# Is it all about pvp? **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [September 8, 2018, 6:13pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-it-all-about-pvp/104920 "2018-09-08T18:13:59Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2018, 11:02am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-it-all-about-pvp/104920/101 "2018-09-09T11:02:35Z")
Im sitting on a park bench right now. Is this act PvP? Im rolling a cigarette out of paper, filter and tobacco that I bought and own. Is this act PvP? ---
**Author:** ![JC\_Mieyli](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jc_mieyli/32/242789_2.png) [@JC\_Mieyli](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/JC_Mieyli)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2018, 11:04am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-it-all-about-pvp/104920/102 "2018-09-09T11:04:09Z")
could be considered to be in some ways denying a seat for other people offending people with your presence putting them in a bad mood all pvp if pvp was a thing irl ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2018, 11:05am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-it-all-about-pvp/104920/103 "2018-09-09T11:05:32Z")
Im not denying the entirety of humanity now, and future, this seat. In about 30mins, I will get up and leave. Is it PvP that my body exists and occupies a space in the universe? ---
**Author:** ![JC\_Mieyli](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jc_mieyli/32/242789_2.png) [@JC\_Mieyli](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/JC_Mieyli)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2018, 11:06am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-it-all-about-pvp/104920/104 "2018-09-09T11:06:31Z")
> [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > Is it PvP that my body exists and occupies a space in the universe? for as long as other living beings exist in the universe then yeah absolutely ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2018, 11:07am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-it-all-about-pvp/104920/105 "2018-09-09T11:07:01Z")
Amazing… You actually think like this? ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2018, 11:07am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-it-all-about-pvp/104920/106 "2018-09-09T11:07:44Z")
> [@JC\_Mieyli](#): > > for as long as other living beings exist in the universe then yeah absolutely Does a stone occupying a spot instead of another stone constitute PvP? What is PvE then? ---
**Author:** ![JC\_Mieyli](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jc_mieyli/32/242789_2.png) [@JC\_Mieyli](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/JC_Mieyli)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2018, 11:08am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-it-all-about-pvp/104920/107 "2018-09-09T11:08:10Z")
you dont shows how far modern man is removed from the reality of nature [quote=“Salvos\_Rhoska, post:106, topic:104920”] Does a stone occupying a spot instead of another stone constitute PvP? [/quote]no stones arent people ---
**Author:** ![JC\_Mieyli](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jc_mieyli/32/242789_2.png) [@JC\_Mieyli](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/JC_Mieyli)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2018, 11:08am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-it-all-about-pvp/104920/108 "2018-09-09T11:08:35Z")
> [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > So what is PvE then? competing against ai controlled enemies or npcs ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2018, 11:09am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-it-all-about-pvp/104920/109 "2018-09-09T11:09:41Z")
> [@JC\_Mieyli](#): > > > [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > > > So what is PvE then? > > competing against ai controlled enemies or npcs Is PvE “the same” as PvP as was claimed above by another poster? ---
**Author:** ![JC\_Mieyli](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jc_mieyli/32/242789_2.png) [@JC\_Mieyli](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/JC_Mieyli)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2018, 11:10am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-it-all-about-pvp/104920/110 "2018-09-09T11:10:24Z")
theyre not the same but they can be both things at the same time ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2018, 11:11am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-it-all-about-pvp/104920/111 "2018-09-09T11:11:30Z")
I just picked up a dry leaf, and crushed it to dust in my fist. Was that PvP? I just moved a cigarette butt over by 2cm. Was that PvP? ---
**Author:** ![JC\_Mieyli](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jc_mieyli/32/242789_2.png) [@JC\_Mieyli](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/JC_Mieyli)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2018, 11:13am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-it-all-about-pvp/104920/112 "2018-09-09T11:13:09Z")
> [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > I just picked up a dry leaf, and crushed it to dust in my fist. > > Was that PvP? maybe > [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > I just moved a cigarette butt over by 2cm. perhaps ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2018, 11:13am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-it-all-about-pvp/104920/113 "2018-09-09T11:13:23Z")
Yes or no. What is the conditional for “maybe/perhaps” being PvP? ---
**Author:** ![JC\_Mieyli](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jc_mieyli/32/242789_2.png) [@JC\_Mieyli](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/JC_Mieyli)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2018, 11:14am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-it-all-about-pvp/104920/114 "2018-09-09T11:14:35Z")
sorry its not that simple as yes or no you denied the catapillars the opportunity to eat the leaf by taking it by moving a cigarette butt 2cm maybe it was moved into someones eyeball while lit ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2018, 11:15am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-it-all-about-pvp/104920/115 "2018-09-09T11:15:46Z")
> [@JC\_Mieyli](#): > > you denied the catapillars the opportunity to eat the leaf by taking it Catepillars arent humans, per your previous condition. > [@JC\_Mieyli](#): > > by moving a cigarette butt 2cm maybe it was moved into someones eyeball while lit No, I just picked it up and dropped it 2cm away. Was that PvP? ---
**Author:** ![JC\_Mieyli](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jc_mieyli/32/242789_2.png) [@JC\_Mieyli](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/JC_Mieyli)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2018, 11:16am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-it-all-about-pvp/104920/116 "2018-09-09T11:16:31Z")
> [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > Catepillars arent humans, per your previous condition. theyre still lifeforms who have to compete in the natural order of things > [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > No, I just picked it up and dropped it 2cm away. > > Was that PvP? depends does your mom have to clean it up now ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2018, 11:17am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-it-all-about-pvp/104920/117 "2018-09-09T11:17:20Z")
> [@JC\_Mieyli](#): > > theyre still lifeforms who have to compete in the natural order of things > [@JC\_Mieyli](#): > > no stones arent people Are you amending the above? ---
**Author:** ![JC\_Mieyli](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jc_mieyli/32/242789_2.png) [@JC\_Mieyli](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/JC_Mieyli)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2018, 11:17am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-it-all-about-pvp/104920/118 "2018-09-09T11:17:45Z")
are you saying stones are lifeforms who have to compete in the natural order of things ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2018, 11:18am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-it-all-about-pvp/104920/119 "2018-09-09T11:18:46Z")
Isnt all land irl and all space in EvE owned by someone? ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2018, 11:19am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-it-all-about-pvp/104920/120 "2018-09-09T11:19:25Z")
You said a stone occupying a space is not PVP, as its not a person. How then does me moving a cigarette butt 2cm over to occupy another space constitute PvP, when its not a person? What if I move a caterpillar by 2cm? Is that PvP? What if I step on an ant, is that PvP? What if I rub my hands with disinfectant and kill millions of microbes, is that PvP? [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-it-all-about-pvp/104920.md?page=5) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/is-it-all-about-pvp/104920.md?page=7)