# Is Hisec ganking good for the game? **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [September 9, 2021, 1:51am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-hisec-ganking-good-for-the-game/326997 "2021-09-09T01:51:41Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 91
**Author:** ![Rroff](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/rroff/32/509119_2.png) [@Rroff](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Rroff)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2021, 6:19pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-hisec-ganking-good-for-the-game/326997/1835 "2021-10-12T18:19:01Z")
> [@Jayce\_Fitzpatrick](#): > > PvP is essential in the game, because it creates demand for produced goods. Without the demands, the economical system does not work. A demanding enough PVE system can produce the same demand, relative to the level of active players - unlike many other MMOs, etc. you don’t just respawn with all your gear after wiping in a raid and so on. I don’t see the game holding the same activity level purely on PVE though - most games which try it tend to drop down to around 4K active players for the long haul or drop to very low levels if there isn’t continued investment in new opportunities from the developers i.e. look at The Division. ---
**Author:** ![Rroff](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/rroff/32/509119_2.png) [@Rroff](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Rroff)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2021, 6:20pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-hisec-ganking-good-for-the-game/326997/1836 "2021-10-12T18:20:04Z")
> [@Jayce\_Fitzpatrick](#): > > My above argument about how “think of the children” is a bad argument does not change, just because you posted something back in the day. > > Currently, people don’t complain about it nearly as much as they should be, if they truly cared about the influx of new players into the game. However, they love to come into ganking threads and scream “THINK OF THE CHILDREN!” Yeah I know - just you replied to me even though it was obviously aimed at a wider audience - so I replied to it from my position. ---
**Author:** ![Jayce\_Fitzpatrick](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jayce_fitzpatrick/32/383289_2.png) [@Jayce\_Fitzpatrick](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jayce_Fitzpatrick)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2021, 6:20pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-hisec-ganking-good-for-the-game/326997/1837 "2021-10-12T18:20:13Z")
> [@Rroff](#): > > A demanding enough PVE system can produce the same demand, relative to the level of active players - unlike many other MMOs, etc. you don’t just respawn with all your gear after wiping in a raid and so on. True… Problem is that EVE does not have a demanding PvE system. ---
**Author:** ![Kellie\_McCalamitie](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kellie_mccalamitie/32/285447_2.png) [@Kellie\_McCalamitie](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kellie_McCalamitie)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2021, 6:21pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-hisec-ganking-good-for-the-game/326997/1838 "2021-10-12T18:21:53Z")
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**Author:** ![Rroff](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/rroff/32/509119_2.png) [@Rroff](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Rroff)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2021, 6:24pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-hisec-ganking-good-for-the-game/326997/1839 "2021-10-12T18:24:08Z")
> [@Jayce\_Fitzpatrick](#): > > True… Problem is that EVE does not have a demanding PvE system. Ultimately it has been about the players to generate that level of content and largely it works. Though incursions were somewhat an attempt towards that end. A few exceptions aside like the incursion Uroborus escalations in C5/6 wormholes were about as good as it got for me - especially if you try and push it to fully escalating all 4 waves at once. ---
**Author:** ![Sasha\_Nemtsov](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sasha_nemtsov/32/393707_2.png) [@Sasha\_Nemtsov](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sasha_Nemtsov)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2021, 6:36pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-hisec-ganking-good-for-the-game/326997/1840 "2021-10-12T18:36:52Z")
> [@Rroff](#): > > Those ships they use, etc. have to be created from somewhere - if it was designed only with PVP in mind ships would have to materialise out of thin air I know of at least one ganker who has/had a thriving industrial side to his play. There may be many more… It needn’t be an ‘either/or’ thing at all. ---
