point though there are a lot of people ganking in different styles - you might not have paid much attention to the status of the target but there will be others who do. I find it interesting how so many see players as disposable with “oh they’ll be replaced by another player” but wouldn’t it be better to keep both? ---
**Author:** ![Xucca](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xucca/32/373499_2.png) [@Xucca](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xucca)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2021, 7:22pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-hisec-ganking-good-for-the-game/326997/1453 "2021-10-07T19:22:19Z")
I cannot prove much of what I say or present evidence… mostly because I have time but not _that_ time. If it serves of proof, I voucher Rroff’s assertion on “ganked” being the primary complain I used to hear from true new players, back when I was part of a “Newbie Friendly” Corporation. In fact, I did instructed ganking on our own peeps for not aligning to the directives. A harsh but effective method, I must say. The second was the exploitation from “Newbie Friendly” Corporations. 🕶 I hardly see truly new players this epoch. I’m not saying that _all_ of them are gankers’ alts but we have more exploits than reals. It’s a personal observation. If someone has a way of extracting data on this matter, please point. I’ll fetch! [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-hisec-ganking-good-for-the-game/326997.md?page=70) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-hisec-ganking-good-for-the-game/326997.md?page=72)