# Is Hisec ganking good for the game? **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [September 9, 2021, 1:51am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-hisec-ganking-good-for-the-game/326997 "2021-09-09T01:51:41Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 87
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2021, 11:13pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-hisec-ganking-good-for-the-game/326997/1754 "2021-10-11T23:13:15Z")
Here’s is the time that “ELITE PVP” Verlyn killed a Venture with a Svipul. > **[Venture | Neuronet 0000 | Killmail](https://zkillboard.com/kill/61784599/)** > > Neuronet 0000 (24th Imperial Crusade) lost their Venture in Sosan (Devoid) Total Value: 198,000.41 ISK WHAT A CHAMP No wonder Verlyn gets salty about Elite PvP taking place in Highsec. It gets Verlyn right in the feels! > [@Verlyn](#): > > it just hurts me, right in the feels ---
**Author:** ![Gix\_Firebrand](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gix_firebrand/32/456949_2.png) [@Gix\_Firebrand](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gix_Firebrand)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2021, 12:37am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-hisec-ganking-good-for-the-game/326997/1755 "2021-10-12T00:37:09Z")
As much fun as this thread has been, I’d like to sum up the accomplishments of it and declare it officially closed. 1. High sec ganking is in fact good for the game 2. The new term of people getted pwned is now **rroffed** 3. Ganking has been solved by Gix in a week’s time, no thanks to Rroff, Ridley, or Drac 4. Aiko has the first confirmed killmail out of game in the form of Rroff 5. All tactics should have a counter, having a counter does not invalidate the tactic, merely provides options 6. CCP should really look at non-active Omegas/alphas being allowed to post on forum as this thread has exposed a dangerous sub-section of this forum of non-playing bittervets who are merely out to nerf portions of a game they don’t like but no longer play 7. The frontline is everywhere in space, and assume everyone is out to kill you except blue/purple and even then they may try anyways. Thankee for coming to this EVE talk. Remember to help a newbro kill Dagan and also bait a newbro in hi sec and blap them to keep the balance. ---
**Author:** ![Rroff](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/rroff/32/509119_2.png) [@Rroff](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Rroff)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2021, 1:14am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-hisec-ganking-good-for-the-game/326997/1756 "2021-10-12T01:14:17Z")
> [@Gix\_Firebrand](#): > > Bro you don’t even play anymore 😃 How would you know? And yes, there is a counter. Everything should have one. Doesn’t mean the tactic is useless. I love how ya’ll get exposed with the sophistry. You basically just want hi-sec immune from ganking. At least just be honest about it. Just some advice based on around 6 years of playing - when it comes to gankers if you find a clever counter to it you are best keeping it to yourself - as soon as people start using it regularly in any kind of numbers the gankers will adapt, infiltrate if it is organised with public groups, etc. Why would I want high sec immune to ganking? ---
**Author:** ![Gix\_Firebrand](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gix_firebrand/32/456949_2.png) [@Gix\_Firebrand](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gix_Firebrand)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2021, 1:31am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-hisec-ganking-good-for-the-game/326997/1757 "2021-10-12T01:31:05Z")
> [@Rroff](#): > > Just some advice based on around 6 years of playing - when it comes to gankers if you find a clever counter to it you are best keeping it to yourself - as soon as people start using it regularly in any kind of numbers the gankers will adapt, infiltrate if it is organised with public groups, etc. > > Why would I want high sec immune to ganking? LOL you’ve been out of game longer than you’ve played in the past 😃 As they should adapt. And then it forces the others to adapt. And its called gameplay and content 😃 Yea bro, we get the sophistry already. We can read between the lines. Sorry, I don’t need advice from someone who hasn’t been in game in 7 years. I def don’t wanna get rroffed yennoe? ---
**Author:** ![Rroff](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/rroff/32/509119_2.png) [@Rroff](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Rroff)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2021, 1:32am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-hisec-ganking-good-for-the-game/326997/1758 "2021-10-12T01:32:51Z")
I dunno about elite PVP but it is possible to take ganking to an elite level - understanding the game mechanics and how to manipulate them better than most, how to manipulate people, take out targets most can’t manage, etc. Or you could just sit in a Tornado with a ship scanner somewhere around Jita - you won’t have to wait long. ---
**Author:** ![Rroff](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/rroff/32/509119_2.png) [@Rroff](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Rroff)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2021, 1:33am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-hisec-ganking-good-for-the-game/326997/1759 "2021-10-12T01:33:43Z")
> [@Gix\_Firebrand](#): > > I def don’t wanna get rroffed yennoe? You seem to manage it fine on your own without any help from me. ---
