# Is it all about pvp? **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [September 8, 2018, 6:13pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-it-all-about-pvp/104920 "2018-09-08T18:13:59Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 11
**Author:** ![Trey-Gowdy](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/trey-gowdy/32/92876_2.png) [@Trey-Gowdy](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Trey-Gowdy)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2018, 1:27pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-it-all-about-pvp/104920/202 "2018-09-10T13:27:04Z")
@Rising_Prime They already have an alternate server. It’s called the Test Server or SiSi. I’m sure no one will come looking for you in HS. ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2018, 1:29pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-it-all-about-pvp/104920/203 "2018-09-10T13:29:39Z")
> [@JC\_Mieyli](#): > > > [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > > > Thats what I figured, but hoped against. Dissappointing. > > > > You just want and demand, but do not/will not reciprocate. > > you were the one who made demands > you have the memory of a goldfish Case in point, again, regarding my exes (good riddance) and the mind-games they played for their own advantage. I offered a fresh start, on condition you dont repeat your crap, and my agreement to do the same. But you dont/cant see it that way. ---
**Author:** ![JC\_Mieyli](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jc_mieyli/32/242789_2.png) [@JC\_Mieyli](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/JC_Mieyli)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2018, 1:31pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-it-all-about-pvp/104920/204 "2018-09-10T13:31:10Z")
because youve already had a chance to make your point and all youve done is troll me so yeah im done with this ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2018, 1:31pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-it-all-about-pvp/104920/205 "2018-09-10T13:31:43Z")
> [@JC\_Mieyli](#): > > so yeah im done with this Bye. Good riddance. Im not falling for disingenous mind-games again. * * * PvE and PvP are distinct in EVE. They are not the same. But EVE ruleset/mechanics allows PvP to penetrate into PvE. Ruleset/mechanics aside, what makes that PvP, is the action of another player, not the environment. Mining a rock on your lonesome, leaving EVE, or any other action that does not involve another player are not PvP. ---
**Author:** ![JC\_Mieyli](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jc_mieyli/32/242789_2.png) [@JC\_Mieyli](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/JC_Mieyli)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2018, 1:42pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-it-all-about-pvp/104920/206 "2018-09-10T13:42:44Z")
> [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > Bye. > Good riddance. this was your original post you then added > [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > Im not falling for disingenous mind-games again. what is the purpose of adding this line the previous 2 lines were sufficient yet you went back and edited you post to add this trying to push buttons to get a reply needy for attention > [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > PvE and PvP are distinct in EVE. > They are not the same. i never said they were that was pollard girl > [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > Mining a rock on your lonesome, leaving EVE, or any other action that does not involve another player are not PvP so you are saying if they affect other players then they are pvp now try to understand how those actions and similar actions can affect other players ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2018, 1:46pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-it-all-about-pvp/104920/207 "2018-09-10T13:46:11Z")
> [@JC\_Mieyli](#): > > now try to understand how those actions and similar actions can affect other players Mining a rock all alone is not PvP. Its PvE. You mining that rock alone does not affect other players anymore than me picking up a grain of sand on a beach effects other people. PvP only comes into it if/when you try to sell that ore, someone tries to mine it while you do, or its derivative products or lose something you built out of them to PvP. ---
**Author:** ![JC\_Mieyli](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jc_mieyli/32/242789_2.png) [@JC\_Mieyli](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/JC_Mieyli)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2018, 2:10pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-it-all-about-pvp/104920/208 "2018-09-10T14:10:55Z")
> [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > Mining a rock all alone is not PvP. so clearing an entire system of rocks is not pvp but when other players can no longer mine in that system because you have cleared it then they would have to find rocks somewhere else huh so your actions have affected other players ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2018, 2:12pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-it-all-about-pvp/104920/209 "2018-09-10T14:12:33Z")
JC… Lets say you are completely alone in an asteroid belt, mining a space rock. There is no other player there competing with you for that rock. How is that PvP, rather than PvE? How is it Player vs Player, when there is no other Player there competing with you for it? PS: These resources are not finite. They respawn everyday. Its like if I take a bucketful of sand off a beach, the next day, the sand I took will be replaced magically with new sand. Even if I take ALL the sand off the beach, tomorrow, new sand will again appear to make that beach. Hell, with Ice Fields, it only takes 4hrs to appear again. ---
**Author:** ![JC\_Mieyli](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jc_mieyli/32/242789_2.png) [@JC\_Mieyli](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/JC_Mieyli)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2018, 2:25pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-it-all-about-pvp/104920/210 "2018-09-10T14:25:16Z")
because its a denial of resources even though its very small scale you are preventing other players from securing those resources for themselves if the game had larger population and there was a shortage of rocks then it would become more noticable > [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > PS: These resources are not finite. They respawn everyday. a players time is finite and there are only so many resources they can secure in a day if they have to travel further to find a place to mine then you have limited the amount they can mine that day its nothing like the sand thing though sand doesnt respawn from thin air ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2018, 2:31pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-it-all-about-pvp/104920/211 "2018-09-10T14:31:59Z")