**Author:** ![Rroff](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/rroff/32/509119_2.png) [@Rroff](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Rroff)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2021, 6:39pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-hisec-ganking-good-for-the-game/326997/1841 "2021-10-12T18:39:15Z")
> [@Sasha\_Nemtsov](#): > > I know of at least one ganker who has/had a thriving industrial side to his play. There may be many more… Not quite sure the angle you are going with - but you get less from a wreck than it took to build the ship so the equation doesn’t work in the long run. EDIT: My post wasn’t about either/or it needs to be taken in the context of the post it was a reply to. ---
**Author:** ![Kellie\_McCalamitie](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kellie_mccalamitie/32/285447_2.png) [@Kellie\_McCalamitie](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kellie_McCalamitie)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2021, 6:39pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-hisec-ganking-good-for-the-game/326997/1842 "2021-10-12T18:39:42Z")
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**Author:** ![Sasha\_Nemtsov](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sasha_nemtsov/32/393707_2.png) [@Sasha\_Nemtsov](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sasha_Nemtsov)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2021, 6:42pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-hisec-ganking-good-for-the-game/326997/1843 "2021-10-12T18:42:46Z")
Sorry Rroff, I read it back and realised it wasn’t clear. He built ships and modules, and from what I gather really enjoyed the industrial side of things. He also liked blowing stuff up. Folks were talking as if PvP and PVE are mutually exclusive as EVE pursuits. I just don’t think they are. ---
**Author:** ![Rroff](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/rroff/32/509119_2.png) [@Rroff](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Rroff)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2021, 6:43pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-hisec-ganking-good-for-the-game/326997/1844 "2021-10-12T18:43:06Z")
> [@Kellie\_McCalamitie](#): > > Exactly. That’s what I meant by: I see I was slightly misunderstanding your original premise - in many ways that is what Eve is encapsulated a means to and end for PVP - but it doesn’t really work unless every PVPer also PVEs to an extent which sustains the circle or someone else does PVE on their behalf. ---
**Author:** ![Rroff](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/rroff/32/509119_2.png) [@Rroff](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Rroff)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2021, 6:44pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-hisec-ganking-good-for-the-game/326997/1845 "2021-10-12T18:44:05Z")
> [@Sasha\_Nemtsov](#): > > Sorry Rroff, I read it back and realised it wasn’t clear. > > He built ships and modules, and from what I gather really enjoyed the industrial side of things. He also liked blowing stuff up. > > Folks were talking as if PvP and PVE are mutually exclusive as EVE pursuits. I just don’t think they are. I slightly misread their original post - but I wasn’t claiming it would be a towards binary kind of thing. ---
**Author:** ![Kellie\_McCalamitie](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kellie_mccalamitie/32/285447_2.png) [@Kellie\_McCalamitie](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kellie_McCalamitie)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2021, 6:47pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-hisec-ganking-good-for-the-game/326997/1846 "2021-10-12T18:47:35Z")
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**Author:** ![Gix\_Firebrand](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gix_firebrand/32/456949_2.png) [@Gix\_Firebrand](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gix_Firebrand)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2021, 6:49pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-hisec-ganking-good-for-the-game/326997/1847 "2021-10-12T18:49:02Z")
> [@Rroff](#): > > Given the constant childish replies on your part I’m not sure I’m the one looking upset here… > > You’ve still not proved I said any of the things you accused me of either… but keep posting \*\*\*\* to try and deflect from the fact you totally made things up then got upset about them by all means. Childish? More like inconvenient facts for you. Fact: You haven’t played for seven years Fact: You have barely any ganking experience Fact: You got rroffed by Aiko The thing is you won’t accept when you’re wrong. Aiko already proved that 😃 I’m just trynna get on the killmail too 😃 > [@Rroff](#): > > In my experience there are a lot of people, probably around 2/3rds, Which I have absolutely no data to back it up besides not playing the game for 7 years or ganking someone for 10. Got it. > [@Dracvlad](#): > > you have to go through somewhere that is always camped and you will have no chance to survive Sounds like their problem. Also if you ever