**Author:** ![Gix\_Firebrand](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gix_firebrand/32/456949_2.png) [@Gix\_Firebrand](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gix_Firebrand)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2021, 1:41am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-hisec-ganking-good-for-the-game/326997/1760 "2021-10-12T01:41:34Z")
Bro I don’t think anyone can get rroffed on the level that you did. You got straight ganked in these forums LOL. And what help could you provide? You ain’t in game ROFL. ---
**Author:** ![Rroff](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/rroff/32/509119_2.png) [@Rroff](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Rroff)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2021, 1:46am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-hisec-ganking-good-for-the-game/326997/1761 "2021-10-12T01:46:03Z")
No I’m definitely not qualified to give you the help you need. ---
**Author:** ![Scipio\_Artelius](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scipio_artelius/32/408264_2.png) [@Scipio\_Artelius](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scipio_Artelius)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2021, 2:10am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-hisec-ganking-good-for-the-game/326997/1762 "2021-10-12T02:10:07Z")
> [@Xucca](#): > > So, gankingin HS is good for the game because there are “counters”? I think it is more - It’s good because it helps the destruction/production cycle and increases risk, supporting arguments for increased reward for highsec. It’s balanced because there are counters. ---
**Author:** ![Rroff](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/rroff/32/509119_2.png) [@Rroff](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Rroff)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2021, 2:16am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-hisec-ganking-good-for-the-game/326997/1763 "2021-10-12T02:16:36Z")
> [@Scipio\_Artelius](#): > > It’s balanced because there are counters. Depends - not much to counter when some random corp decide to engage your officer fit PVE boat with 1400mm :s ---
**Author:** ![Scipio\_Artelius](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scipio_artelius/32/408264_2.png) [@Scipio\_Artelius](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scipio_Artelius)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2021, 2:23am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-hisec-ganking-good-for-the-game/326997/1764 "2021-10-12T02:23:33Z")
> [@Rroff](#): > > not much to counter when some random corp decide to engage your officer fit PVE boat with 1400mm Kill them maybe? Seems if someone if flying an Officer fit PVE boat, there are plenty of things they can do to counter the possibility of a gank and/or survive if they screw up enough for gankers to get close enough to activate their guns. However, exactly where the balance sits is subjective and everyone will have a different view. I get it that you feel the balance is in the wrong place and safety should be increased in highsec. My view is rather, if there were no counters, then changes would be needed, but where there are counters and people don’t use them, then that’s their choice and they should do what they already can before CCP step in an hold their hand more. ---
**Author:** ![Rroff](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/rroff/32/509119_2.png) [@Rroff](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Rroff)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2021, 2:26am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-hisec-ganking-good-for-the-game/326997/1765 "2021-10-12T02:26:30Z")
> [@Scipio\_Artelius](#): > > Kill them maybe? Fat chance on the ganks I’ve done - the target almost certainly had no idea until moments before they were relieved of their ship. (One of them we literally held off swapping to the gank ships until they were in warp and committed, another we masqueraded as PVE ships until they were in position). > [@Scipio\_Artelius](#): > > I get it that you feel the balance is in the wrong place and safety should be increased in highsec. Never said that neither do I hold that position - my posts in that respect have been all about what happens after the gank. ---
**Author:** ![Scipio\_Artelius](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scipio_artelius/32/408264_2.png) [@Scipio\_Artelius](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scipio_Artelius)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2021, 2:28am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-hisec-ganking-good-for-the-game/326997/1766 "2021-10-12T02:28:24Z")
> [@Rroff](#): > > Fat chance on the ganks I’ve done Not all gankers are god level I guess. > [@Rroff](#): > > the target almost certainly had no idea until moments before they were relieved of their ship. Then they screwed up, even if gankers were going to appear out of a wormhole. It’s a risk. They should have prepared for. ---
**Author:** ![Rroff](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/rroff/32/509119_2.png) [@Rroff](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Rroff)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2021, 2:29am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-hisec-ganking-good-for-the-game/326997/1767 "2021-10-12T02:29:58Z")
> [@Scipio\_Artelius](#): > > Then they screwed up, even if gankers were going to appear out of a wormhole. I edited my post above with a couple of examples - in one case we waited until the target has jumped the gate and gone into warp before reshipping. In another we set ourselves up to look like just another set of PVE ships. EDIT: I can’t take credit myself though - a couple of people in alliance put in some serous leg work on those ones. ---