> [@JC\_Mieyli](#): > > because its a denial of resources Nobody owns/owned those resources. They are in the environment for first come, first served. Harvesting them is not PvP, its PvE. PvP only occurs when another player contests/competes with you for them. This isnt rocket science, JC, its very simple. ---
**Author:** ![Rivr\_Luzade](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/rivr_luzade/32/311061_2.png) [@Rivr\_Luzade](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Rivr_Luzade)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2018, 2:33pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-it-all-about-pvp/104920/212 "2018-09-10T14:33:45Z")
> [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > Harvesting them is not PvP, its PvE. > > PvP only occurs when another player contests/competes with you for them. Harvesting is a form of PVP as well because the resources are gone once you harvested them, which means someone who comes after you cannot harvest them and therefor you beat them in a PVP match. The contest does not need to be immediate. ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2018, 2:35pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-it-all-about-pvp/104920/213 "2018-09-10T14:35:25Z")
Im on a hilltop here, alone. If I pick up 10 pebbles, put them in my pocket, and take them home, was that PvP? ---
**Author:** ![Rivr\_Luzade](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/rivr_luzade/32/311061_2.png) [@Rivr\_Luzade](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Rivr_Luzade)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2018, 2:36pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-it-all-about-pvp/104920/214 "2018-09-10T14:36:45Z")
Yes. Someone else will come along later who needs pebbles for their thing as well. You denied them the pebbles which means they lost the race for the pebbles and you won this PVP match. Whether you are along at a specific moment is irrelevant as long as pebble are needed for something. And Pebble are always needed for something. ---
**Author:** ![JC\_Mieyli](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jc_mieyli/32/242789_2.png) [@JC\_Mieyli](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/JC_Mieyli)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2018, 2:37pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-it-all-about-pvp/104920/215 "2018-09-10T14:37:39Z")
> [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > They are in the environment for first come, first served. sure and first come wins just like in all first come first serve situations > [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > its PvE. youre gonna have to find a source ive never seen any definition of pve that includes harvesting resources from an ingame environment well unless it is harvested from an enemy while fighting it i guess like maybe there is a monster you have to pry materials from while fighting it i guess that would be pve ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2018, 2:38pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-it-all-about-pvp/104920/216 "2018-09-10T14:38:02Z")
Im still on this hilltop, and Im respiring at the rate of about 30 breaths per minute, consuming oxygen and emitting carbon dioxide in part. Is that PvP? ---
**Author:** ![Rivr\_Luzade](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/rivr_luzade/32/311061_2.png) [@Rivr\_Luzade](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Rivr_Luzade)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2018, 2:39pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-it-all-about-pvp/104920/217 "2018-09-10T14:39:21Z")
Yes. You take away oxygen in this immediate area and contaminate the immediate area with carbondioxide. Someone else could suffocate because of you, especially in the thin air. You won the race for the oxygen. Plus, depending on the height, you gave a plant in your immediate area an advantage over another plant further away by giving that plant ore CO2 than the other plant, which means the first plant grow better. You even influenced Plants versus Plants here with your Player vs Player action. ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2018, 2:39pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-it-all-about-pvp/104920/218 "2018-09-10T14:39:45Z")
So what is PvE then? ---
**Author:** ![JC\_Mieyli](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jc_mieyli/32/242789_2.png) [@JC\_Mieyli](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/JC_Mieyli)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2018, 2:40pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-it-all-about-pvp/104920/219 "2018-09-10T14:40:56Z")
competing against an ai controlled npc ---
**Author:** ![Rivr\_Luzade](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/rivr_luzade/32/311061_2.png) [@Rivr\_Luzade](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Rivr_Luzade)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2018, 2:41pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-it-all-about-pvp/104920/220 "2018-09-10T14:41:20Z")
You interacting with an NPC or the environment in a way that other players do not need to compete for against you. For instance: The interior space of Abyssal space is PVE. No one can compete with you over it. As soon as you leave it, though that activity becomes PVP. Anomalies, DED signatures, or even missions, on the other hand, are not really PVE and a lot more PVP because you occupy an anomaly from a limited number of anomalies, you occupy a DED signature from a limited number of signatures, and you run a mission with items that can be stolen from you to deny you mission success. ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2018, 2:44pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-it-all-about-pvp/104920/221 "2018-09-10T14:44:21Z")
> [@Rivr\_Luzade](#): > > You interacting with an NPC or the environment in a way that other players do not need to compete for against you. When I mine a rock in EVE, or mine a rock IRL, is that not then PvE? [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-it-all-about-pvp/104920.md?page=10) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-it-all-about-pvp/104920.md?page=12)