undocked or stopped krabbing, you’d know even Uedama isn’t 24/7 camped. Sometimes its hardly camped at all. Also I already solved ganking for them. Ain’t my fault they don’t use it 😃 > [@Rroff](#): > > A demanding enough PVE system can produce the same demand, relative to the level of active players - unlike many other MMOs, etc. you don’t just respawn with all your gear after wiping in a raid and so on. LOL the only PvE activity that comes close to PvP destruction is abyss. You’d know that if you played 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Rroff](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/rroff/32/509119_2.png) [@Rroff](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Rroff)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2021, 7:03pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-hisec-ganking-good-for-the-game/326997/1848 "2021-10-12T19:03:21Z")
> [@Gix\_Firebrand](#): > > Childish? More like inconvenient facts for you. > Fact: You haven’t played for seven years > Fact: You have barely any ganking experience > Fact: You got rroffed by Aiko > > The thing is you won’t accept when you’re wrong. Aiko already proved that 😃 I’m just trynna get on the killmail too More childish nonsense. You are mostly trying to beat me up over stuff you invented or added to my posts yourself rather than what I actually said - so you are basically \*\*\*\* posting at yourself. > [@Gix\_Firebrand](#): > > LOL the only PvE activity that comes close to PvP destruction is abyss. You’d know that if you played I’m aware of abyssal deadspace - you should read what I actually said and the posts it was in reply to again. Shame mutaplasmids didn’t exist when I played - that kind of stuff is up my street - can produce some interesting results with them: ![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/a/7/2/a7251d15ddbc8f82b1a47828572e9a52310a40ad.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![Kellie\_McCalamitie](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kellie_mccalamitie/32/285447_2.png) [@Kellie\_McCalamitie](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kellie_McCalamitie)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2021, 7:13pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-hisec-ganking-good-for-the-game/326997/1849 "2021-10-12T19:13:20Z")
> [@Rroff](#): > > that kind of stuff is up my street FYI… it’s “up my alley”, not “street”. > [@Rroff](#): > > You are mostly trying to beat me up over stuff you invented or added to my posts yourself rather than what I actually said - so you are basically \*\*\*\* posting at yourself. 🤭 ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2021, 7:13pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-hisec-ganking-good-for-the-game/326997/1850 "2021-10-12T19:13:44Z")
Non-human detected. ---
**Author:** ![Rroff](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/rroff/32/509119_2.png) [@Rroff](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Rroff)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2021, 7:16pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-hisec-ganking-good-for-the-game/326997/1851 "2021-10-12T19:16:43Z")
> [@Kellie\_McCalamitie](#): > > FYI… it’s “up my alley”, not “street”. I’m British. ---
**Author:** ![Kellie\_McCalamitie](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kellie_mccalamitie/32/285447_2.png) [@Kellie\_McCalamitie](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kellie_McCalamitie)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2021, 7:17pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-hisec-ganking-good-for-the-game/326997/1852 "2021-10-12T19:17:23Z")
> [@Rroff](#): > > I’m British. I’m sorry 😁 ---
**Author:** ![Rroff](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/rroff/32/509119_2.png) [@Rroff](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Rroff)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2021, 7:18pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-hisec-ganking-good-for-the-game/326997/1853 "2021-10-12T19:18:30Z")
Now I’m gonna think you are Canadian. ---
**Author:** ![Kellie\_McCalamitie](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kellie_mccalamitie/32/285447_2.png) [@Kellie\_McCalamitie](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kellie_McCalamitie)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2021, 7:23pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-hisec-ganking-good-for-the-game/326997/1854 "2021-10-12T19:23:30Z")
> [@Rroff](#): > > Now I’m gonna think you are Canadian. My family is a melting pot but nationality and origins are two different things. I can’t call a single country ‘home’ and I don’t even want to. I rather think of myself as a Vandal, I have all the required genetic traits to do so. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-hisec-ganking-good-for-the-game/326997.md?page=90) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-hisec-ganking-good-for-the-game/326997.md?page=92)