**Author:** ![Xucca](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xucca/32/373499_2.png) [@Xucca](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xucca)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2021, 2:43am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-hisec-ganking-good-for-the-game/326997/1768 "2021-10-12T02:43:10Z")
> [@Scipio\_Artelius](#): > > It’s good because it helps the destruction/production cycle and increases risk, supporting arguments for increased reward for highsec. And you have a point there! The part where I differ is the action itself. To me, there is no such thing as a counter against the single action of the gank in effect. There are ways to avoid it, yes… by gathering intel, scouting, messing around with the field by acting as CONCORD bait… etc. But a seasoned gank setup knows that perhaps better. A well played gank is never without the element of surprise. Once you’re locked and fired upon, only a poorly executed gank is survivable. At that point is where I think something interesting could be introd’. A pilot could save the ship & cargo it if there is some creative mechanic that could be used giving that extra chance. Is it necessary? No. People have flown stupid and forever will. Even if such extra is added, will make no difference on how stupid can people go. But it would be fun, of course… by providing the lower ground a chance of similar level of fun. It doesn’t mean that such fun doesn’t exist, and it happens on a failed gank… Surviving it is quite the joy but in such cases, It’s because the gank fails. Not because your tank or warp… it’s a failed gank setup. Do you think having such “thing” would be too much of a counter? That people will stop flying stupid? That it is wrong because in no event shall the ganker confront an element of surprise farther than a scan’s reach? ---
**Author:** ![Rroff](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/rroff/32/509119_2.png) [@Rroff](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Rroff)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2021, 2:48am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-hisec-ganking-good-for-the-game/326997/1769 "2021-10-12T02:48:15Z")
> [@Scipio\_Artelius](#): > > It’s a risk. They should have prepared for. This I broadly agree on - but sometimes no matter how careful you are someone else is better. As before where I have an opinion is post the gank not before or during it. ---
**Author:** ![Xucca](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xucca/32/373499_2.png) [@Xucca](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xucca)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2021, 2:48am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-hisec-ganking-good-for-the-game/326997/1770 "2021-10-12T02:48:50Z")
> [@Scipio\_Artelius](#): > > However, exactly where the balance sits is subjective and everyone will have a different view. This is pure truth. Part of the reasons why I differentiate the action in effect from everything prior. ---
**Author:** ![Gix\_Firebrand](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gix_firebrand/32/456949_2.png) [@Gix\_Firebrand](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gix_Firebrand)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2021, 3:17am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-hisec-ganking-good-for-the-game/326997/1771 "2021-10-12T03:17:46Z")
> [@Rroff](#): > > No I’m definitely not qualified to give you the help you need. Nor did anyone ask it of you 😃 Weird that you don’t respect consent but then again you’re a faceless gank alt so > [@Rroff](#): > > Depends - not much to counter when some random corp decide to engage your officer fit PVE boat with 1400mm :s Plenty 😃 > [@Rroff](#): > > Fat chance on the ganks I’ve done Whew, you mean like the 4 you did 10 years ago? And yea, they messed up. They should always assume unknown players want to kill them 😃 > [@Xucca](#): > > To me, there is no such thing as a counter against the single action of the gank in effect. There are ways to avoid it Avoiding it is literally a counter… ---
**Author:** ![Rroff](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/rroff/32/509119_2.png) [@Rroff](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Rroff)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2021, 3:40am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-hisec-ganking-good-for-the-game/326997/1772 "2021-10-12T03:40:41Z")
> [@Gix\_Firebrand](#): > > Whew, you mean like the 4 you did 10 years ago? And yea, they messed up. They should always assume unknown players want to kill them I can’t take any credit for it - but they had no chance - the key when stalking a wary player is to only show your hand once they’ve committed themselves to a situation i.e. initiated warp to somewhere they will be exposed. They wouldn’t have known there was going to be players there known or unknown until they landed. EDIT: PS quality \> quantity - I didn’t do it much but over all my characters it is almost 60bn worth of ganks. ---
**Author:** ![Xuxe\_Xu](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xuxe_xu/32/464660_2.png) [@Xuxe\_Xu](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xuxe_Xu)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2021, 3:46am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-hisec-ganking-good-for-the-game/326997/1773 "2021-10-12T03:46:18Z")
> [@Rroff](#): > > Let me give you a little demonstration… just one of my so called failed ganks in your book amounts to almost 10 times your entire career in Eve… @Rroff ![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/a/8/8/a88941acde67ca44ab03fd027f390047a05cf337.gif) What? How so? [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-hisec-ganking-good-for-the-game/326997.md?page=86) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-hisec-ganking-good-for-the-game/326997.md?page=88)